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作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-30 21:44 標題: 問一個問題，其實溫哥華，究竟仲有幾多香港人？

點解我會問，因為我覺得近年系街上，無論系Vancouver or Toronto，或者卡加利，甚至去到滿地可，嚴格d講，in Canada，都發覺有好多講普通話既人（唔系國語，我分辨得到）。

作者: low_B 時間: 2012-12-30 22:02

Mostly back to HK for good la....But....I'm 香港人

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-30 22:04

Mostly back to HK for good la....But....I'm 香港人
low_B 發表於 2012-12-30 22:02

我都想back to HK，但系你都睇到now成個環境lup lup 亂

作者: low_B 時間: 2012-12-30 22:09

So that's why I stay here lor....

作者: Quest 時間: 2012-12-30 22:20

Most of the HKer have already succeeded in blending into the local culture and environment, so you don't see them stand out in Vancouver area (occasionally yes, otherwise, not really).

there's only a small percentage of them moved back to HK since, but otherwise, most of them settled down nicely.

The reason why you hear mandarin speaking folks more is because (a) the surge of them as recent migrants stand out; (b) they haven't fully blend in into the society yet (thus they tend to stand out).

Q.

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-30 23:02

本帖最後由 hker 於 2012-12-30 23:03 編輯

回復 5# Quest

Well in some way thats good to hear that most of hkers still living in Canada.

Maybe i most of time need to travel to Montreal so evey time when i go to DT i hear Mandarin most - of course In MTL area the chinese are still minority.

I once considered to move back to HK but after several trips i found Hk today is not an ideal place to live by gathering different factors on whatever social or politic however, i'd rather stay in Canada for a while.

Anyway , nice to discuss with you guys here.

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-30 23:04

回復 4# low_B

You are a smart guy lor.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2012-12-31 01:28

there would be no more so-called hk culture some time after and the hk that we know will be eliminated and will be 同化.....

Thats what China government want

作者: librazhy 時間: 2012-12-31 06:49

in Canada，都發覺有好多講普通話既人（唔系國語，我分辨得到）。
hker 發表於 2012-12-30 21:44

請問普通話同國語是如何分辨的？

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 09:37

回復 9# librazhy

呢個問題好難回答你，就好似廣州粵語同香港粵語0既分別。

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 09:50

there would be no more so-called hk culture some time after and the hk that we know will be eliminat ...
chunsh 發表於 2012-12-31 01:28

I will never accept 同化, but i will respect ppl from other countries / regions. Pehaps HK ppl are 低調, i think to this point, 低調 is our advantage.

By reviewing immigrant policies these years, Vancouver area is no doubt one of the good places the mainlanders want to settle down - i was told by one of my friends in MONTREAL - due to bylaws of Education department in Quebec , ppl can benefit from studying language or college / university coures , so attracting many many mainlanders head to Montreal for the allowances and welfare - In Montreal you can see anytime many mainlanders who never work and never pay taxes but have been studying since they landed in Canada .

香港政府有問題我承認，依家發覺加拿大政府尤其魁北克政府都有問題我真系頂唔順。養晒d廢人抽幹晒做工D人D血。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2012-12-31 10:40

回復 11# hker

Holy... Watchful of your wordings, lucky our Pe...ter is not around that often these days...

作者: sheep 時間: 2012-12-31 10:54

回復 9# librazhy

國語係好好聽㗎
普通話係好捲俐嘅
好似含住粒襤講野
又快又黐俐根咁
唔好聽

作者: elan7e 時間: 2012-12-31 11:10

唔知對不對。
台灣人話自已講的是國語。(當他們不是講台語時)
大陸人稱自已講的是普通話。
廣州人稱自已講的是廣州話。
香港人話自已的是廣東話。

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-12-31 11:39

回復 librazhy

國語係好好聽㗎
普通話係好捲俐嘅
好似含住粒襤講野
又快又黐俐根咁
唔好聽 ...
sheep 發表於 2012-12-31 10:54

仲有, 大陸普通話唔單止超捲利, 仲講得超快, 我覺得除左似含住粒欖咁, 如過講得大聲, 就似講粗口, 講得細聲就好似鬼食泥咁添!
但台灣國語就真係好聽好多, 斯文好多順耳好多~

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 11:53

回復 13# sheep

正確。

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 11:55

回復 12# lo_pak

Hey ...dont scare me.. anyway lar .. freedom of speech is respected guar ...

