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作者: bluemountain    時間: 2008-9-25 13:18     標題: 樂天小熊餅含有三聚氰胺

Oh!  My God!  a BIG BIG NEWS!  We can buy this snack w/ diggerent favor in Vancouver!  Is this your favourite snack?

澳 門 衞 生 局 與 經 濟 局 昨 晚 公 佈 第 五 批 從 市 場 上 抽 驗 的 奶 類 產 品 檢 測 結 果 ， 再 發 現 三 個 樣 本 含 有 三 聚 氰 胺 。 其 中 由 樂 天 中 國 食 品 製 造 的 50 克 小 盒 裝 樂 天 小 熊 餅 （ 朱 古 力 夾 心 ） （ 食 用 限 期 至 2010 年 1 月 9 日 ） ， 發 現 三 聚 氰 胺 含 量 高 達 每 公 斤 24 毫 克 ， 超 出 本 港 法 例 上 限 8.6 倍 ， 食 安 中 心 表 示 會 跟 進 事 件 。
該 產 品 總 代 理 是 香 港 益 生 貿 易 公 司 ， 公 司 電 話 昨 晚 未 有 人 接 聽 。 本 港 百 佳 超 級 市 場 發 言 人 昨 晚 表 示 ， 已 決 定 將 該 款 有 問 題 及 所 有 內 地 製 樂 天 小 熊 餅 「 落 架 」 ； 不 過 本 報 昨 晚 在 部 份 百 佳 超 市 ， 仍 發 現 有 售 上 述 樂 天 小 熊 餅 。 惠 康 發 言 人 表 示 已 即 時 收 起 有 關 產 品 。

小 童 日 吃 五 包 已 超 標

美 國 食 物 及 藥 物 管 理 局 訂 明 每 公 斤 體 重 的 三 聚 氰 胺 攝 取 上 限 為 0.63 毫 克 。 以 9 公 斤 重 的 兩 歲 童 為 例 ， 每 日 吃 250 克 ， 即 五 包 上 述 樂 天 熊 餅 已 超 標 。
本 報 早 前 委 託 本 港 檢 測 中 心 進 行 的 檢 測 發 現 ， 巢 雀 黑 龍 江 廠 房 生 產 的 900 克 裝 金 裝 助 長 奶 粉 （ 1+ ） ， 三 聚 氰 胺 含 量 為 每 公 斤 0.6 毫 克 ， 食 用 日 期 至 2010 年 2 月 20 日 。 澳 門 昨 晚 也 公 佈 ， 在 一 批 食 用 日 期 至 2010 年 4 月 9 日 的 同 一 產 地 的 同 一 產 品 中 ， 驗 出 三 聚 氰 胺 少 於 每 公 斤 1 毫 克 。
本 港 食 安 中 心 昨 晚 再 公 佈 105 個 檢 測 樣 本 ， 發 現 食 用 限 期 至 2010 年 5 月 28 日 、 7 月 2 日 及 7 月 18 日 的 三 個 雀 巢 金 裝 助 長 奶 粉 （ 1+ ） 樣 本 「 合 格 」 。 但 必 須 注 意 ， 若 只 含 小 量 三 聚 氰 胺 而 未 有 超 標 （ 奶 品 每 公 斤 1 毫 克 、 非 奶 品 類 食 物 每 公 斤 2.5 毫 克 ） ， 食 安 中 心 一 律 當 合 格 ， 換 言 之 ， 這 不 代 表 完 全 不 含 三 聚 氰 胺 。
港 府 在 本 周 一 緊 急 立 法 ， 規 定 每 公 斤 奶 類 製 品 不 能 含 有 超 過 1 毫 克 的 三 聚 氰 胺 ， 雀 巢 發 言 人 昨 晚 以 此 作 理 據 ， 堅 稱 產 品 的 三 聚 氰 胺 水 平 低 於 法 例 上 限 ， 認 為 可 安 全 食 用 。
此 外 ， 澳 門 當 局 在 一 款 蒙 牛 早 餐 奶 麥 香 奶 類 飲 品 中 （ 食 用 限 期 至 2008 年 12 月 8 日 ） ， 驗 出 三 聚 氰 胺 超 出 香 港 法 例 上 限 ， 水 平 達 每 公 斤 2.35 毫 克 。
作者: ravemother    時間: 2008-9-25 14:30

omg, i ate 20 bags of this last month! but i am feeling totally fine, except the flu i caught a few days ago!
作者: its_visa    時間: 2008-9-25 14:45

