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作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-15 15:46 標題: Stiff clutch on a 2005 Camry SE

I'm looking at this used car and the clutch is SO stiff, almost like a racing clutch. I thought this would be a very abnormal condition for a family car like Camry (even SE). Other than that the clutch is working fine, no gear grind, no slip, nothing.

Any fellow LYK know anything about this car or common Toyota clutch problems?

Also another question...can a dealership (Regency) sell me a car with tempered odometer? cuz the car doesn't feel like it has such low km. What if I check the VIN in carproof and found that the odometer has be tempered?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-15 15:51

BTW, the car only has 46k km...I'd probably think it's still the stock clutch....

if not....

but it does have 4 new tires that are worn down to 70% already...previous owner probably drove it quite hard

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2008-9-15 17:21

Camry .. is RACING car for C9 in parking mall ..

SO .. it makes sense to me .. having a racing clutch ... lol

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2008-9-15 17:23

Ops...

But C 9 .. wont even know what the heck is "CLUTCH" wor ... LOL ..

May be it is a RICED camry? some C9 son CONVERT it to Auto .. and tell people it is his RACE car??

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-15 17:38

C9 car...I don't know...maybe...but I'm not a C9 lor...LOL

I really don't know how some crazy people would do to a car....maybe they installed a racing clutch in it..who knows??? There are riced Corollas out there...so there must be riced Camry too...LOL

back to the topic pls...I'm serious...looking for an answer...

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-9-15 20:26

clutch gets stiffer when there are more wear on it....

ask 5zigen to explain it.... i forgot exactly whats going on.... he just told me to check if the clutch is stiff when looking for a used car... thats signs that the clutch needs to replace...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-15 22:15

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-9-15 21:26 發表
clutch gets stiffer when there are more wear on it....

ask 5zigen to explain it.... i forgot exactly whats going on.... he just told me to check if the clutch is stiff when looking for a used car... ...

This is the first time that I heard of this...I thought the opposite is correct, that is as the clutch wears it should be slightly less stiff, unless a few pressure plate "fingers" are broken. If a clutch is worn, then it might chatter or slip.

作者: Derek128 時間: 2008-9-15 23:22

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作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-16 00:34

as brake wears down, brake will bite at a lower point, such like if there is air in the brake fluid system ~ so it's "softer" feel too....

as clutch wears down, clutch will bite at a HIGHER point, such like if there is air in the clutch fluid system ~ so it's "heavier" feel too...

now i dunno how many have driven a manual car, gone thru a set of clutch and put back "STOCK" replacement clutch ~ it will be so light and feelingLESS; as it gets wear down it will be stiffer and stiffer...

of course, soft brake feel and stiff clutch feel could also be because of bad pad / rotors / master cylinder or pressure plate, clutch master or slave cylinders...

clutch might not slip, just like brake might not fade when it's completely done; usually it will be harder to go into gear but it might not grind (grind only states that it has bad synchro's, replacing clutch usually won't fix); shutter could be because flywheel, clutch disc / pressure plate ~ or even engine / transmission mount as the clutch bites too hard and mount is letting go of the power (this usually only happens when u have a higher performance clutch or badly worn mounts)...

i have done toyota matrix xrs with 51k and the clutch is completely gone, pretty owner bought it to learn how to drive stick and my friend got his for "cheap" (counted the clutch replacement cost into his buying cost, as it's expected)...

also RSX at 60k, bettle at 58k, WRX at 58k, etc....u just never know how the prev owner drives!

worn clutch is usually heavy, doesn't grip as good while new clutch would be so light but it bites!

it's hard to explain maybe u can buy the camry i will do ur clutch then u can experience it

作者: xelloss 時間: 2008-9-16 15:43

Well, I also want to check if my clutch is still in good condition or not.
I haven't driven a new car with a new clutch...so I can't really tell the different.

But really, this is a first time i've heard that a Stick Camry.

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-16 18:52

have driven 93-95 gen Camry V6 3.0 5MT, that car pulls very hard but it's like a boat, no doubt the clutch for it was stiff, but it was a car with 100k when i drove!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-16 23:26

A lot of Camrys on the used market now...the 4cycl isn't THAT bad for fuel econ...why is everyone selling?