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 12:02

回復 14# elan7e

其實基於台語（閩南）原因當台灣人講國語時就是有尾音軟化既出現所以好好聽。But 煲冬瓜（PUTONGHUA)諧音系lup lup 雜雜唔同地區地方人講而又要按照統一官話既方針從而大大出現音變或者音調錯位等情況，總之，我都唔自己講緊乜。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2012-12-31 12:02

回復 17# hker

It's just a friendly reminder...

Peter is somehow SPECIAL to LYK's whose tone is non pro-PRC governance...

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 12:05

回復 15# jiujiujiu

唔怕講句我只承認台灣國語或閩南話（ Taiwanese）。

作者: satil 時間: 2012-12-31 12:05

好簡單, 聽吓台灣新聞片, 啲國語清楚利落.

普通話就一啲都唔普通, 不單捲唎難聽, 仲因不同的地區性出現, 例如上海系, 四川系, 北京系.....等不同腔調.
我就試過三個大陸人, 都講普通話, 但大家唔明大家講乜.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2012-12-31 12:07

回復 21# satil

... Well said...!!!

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 12:08

回復 21# satil

最唔能忍受既系距地一直認為你必須要講PUTONGHUA(when i was in HK) , 痴線，點解我要講？

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 12:14

回復 19# lo_pak

Thanks for you reminding lar.. you know wht , we here each of us basically 素未謀面 lar, i mean, it is nomal that ppl have different point of views lar on different topics ... whatever lar, 最多俾sb challenge 我d Words lor, 但系，我唔認為sb challenged 完距會有咩得著咯... 唔通個pocket會多幾皮0野...???

Anyway lar, dude happy new year !!

作者: reyes 時間: 2012-12-31 12:20

好簡單, 聽吓台灣新聞片, 啲國語清楚利落.

普通話就一啲都唔普通, 不單捲唎難聽, 仲因不同的地區性出現, ...
satil 發表於 2012-12-31 12:05

你睇劇集都聽到, 台灣劇現場收音, 祖國劇要配音怕捲得太利害其他人聽唔到

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-12-31 16:09

回復 19# lo_pak

哈哈哈哈哈~ 雖然阿皮蛋哥哥好多時都好無point, 但最少佢唔算太人身攻擊吖~ 大家响度"討論"下, 笑下傾下咪算囉~ 係咪!

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2012-12-31 16:15

回復 20# hker

me too!
同埋最討厭就係, 唔知道點解D強人好鐘意迫人講普通話, 成日大大聲話我地唔應該講廣東話, 要講就要講普通話, 但呢度好似係加拿大, 乜唔係應該講英文架咩.... 一同佢地講英文, 就立刻謝晒皮.....
所以, 我一見到強人, 我一定講英文, 之但係同台灣人呢, 我就會講國語喇!

作者: ricrick 時間: 2012-12-31 18:05

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作者: ricrick 時間: 2012-12-31 18:07

回復 hker

me too!
同埋最討厭就係, 唔知道點解D強人好鐘意迫人講普通話, 成日大大聲話我地唔應該講 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-12-31 16:15

財大氣粗

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 19:29

回復 27# jiujiujiu

勁啊我都系。我好多時候會去滿地可，情況更加嚴重。最記得有一次系唐人街有個mainlander 突然拍一下我膊頭（ you know wht, i dont used to being 拍膊頭 by sb suddently）問我點樣去某地方。Ok 我忍距但助人為樂冇問題。so我用法文回答距 - 條仆街居然用PUTONGHUA 鬧我原文系咁：

Mainlander ：我操你媽個B 你不會說普通話嗎你不是中國人嗎
ME : 我吊你老母臭西我系香港人我點解要講普通話呢度系滿地可講法文噶懵炳
Mainlander：法你媽個B
Me ：中指加一句Vas-t'en caliss （ go **** youself），如果你再咁冇禮貌我即刻打911，吊你老母
Mainlander：俾距朋友勸開 yi yi 娥娥
... ...