原帖由 ravemother 於 2008-9-25 15:30 發表
omg, i ate 20 bags of this last month! but i am feeling totally fine, except the flu i caught a few days ago!


hahahahha i think the flu is from this STUpid weatheR!

but...good that ur still fine after eating like 20bags of them ! @___@" hahaha...
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-9-25 14:52

I know T & T sells 樂天小熊餅 which made in China.. coz few months ago when i buy it from T&T..it tastes different...and when u look at the package carefully.. it's the china version...
just like the Horlicks... there are 2 different packing... the stylish one (with orange stripe) was actually manufactured in China ...
作者: bluemountain    時間: 2008-9-25 14:58     標題: 回復 4# 的帖子

Lots of the products has China Verson such as Korean Instant Noodle, Japanese Pokka sth like that.  You will find their price a bit less than the orginal!  Taste-of course difference too!
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-9-25 15:11

We're not babies anymore...so it should take a lot of cookies to kill our kidneys...no worries
作者: smt    時間: 2008-9-25 18:23

大板有賣日本版的熊仔餅... 用膠袋的﹐唔係紙盒裝。
雖然貴 D﹐但好食好多。
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2008-9-25 19:45

I eat 朱古力樂天熊仔餅 all the time .. and I am so cheapy .. buy the CHINA one ..  

(but my wife will buy the japan one)

Aiya .  die la.  die la..
作者: puZZle    時間: 2008-9-25 22:06

原帖由 ravemother 於 2008-9-25 15:30 發表
omg, i ate 20 bags of this last month! but i am feeling totally fine, except the flu i caught a few days ago!


good for you! =D
作者: low_B    時間: 2008-9-25 22:10

Taste is difference....jap one is good
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-25 22:47

原帖由 low_B 於 2008-9-26 14:10 發表
Taste is difference....jap one is good


Frankly, I like the china one...
as a punishment of my bad taste, I am going to have kidney stone.
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-25 22:55

This is why the Japanese are racist. Why would the same company produce a better tasting product in Japan and a lesser product in China? They are supposed to be the same. Why are they so racist? The same with instant noodles. The Japanese would use better ingredients for the Japan version.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-9-25 23:56 編輯 ]
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-25 23:18

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 14:55 發表
This is why the Japanese are racist. Why would the same company produce a better tasting product in Japan and a lesser product in China? They are supposed to be the same. Why are they so racist? The same with instant noodles. The Japanese would use better ingredients for the Japan version.


呢d 係經濟學既供求問題啦.
日本人有錢d, 廠家自然可以用好d 既材料, 做一d 好d 既product出黎, 就算貴d 都有人買.
其他冇佢地咁有錢既地方, 如大陸, 就會用一d 平d 既材料, 做一d 平d 既product出黎, 因為果d 地方既customer afford唔起買貴野, 如果用貴料, d product就少好多人買, 咁就賺唔到錢.

開口句句都話人racist, 都唔知係乜野心態. 憎人富貴厭人貧?
作者: low_B    時間: 2008-9-25 23:52

Aiya.....mjj....you know,he always like that ga la
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-26 00:01

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-9-26 00:18 發表


呢d 係經濟學既供求問題啦.
日本人有錢d, 廠家自然可以用好d 既材料, 做一d 好d 既product出黎, 就算貴d 都有人買.
其他冇佢地咁有錢既地方, 如大陸, 就會用一d 平d 既材料, 做一d 平d 既product出黎, 因為果d 地 ...


Comeon, if the Japanese use cheaper ingredients for the China market, this is understandable. Even in China there are rich people. But in Hong Kong we can certainly afford much higher prices, comparable to the Japanese. Why do they use cheaper ingredients for HK version? Even the top 2% richest of the people in China, that is 30 million people. These people can afford BMWs and Mercedes, LV handbags etc, sure they can afford better instant noodles.

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作者: ravemother    時間: 2008-9-26 00:06

i bought the paper container one bcuz it is about 20% cheaper..yes i am cheap, LOL

no wonder i felt slower playing badminton tonight bcuz of my kidney stone!
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-26 00:13

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 16:01 發表
Comeon, if the Japanese use cheaper ingredients for the China market, this is understandable. Even in China there are rich people. But we in Hong Kong can certainly afford much higher prices, comparable to the Japanese. Why do they use cheaper ingredients for HK version? Even the top 2% richest of the people in China, that is 30 million people. These people can afford BMWs and Mercedes, LV handbags etc, sure they can afford better instant noodles.