作者: xelloss 時間: 2008-9-17 08:48

Probably it's getting old, and want a new one.

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-17 09:58

depends on what year shutterbug has noticed, but toyota nowaday is not as well built as the old one....

have done transmission, engine, steering rack, starter (this has been toyota's problem FOREVER) on 00+ cars (all with about 100k or less when problem existed), O2 sensor on 02+ cars with less than 70k (unfortunately the car is over 3 years)

even a gas pedal sensor can break on a 03 camry with only 55k, make the car starts but can't accelerate, $700 or sth repair! can't drive without repair, what a ****ty deal!

作者: xelloss 時間: 2008-9-17 11:03

Honda the best..Waaa Haa Haaaa..

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-17 13:56

What stupid gas pedal sensor is 700???  Why?  The part is expensive or it's labour intensive?

I've replaced tons of Toyota starters myself too.  Most of the time it's just the copper contacts in the solenoid got worn out and they cost 10 bucks for parts, pretty simple to change too.  I don't consider this to be a fault but definitely a stupid design.

I heard of sludge problems in their V6 between 98-02 but that's OK I'm not looking at a V6.  What's the problem with the steering rack?  Leaking or what?

I looked at a 04 and a 05.  The 05 is made in Japan but the 04 is not!?!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-17 14:18

BTW, how much does it cost these days to replace a Camry clutch?

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-18 07:23

the stupid accelerator pedal position sensor was only .5 for labor, but $6xx for parts!

yet when it breaks u have no choice, car is not going anywhere

i know the starter contact is easy to do on toyota's (at least for most of them, but it's not fun when u have a GS400 and the intake manifold has to come off, etc)...

how often does honda have to change? or subaru? or mazda? or nissan? or any other major make ~ to change their starter contacts? overall like u said it's not a big problem but it's somewhat a very stupid design ~ high maintenance lol....

the steering rack was leaking for that 04 sienna, at 72k, passed the 3 years 60k and dealer says it was not under warranty....

according to mitchell on demand, to do camry's clutch is 13.8 hours; assume most place do it between $60 to $120, u will be looking at $800 to $1800 labor (cuz $120 would be dealership, shop supplies, taxes on the top)...that's not including parts or machine flywheel

let me know if u have picked up one of those, i would like to see what makes it so hard lol

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-18 10:19

OMG...13.8 hours for clutch??? What a rip off!!! That's V6 or 4 cycl? Even for V6, it can be done in about 6 hours. Let me phone the dealerships for price before I actually buy one of these...LOL

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-18 13:49

well that's for 4 cylinder and clutch work hour is not available for a 04/05 Camry V6....u better show me how to do that in about 6 hours, i would like to learn

most FWD cars like civic / integra / echo etc usually from 4.5 to 6.5 hours and it's actually quite ridiculous and i am shocked when i see the hour in mitchell on demand...it was saying "inc r&i engine and transmission" lol...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-19 01:18

Hm...6 hours is for the 98-01 gen Camrys...I don't know about newer ones. I used to work at a Toyota dealership and the techs did it in around 6 hours...of course the book charged more than that la...I guess working on just one make of cars is much more efficient.

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-19 11:25

oh working at a dealership is different some time, tech gets to remember what exact tools needed to be used (even tho we can remember most of those more popular one); they will probably encounter the same issue earlier than us (such like something is not willing to come off etc)...

i have seen a "korean brand" dealership having so much fun with a mazda, cuz the tech is only used to their own brand when other makes come in, he becomes clueless...

book time to do 98-01 camry's clutch job is only 6.8 hours, getting done in around 6 hours makes sense....

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-9-19 12:40

Oh really? what makes the new Camry so difficult that needed 14 hours?!?!

If that's the case, I won't even consider that Camry even the salesman can give me a "good" deal...well, the guy hasn't gotten back to me yet. I guess his manager won't lower the price for me...LOL

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-9-19 13:42 編輯 ]

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-9-19 23:44

the first thing i read on mitchell on demand is:

remove engine with transaxle assy; guess it's quite similiar to the 03 Camry we had replaced the engine, it will be much easier to drop the whole thing and do it on the ground...lol

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