總之，我真系好唔習慣咁冇禮貌，加拿大政府系唔系要檢討一下移民政策。

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 19:47

回復 29# ricrick

部分事實系但系冇錢果d好多都有呢個情況祗可以講我out咗

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2012-12-31 22:07

回復 hker

me too!
同埋最討厭就係, 唔知道點解D強人好鐘意迫人講普通話, 成日大大聲話我地唔應該講 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2012-12-31 16:15

如果有強國人走過黎無禮貌咁同我講野，唔識普通話既我係嘗試都唔會嘗試用廣東話同佢溝通
我一定會直接講英文，因為依度係加拿大

作者: hker 時間: 2012-12-31 22:53

回復 32# 嘉嘉

Make sense.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2013-1-1 00:09

我文化上是中國人，因我寫講中文，但要我承認共產黨一黨專政下的中國才是中國人，那我不是中國人
因為我同中國大陸確實一點兒關係都沒有，寫的說的中文都不一樣

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-1 00:14

真系要揀，咁我寧願承認中華民國。

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-1 01:59

回復 35# hker

我地係華人, 絕對唔算中國人, 因為我地根本就唔係中國大陸出世, 亦無中國護照, 就算有香港身分證, 香港特區護照, 但上親大陸都要拿回鄉證回鄉卡, 由頭到尾人家都無當過你係自己國民自己人! 人地從來都係當你係二奶仔! 有咩山高水低天災人禍死人塌樓就叫D港澳同胞海外同胞幫手捐錢, 但有咩要認叻攞威bark個人上太空個陣就提都唔提我地呢D港澳同胞海外同胞點樣幫過佢地! 係D所謂愛國人士爭住認咋嘛~ 憑咩可以話自己係中國人! 你估中國人咁容易做架! 要做加拿大人都要坐幾年移民監啦!
況且, 我從來都唔覺得大陸同台灣唔係兩個國家! 唔同嘅法律, 國家體制, 貨幣, 諸如此類, 咁唔叫兩個國家叫咩? 一樣講同一個語言? 我就當你係, 不過, 我都係覺得國語同普通話係2樣野, 咁英國,美國, 加拿大, 澳洲, 紐西蘭咪都算同一個國家?! 咪天真啦D人!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2013-1-1 02:05

我同意rickrick 的說法，我認為自己是中國人，不等同於大睦內地人。

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2013-1-1 02:16

回復 hker

我地係華人, 絕對唔算中國人, 因為我地根本就唔係中國大陸出世, 亦無中國護照, 就算有香港身 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-1 01:59

我都係咁話，我只會認係華人，香港人，加拿大人

大陸死人lum樓時就叫香港人捐錢
自己就儲埋o的錢走去放煙花，上太空

作者: chunsh 時間: 2013-1-1 05:53

捐幾多都落唔到o的真係有需要既人手中啦﹐都唔夠o的貪官去叫雞﹐賭&抄樓

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-1 10:20

本帖最後由 hker 於 2013-1-1 10:22 編輯

回復 36# jiujiujiu

完全同意。
香港雖然系一個地區但系法制人文教育以及金融都有自己幾十年來既積累，我唔鍾意所謂當代中國想慢慢共產咗我地既成果。

呢度提醒一下各位，可能有d LYK 冇申請過BNO，我仲有renew我本BNO （我從來冇申請特區護照-其實呢本0野唔系護照）如果老友記裡面已經有朋友申請過BNO 有時間0既話記得要去renew。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2013-1-1 11:33

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2013-1-1 11:35 編輯

回復 28# ricrick

唔錯唔錯，抵俾一個"like"……

作者: ricrick 時間: 2013-1-2 11:28

香港人e+噪噪弊，沒有想要什麼更多的，只是想要保護自己本身以經有的，不受侵蝕罷了。中國大陸的劣質文化，貪腐，品德價值，不斷想將香港同化。不知英國佬留下的老本，還可以食幾耐。

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2013-1-2 14:32

Ha? I dont understand ..

what is the diff for 普通話 vs 國語 ??

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-2 19:37

回復 43# Catpiano

You can check the previous replies from other LYKs, or i simply explain that like, the French of France and the French of Quebec (Quebecois), you would get it.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2013-1-3 08:45

Um ... I didn't read the detail la..

I know French in France in Canada is a bit diff .. but they are French .. same as English in Canada, vs in UK, Aus, Singapore HK etc .. are diff ..

I think you mean China 普通話/國語 vs Malay 普通話/國語 vs TW 普通話/國語 etc?

My wife is 普通話/國語 person too ..

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-3 10:00

回復 45# Catpiano

Listen carefully when you watch Taiwanese tv shows or programs.

Both 國語and 普通話 are Chinese language for sure, only the term on " Chinese " would have different definition.

Hope this could help you dude.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2013-1-3 10:29

He He .. sorry .. I still don't get it ..

Even I asked my wife .. she said I am "chi seen" .. said 國語and 普通話 is same .. and that is her first lang .. (She is from Malaysia) I know there are many chinese ...

Anyway, I guess yous point is .. more new immigrant from mainland china now then from HK .. which make sense. ^_^

Even in HK .. when you go TST ... you hear more mainland mandarin then any other lang ..