Comeon, 你唔係唔知香港可以買到日本貨架咩? 有錢既想食好d, 買日本貨law. 好似出前一丁咁, 香港版就$3.7, 日版就$6左右, 你覺得日版好食就買日被law~ (但偏偏小弟會鍾意食港版, 真係唔話自己cheap咀唔得)
The top 2% richest of the people in China, 佢地可能日日都飛去日本食sashimi啦... 亦唔排除有人好似我咁有一把cheap咀, 鍾意食local版出前一丁woh.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-26 00:15

原帖由 low_B 於 2008-9-26 15:52 發表
Aiya.....mjj....you know,he always like that ga la


low_B, 我只係想令佢諗真d, 因為我覺得一個人生活o係一個是非不分既世界之中係好慘.
雖然, 呢個世界好多時都發生緊一d 是非不分既事.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-26 00:16

原帖由 ravemother 於 2008-9-26 16:06 發表
i bought the paper container one bcuz it is about 20% cheaper..yes i am cheap, LOL

no wonder i felt slower playing badminton tonight bcuz of my kidney stone!


小弟覺得, 你可能因為食得太多而肥左, 所以先慢左.
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-26 00:38

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-9-26 01:13 發表


Comeon, 你唔係唔知香港可以買到日本貨架咩? 有錢既想食好d, 買日本貨law. 好似出前一丁咁, 香港版就$3.7, 日版就$6左右, 你覺得日版好食就買日被law~ (但偏偏小弟會鍾意食港版, 真係唔話自己cheap咀唔得)
The ...


Comeon, they should use the better ingredients for the Hong Kong version and just sell them for $6. There is no need to buy the Japanese version.

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-26 00:59

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 16:38 發表


Comeon, they should use the better ingredients for the Hong Kong version and just sell them for $6. There is no need to buy the Japanese version.


Comeon, why don't they use the best ingredients for the Hong Kong version and just sell them for $16?
I think I will try it.
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2008-9-26 11:18

算罷喇。。。我食左好多了﹐要死早就死了﹐都唔驚得那麼多。。。最多以後小心D啦。。。
作者: Jenny    時間: 2008-9-26 11:19

Oh no... White Rabbit Candy also

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Melamine has been found in White Rabbit Creamy Candies sold in Singapore and Hong Kong, prompting stores in Vancouver's Chinatown to pull the product as a precaution.

The chemical has been found in high levels in some Chinese milk products, like baby formula, which has sickened thousands of Chinese children.

The Vancouver Province spoke to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, which says it has no evidence the candy in Canada is tainted.

http://www.news1130.com/news/loc ... 80925_074304_11960#
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2008-9-26 11:20

日 吃 五 包? wondering how many people would do so
唔食死都肥死
作者: sunmoon    時間: 2008-9-26 11:22

no people would eat tons of white rabbit candies gua?!
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-26 13:21

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-25 23:55 發表
This is why the Japanese are racist. Why would the same company produce a better tasting product in Japan and a lesser product in China? They are supposed to be the same. Why are they so racist? The s ...


China Local Tsing Tao actually taste worst then the export version. so what's your point?  Chinese ppl racist against themself??
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-26 13:22

原帖由 smt 於 2008-9-25 19:23 發表
大板有賣日本版的熊仔餅... 用膠袋的﹐唔係紙盒裝。
雖然貴 D﹐但好食好多。


Japanese version oreos taste better too
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-26 13:24

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 01:38 發表


Comeon, they should use the better ingredients for the Hong Kong version and just sell them for $6. There is no need to buy the Japanese version.



fcuk u are stupid.... my dog is smarter then you
作者: myversa    時間: 2008-9-26 13:35

OMG.  I bought two large one just last week and we already started to eat them....
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2008-9-26 13:50

I dont like milk so I don't have much of these at home...   but I will be very upset if they found anything wrong with the Calbee chips....
作者: fibbi    時間: 2008-9-26 14:16

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 01:01 發表


Comeon, if the Japanese use cheaper ingredients for the China market, this is understandable. Even in China there are rich people. But in Hong Kong we can certainly afford much higher prices, compar ...