But if you hang out in MK at 3/4 am .. PURE cantonese .. and HK style cantonese! YEAH!!

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-3 11:03

本帖最後由 hker 於 2013-1-3 11:09 編輯

回復 47# Catpiano

I accept different point of views lar , tho i am still up on the point which 國語and普通話are different.

I speak Cantonese, Putonghua and Taiwan 國語 also 閩南（Taiwanese) , i think i know more details about that. ( all i can speak like native ).

  The point to this post is not for a research of languages so it doesnt make sense on this topic.

  Of course if you really interested in , i strongly recommend tht you can watch 台視新聞（台灣）and 新聞聯播（大陸）, because they all speak in a standard way so you could more easier to get the difference.

  Just wanna insert one point, you mentioned yo wife speaks 國語 of Malay, i can tell you its 國語 is different too becoz of big influenced by 閩南語, which closed to taiwan 國語， acually these 國語 exist some different ways to speak and most importantly is the accent.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2013-1-3 11:38

He He .. sorry .. I still don't get it ..

Even I asked my wife .. she said I am "chi seen" .. said ...
Catpiano 發表於 2013-1-3 10:29

are those all 古惑仔 style?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2013-1-3 11:43

回復 45# Catpiano

I think Hker refers to Taiwanese style of Mandarin as 國語.

普通話 is a term created by Communist Govt and hence refer to the Mandarin spoken by Mainland Chinese people...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2013-1-3 11:44

Gangnam style ...

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-3 11:55

回復 50# fibbi

A+

作者: peter236 時間: 2013-1-3 18:18

唔知對不對。
台灣人話自已講的是國語。(當他們不是講台語時)
大陸人稱自已講的是普通話。
廣州人稱自已講 ...
elan7e 發表於 2012-12-31 11:10

台語 is just 閩南話 from China's Fujian province region.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-3 20:19

回復 53# peter236

Not only fujian, we generally call it hoklou,the family including haifeng and shanwei.

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2013-1-4 07:19

want to come back if possible

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-4 17:19

want to come back if possible
tiffiant 發表於 2013-1-4 07:19

HK真係咁唔好撈?

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-4 18:22

回復 56# reyes

yes , as if you were living in the mainland.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-4 23:21

回復 58# peter236

ju chu ji ge li zi shuo ming yi xia.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2013-1-4 23:55

It does seem rather weird to me, that a lot of mainlanders does seem to dislike learning English. Then why did so many of them come here in the first place? So puzzling. This seem to be quite different from the attitude of HK/TW immigrants back then, even if they were rich. Most of them do seem to genuinely at the very least want to learn English. Some even enjoys a more mainstream lifestyle.

On the flip side, there indeed is an exodus of ex-Canadian Hongers that have moved back to Hong Kong. I personally went back to HK for vacation for 3 weeks and find the experience suffocating. For 5 days I sneaked to Japan for some fresh air, and by the end of the entire Asian trip I was very relieved of being back home (Vancouver). Most of the friends I know in HK actually makes less and lives a much inferior lifestyle in HK than here (squeezing between busses and MTRs when they could be driving a bimmer here).

I am just dumb founded and simply cannot understand why many of them chose to go back to HK and be 2nd tier citizen (no right to vote), when I can enjoy all that Canada has to offer. The air, the skiing, the golfing, the driving, the tracking, etc etc. Canadian on average also has a higher income and has better spending power in general than HKers. Theoretically speaking, one does not only has the right to vote as a Chinese Canadian citizen, but can even run for various roles in the government if one wishes thru a completely democratic process. Not something as straightforward in HK. I simply fail to see why so many people chooses to go back, and is sad because with the dilution, most all the Chinese Canadians left now are of relatively new mainland immigrants these days.... Canadian Honger circles is left to be relatively much more sparring and few...

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-5 00:08

回復 58# peter236

i only agree HK has low income tax rate and no GST. other than that, i dont see any advantages except HK is still a shopping centre

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-5 00:14

回復 60# BiscottiGelato

學唔學英文都幾睇佢地係邊到黎, 窮D既地方黎佢地學英文學得好快. 富二代/有錢黎個D當然當普通話係呢到第一語言

人工黎講, 係加國升到咁上下一定多過香港, 只係稅個到減左好多. 不過到老個時有好多福利.

個人覺得係到有個唔好就係呢到好難識到朋友. D人放工就返家, 冇夜生活

作者: peter236 時間: 2013-1-5 00:31

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2013-1-5 00:39 編輯

It does seem rather weird to me, that a lot of mainlanders does seem to dislike learning English. Th ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2013-1-4 23:55

There is nothing wrong with "squeezing between buses and MTRs". Many large cities like New York and London are like that. Public transit is more environmentally friendly.
I am surprised that your few days in Japan were pleasant, when the air is polluted with radioactive material and in Tokyo the subway is just as crowded. Some of my Hong Kong friends would rather take their vacation in mainland China where the beautiful countryside is much wider, and accessible with extensive highway systems and shiny new golf course.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-5 12:38

回復 63# peter236

Ni Dong ge ji ba.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-5 12:41

回復 60# BiscottiGelato

Totally agree.

Simply say, 就系

1/ 目前未完全解決好HK問題，美加從長遠來講始終系可以生活既地方。

2/ 對於土生土長移民出來幾香港人，心裡面始終對香港有一份感情，正正系咁，先會有相關既討論。

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-5 12:47

回復 63# peter236

Do you knwo wht does beicui mean? if positive, then go on dude.

Accessible with extensive highway syst, 不要雞巴說瞎話哥們，他媽的去年十一全線崩潰，你丫別那麼悲催了。

Golf 我就不參合和，走一趟海豐你知道我說什麼。

作者: randommike 時間: 2013-1-5 13:35

I'd say we wait another 10-20 years. Then all those HKers who moved back to HK will come back.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-5 13:41

回復 67# randommike

its happening/

作者: satil 時間: 2013-1-5 16:37

回復 randommike

its happening/
hker 發表於 2013-1-5 13:41

同意,
我有幾個'回流'老友, 又一次'回回流',
正在為年尾, 子女學校, 住所等在溫哥華作準備,
全家人再一次離開香港.
想信未來幾年, 香港一路變差, 會有更多人回流溫哥華.

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-5 16:40

回復 peter236

i only agree HK has low income tax rate and no GST. other than that, i dont se ...
reyes 發表於 2013-1-5 00:08

actually, 香港D真係一D都唔係平, 我地覺得抵, 只係因為個exchange rate 同埋香港無GST咋嘛....
好多人都話香港D野食平過呢度好食過呢度, 但.... 樣樣野都made in china, 仲有, 好明顯, 平野無好啦! 四圍都用地溝油, 一分錢一分貨, 好公平! 仲有, 香港D碟頭咁細, 平時晚飯D碟頭同呢度D打冷差唔多大小, 除非要食白飯食飽啦, 如果唔係, 要食飽都要叫多一兩碟, 咁咪一樣貴番...

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-5 16:48

同意,
我有幾個'回流'老友, 又一次'回回流',
正在為年尾, 子女學校, 住所等在溫哥華作準備,
全家人再 ...
satil 發表於 2013-1-5 16:37

絕對同意!
老實講, 一早就知道香港唔會好架啦! 俾大陸收番啵, 點可能會好?! 如過好, 我地就唔會响呢度坐得舒舒服服咁隔岸觀火啦!

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-5 17:03

同意,
我有幾個'回流'老友, 又一次'回回流',
正在為年尾, 子女學校, 住所等在溫哥華作準備,
全家人再 ...
satil 發表於 2013-1-5 16:37

而家好多人都為左仔女學業都返返黎, 就係唔想上洗腦教學

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-5 17:10

actually, 香港D真係一D都唔係平, 我地覺得抵, 只係因為個exchange rate 同埋香港無GST咋嘛....
好多人都 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-5 16:40

我只係話香港仲係購物好地方冇話平, 而家就算北上都幾貴下. 人仔關係而家好多野都唔係MIC但我覺得made in china D衫係好過made in elsewhere.
食野我覺得反而呢到好過香港喎, 早排返去真係冇咩好食.

作者: hker 時間: 2013-1-5 17:25

回復 70# jiujiujiu

香港已經系大陸，no more HK。祗系有良知果班會出聲，其實我0地都希望香港好。15年了，仲有35年/

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-5 17:34

回復 72# reyes

弊~ 我下個月要返HK探我婆婆.... 點算~ 老實講, 我真係擔心香港D野食架! 唔係因為我為食, 而係因為我腸胃好sensitive, 好容易上吐下瀉, 點算~~~ 我有次返去, 落機後食左碗魚蛋粉, 咁就瀨野! 瀉足3日! 所以, 我E家真係開始擔心.... 但老人家, 探一次少一次架嘛..... 點都要返去探佢架啦~

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2013-1-5 19:29

回復 reyes

弊~ 我下個月要返HK探我婆婆.... 點算~ 老實講, 我真係擔心香港D野食架! 唔係因為我為食, ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-5 05:34 PM

it's not too late to get some medication from your doctor. (similar to those you take when you travel to less developed places) But I think I may need it for HK at my next trip...

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-5 19:38

回復 reyes

弊~ 我下個月要返HK探我婆婆.... 點算~ 老實講, 我真係擔心香港D野食架! 唔係因為我為食, ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-5 17:34

買左機票, 要避都冇得避

:
凍D天氣應該唔會有咁多菌呱....

作者: Quest 時間: 2013-1-5 21:13

1st thing you should do is to get the hepatitis A and B vaccine called Twinrix.

It's avail from local pharmacy and you must get it and bring it along to your family physician to inject.

I'd rather get all these injections done before the trip...knowing full well that Hep-B is a common infection from HK, mainland and various Asian countries.

Q.

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-5 23:52

回復 76# reyes

我次次都係過完農曆年即刻返架啦~ 我又唔覺得香港有幾凍呀~ 我地由氣溫幾度嘅去到氣溫十幾度嘅地方, 仲要係十到尾個隻, 真係唔會凍得去邊.... 我次次著夏天衫加件薄EE嘅外套都俾我個friend 話我痴線! 我咪話過佢知, 我响得幾度嘅地方嚟架, 十幾度算得D咩吖~

不過, 如過D地方同食物都污早糟, 冬天夏天都一樣死啦! 我地食慣溫哥華D野, 呢度D野食比起香港真係污糟極有限啦!

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-5 23:56

回復 77# Quest

我次次都帶定1 pack advil liquid gel, 1 pack gravol, 1 pack imodium, 1 pack zyrtec(敏感藥), 1 pack liquid gel buckleys / alka seltzer cold & flu 同埋一支哮喘藥返去架! 有備無患吖嘛!

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-6 01:35

回復 reyes

我次次都係過完農曆年即刻返架啦~ 我又唔覺得香港有幾凍呀~ 我地由氣溫幾度嘅去到氣溫十幾 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-5 23:52

只係唔知點解係香港個D人成日都話香港凍過呢到. 我又懶得同佢地aru

要出事既點注意都冇架啦, 帶多D錢去睇醫生啦

作者: randommike 時間: 2013-1-6 10:05

回復 80# reyes

Probably because HK doesn't have indoor heating so it is cold all the time. Here, we have indoor heating so it helps a lot.

Also, HK is more humid than Vancouver, which makes it 'feel' more cold. Wet cold is worse than dry cold.

作者: jiujiujiu 時間: 2013-1-6 16:31

回復 80# reyes

佢地十幾度都著到誇張過我地零下咁, 我都唔明架, 不過, 是但啦! 唔正常又唔係我...

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-6 17:16

回復 reyes

Probably because HK doesn't have indoor heating so it is cold all the time. Here, ...
randommike 發表於 2013-1-6 10:05

呢個講法好多人都係咁講, 仲有啦, 香港屋都係石屎, 唔快凍D

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-6 17:21

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佢地十幾度都著到誇張過我地零下咁, 我都唔明架, 不過, 是但啦! 唔正常又唔係我... ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-6 16:31

我係到幾度著件"車軑"都俾人望, 香港包到成隻種反而正常

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2013-1-7 17:33

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學唔學英文都幾睇佢地係邊到黎, 窮D既地方黎佢地學英文學得好快. 富二代/有錢黎個 ...
reyes 發表於 2013-1-5 00:14

I actually think Canadian starting point is much higher than HK. If you happen to become a big gun in HK, along with the tax difference, you probably make more in HK. That said, the odd of someone making it super big in HK is low. Someone making an odd 6 figure or 2 here is much higher.

Totally agree with the night life comment, especially if you are sticking to the Asian scene. Out of the University crowd, it's completely non-existent. Maybe need some help from Big C Sister on this one.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2013-1-7 17:35

actually, 香港D真係一D都唔係平, 我地覺得抵, 只係因為個exchange rate 同埋香港無GST咋嘛....
好多人都 ...
jiujiujiu 發表於 2013-1-5 16:40

Extremely cheap stuff is cheaper in HK. Once you get something of moderate quality, the value goes down very quickly. If you go high-end of anything in HK, it quickly costs an arm and a leg. One can enjoy mid/high-end living in North America in a much more affordable fashion than one can in HK. This applies to eateries, shopping and accomodations. Especially true if you are spending CAD in the US.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2013-1-7 17:38

我係到幾度著件"車軑"都俾人望, 香港包到成隻種反而正常
reyes 發表於 2013-1-6 17:21

A typical HKer doesn't understand, or have forgotten, what cold really feels like, that's why.

It is true that HK doesn't have much heating. But 11 degrees C does not constitute a cold weather warning. We have some homeless weed smokers out in our DT streets surviving thru sub-zero temperatures. Some are probably too stoned to get their asses into a shelter~

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-7 17:58

I actually think Canadian starting point is much higher than HK. If you happen to become a big gun ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2013-1-7 17:33

呢到最低工資都多過香港啦. 我指如果同一個職位(唔係大粒個D), 係到既人工會比香港高, 當然D人只係睇稅後既人工

BIG C SISTER 係高消費玩家, 我怕跟唔到

作者: Nox 時間: 2013-1-22 02:26

分享少少嘢

番嚟香港4年幾，坦白講，我認同上面好多人所講，香港變咗做一個唔適合我哋住慣加拿大嘅人嘅城市
無論係社會氣氛，對人對事嘅標準，好多嘅嘢響度轉變緊，衝突緊
原因係咩，我諗唔需要我再多講

唔講社會，講貼身d
住屋價格自08年開始發咗癲
如果無屋企響香港的話，你預計最少成8000蚊租屋先可以避免到住板間房嘅命運
一餐中午，由08年嘅30蚊左右（港島），而家升到40甚至50蚊
過去一個30蚊有交易嘅大家樂，而家都要40

至於人工，可能我唔夠某d人勁啦，但大部分我認識番嚟香港工作嘅朋友
過去4年加薪絕對唔會多過3000蚊
一般剛畢業回流嘅人，就算英文好，最多都係12000-14000入職
（本地嘅可能一萬都無！）
一個manager大概18000-22000
香港嘅中小企肯俾嘅人工好難突破三萬左右關口
但工時方面中小企係奉行 “一星期番5日半，其餘日半就standby” 嘅制度
HR係會按上班時間mark鐘，但OT就無補水
你OT到凌晨三點的話，恭喜你，去廁所洗個面好準備繼續返工
否則HR話你遲到無到，OT埋都唔夠俾佢扣錢

作者: Nox 時間: 2013-1-22 02:31

由於咁嘅情況太過普遍
大部分打工仔都會係：“度度都係咁架啦，做啦～” 嘅態度

至於做老闆，同樣困難
客戶挑剔，依然用緊SARS時候嘅價錢壓你
共渡時艱之後寵壞咗嘅客已經將當年一時嘅遷就當係老奉
好多行業都因為當時做壞手勢而家回唔到頭
對外，港元越嚟越唔值錢
過分依賴大陸，樣樣嘢都要因為大陸而讓路
做老闆唔等於你可以好似以前d大班咁風光

作者: Nox 時間: 2013-1-22 02:34

下次再分享點解咁難過都依然會走呢條路

作者: peter236 時間: 2013-1-22 05:19

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2013-1-22 05:23 編輯

Due to the high living standards in Hong Kong, I do know some people who decided to move to mainland China, where even in the major cities, the shopping streets are less crowded and apartments are more spacious. Dining out is also more affordable.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2013-1-22 10:41

呢到最低工資都多過香港啦. 我指如果同一個職位(唔係大粒個D), 係到既人工會比香港高, 當然D人只係睇稅 ...
reyes 發表於 2013-1-7 17:58

點解又燒到我嗰叠？

其實過去十幾年已經不停同香港班親戚解釋加拿大嘅人工係唔可以直接同香港人工相比。一，税收唔同，二，福利唔同，三，生活水平唔同。

我唔好攞我啲朋友圈子做example，有錢住邊都得啦。用個typical example，同一份文員工，香港可能搵萬３HKD，呢度可能有２萬５HKD，除税後都有萬８HKD。看似呢度人工點都高３０－４０％，但係生活水平呢？

Nox都話香港要８千先租到樓住，我當齊頭１萬，難度呢度你租個apartment (Vancouver/ Burnaby/ Richmond嚟計），唔洗千幾蚊加幣？

香港搭車貴，呢度你買個２ zone月票都１千蚊港紙㗎。香港通貨膨脹，食個lunch要５０蚊，你覺得＄６－７蚊加紙除咗McD之外（都好勉強），食到啲咩？

日常生活用品更加唔洗講，香港超市再貴都唔貴得過呢度。香港買支牙膏都平一半啦。

所以條數我就唔識計啦，我覺得呢度某程度上係舒服啲，但係一個低層打工仔嘅人工係咪好見洗我就唔夠膽講。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2013-1-22 12:16

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2013-1-22 12:17 編輯

回復 93# 大C姐

Just one comment, for 日常生活用品, it's in general more expensive in HONG KONG.
You can't believe how much Park&Shop or Wellcome charges and how often they jack up the price.

I used to bring tooth paste, rinse water, shampoo back to hong Kong when I visit...

For foodcourt, it's ok to have lunch with $6-$7...don't have to have McDonald.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2013-1-22 12:34

都係嗰句，加拿大點都係餓你唔死飽你唔親。
平淡生活，呢邊點都贏哂。吸啖空氣都清新啲。
但係呢邊要發達就好難，香港俾到你發達嘅機會多啲。

作者: reyes 時間: 2013-1-22 13:50

回復 93# 大C姐

文員萬3個個都想, 而家入職得8-9千, 而到(呢我搵工個時)都有$14/h. 呢到減稅同cpp, 香港都要減你強積金

8千只租到OK 既地方, 呢到burnaby 一房唔洗一千啦, 租人地basement 都可以包乜包物

香港搭車過海都十幾蚊, 如果你住得遠, 返工放工都幾係野. $6-7 (好似fibbi姐講)可以係foodcourt 搞掂, 老麥貴又唔飽

牙膏...好多香港黎既人(my relatives)都買好多返去, 一直都話呢到平
can food 都買好多

低層打工仔邊個地方都唔夠洗, 最少呢到你低收入有政府養

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2013-1-22 14:10

下次再分享點解咁難過都依然會走呢條路
Nox 發表於 2013-1-22 02:34

Can't wait to see that.

I know 2 HK families, giving up everything they have, to move to Vancouver, not a easy thing to do. My guess is more will make the move, particularly for young families with little kids. I can somehow understand, as I can see HK will become just another city in China. Not that is bad for everyone, some people will have money up to their neck if they make the right move and know the right person. But that's not for everyone.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2013-1-22 14:44

回復大C姐

文員萬3個個都想, 而家入職得8-9千, 而到(呢我搵工個時)都有$14/h. 呢到減稅同cpp, 香港都要 ...
reyes 發表於 2013-1-22 13:50

唔好成日講入職啦，全香港人都係啱啱畢業打第一份工咩？我緊係講general啲，做咗數年嘢，轉咗兩三份工咁計。

我唔知你哋啦，我就覺得攞住＄６－７CAD真係唔多選擇，＄５０HKD喺香港我覺得有多啲嘢食囉。

家品嘢我覺得都係香港平啲喎，當然你唔係去PP嗰啲超市啦，但係點都平過呢度。同埋香港牙膏有幾貴呀？咪又係十幾蚊支！

http://www1.parknshop.com/WebSho ... 0&sp=4&sp=1

呢度減價都$2.99CAD，仲未計税。

當然我同意窮人呢邊多啲福利啦，唔係點會咁重税。

作者: Nox 時間: 2013-1-22 19:05

Can't wait to see that.

I know 2 HK families, giving up everything they have, to move to Vancou ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2013-1-22 14:10

Actually, I was telling many friends of mine to think of immigrating.  I told them for their health, for their future, for their children, it's much better to leave Hong Kong.  But for many people, they don't even look at that option.  They just blindly complain that it cost too much to immigrate, and they don't have the money to go somewhere else.  When I listed that there are other ways outside of 投資移民, they still brush the topic off.

Truth is, local Hongers are very narrow minded.  They are very short-sighted and cannot think out of the box.  The living condition is bad in HK, but they were born with the idea of "just make best use of the current condition" and never think of "move" as one of their option.  Frankly, most mid-level income family CAN afford to move to New Zealand, Taiwan, or other places.  But the local Hongers just give "reasons" that it's never pressing enough for them to go.

This is one of the biggest weakness I see in Hongers actually.  They never get the sense of danger, no sense of desperation, unlike those in Mainland China.  I actually give more respect to those Mainlanders who make use of every single means to immigrate to Canada.  At least they're thinking ahead.

Very sad to say, but from what I've seen in HK.  This city is really dying, and the people along with it.  Their narrow mindedness is what killed them.  Mainlanders will win in a few more generations, and Hongers will be at the bottom because they could never see far.

作者: randommike 時間: 2013-1-22 22:24

回復 99# Nox

I am curious about your experience as well. Why choose to stay in HK?

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