Yeah there are rich people in China so there are expensive good like LV or Guicci selling. But instant noodle is different, different market. Instant noodle targets to general public which in this case, there are also a lot of people with less income. They would rather pay less for instant noodle. So it makes sense to have different type of price range selling in different places. MacDonald food in Europe is more expensive than North American MacDonald. And offer more choices too. Then you call that discrimination too?
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-26 14:35

原帖由 fibbi 於 2008-9-26 15:16 發表


Yeah there are rich people in China so there are expensive good like LV or Guicci selling. But instant noodle is different, different market. Instant noodle targets to general public which in this c ...


Comeon, as you know there are rich people in China who also eat instant noodles. The Japanese should produce both expensive and cheap versions of them. You don't see coke cola selling cheaper versions of coke in China. There are always expensive and cheaper stuff at Macdonalds all over the world and they are using the same ingredients for the same product.

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作者: 布小熊    時間: 2008-9-26 15:52

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-26 02:35 PM 發表
Comeon, as you know there are rich people in China who also eat instant noodles. The Japanese should produce both expensive and cheap versions of them. You don't see coke cola selling cheaper versio ...

Have you been to MacDonalds else where??? Do you understand marketing?
btw companies usually use local/close by area ingredients unless they have to be imported.

[ 本帖最後由 布小熊 於 2008-9-26 15:54 編輯 ]
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2008-9-26 21:58

COMEON  COMEON  

COMEON ..  

LoL ... you guys are so funny ..   when every normal people in the world .. wondering why  Quality in CHINA is worse then Japan/Europe etc ..  some people (should say SOMEONE) even complains about Japan/Europe etc with better Quality??

COMEON  COMEON ( oops.. )   

You get what you pay ..  you pay the money for a civic .. you get a civic ..  of course, I want a Porsche .. but pay a civic price la..   

So .. we should complain to JAPAN about a MADE IN JAPAN civic is better then a MADE IN CANADA civic ??  but not complain to lazy Canadian ??

COMEON .. COMEON ..  lol

COMEON .. COMEON ..   9 not to 8 ..   don't waste gas la..  lol

COMEON !!!
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-27 00:55

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2008-9-26 22:58 發表
COMEON  COMEON  

COMEON ..  

LoL ... you guys are so funny ..   when every normal people in the world .. wondering why  Quality in CHINA is worse then Japan/Europe etc ..  some people (should say SO ...



Comeon, your logic is wrong and very funny. We are talking about the Japanese intentionally using better ingredients in Japan than in Hong Kong to make the same instant noodles. But you dare to say Chinese quality is lower than Japan? This is a joke from you.
We are talking about the same products made with different grades of ingredients. Of course, the Japan version will be better due to the better ingredients. This does not mean the Japanese workers are better than those in Hong Kong or China. You don't see coke cola using lower quality ingredients for their Hong Kong or or China version of the same product.

Comeon, can you even read properly? We are not talking about two different products, like a civic and a porsche. We are talking about the same type of instant noodles. If the Japanese use the same manufacturing techniques and same quality parts to make the same car in Japan and Canada, but the quality of the Canadian-made car is lower, that means something wrong with the Canadian workers.

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作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-27 00:58

原帖由 布小熊 於 2008-9-26 16:52 發表

Have you been to MacDonalds else where??? Do you understand marketing?
btw companies usually use local/close by area ingredients unless they have to be imported.


Comeon, the Japanese are intentionally using lower quality ingredients for the Hong Kong version of the same instant noodles. HK people and richer people in China can afford the more expensive version of the noodles. You don't see Macdonalds intentionally using lower quality ingredients in Hong Kong than elsewhere.

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作者: 阿朱    時間: 2008-9-27 02:33

死得添，我都吾記得食左幾多包。。。
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-27 03:01

原帖由 布小熊 於 2008-9-26 16:52 發表

Have you been to MacDonalds else where??? Do you understand marketing?
btw companies usually use local/close by area ingredients unless they have to be imported.


he got not brain, where the hell do you think he will get business sense?
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-27 03:03

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-27 01:58 發表


Comeon, the Japanese are intentionally using lower quality ingredients for the Hong Kong version of the same instant noodles. HK people and richer people in China can afford the more expensive versi ...


its not lower quality, its call local sourcing.  well, you live in this tiny cave where you see the world from your tiny hole, i'm sure you don't know that the earth's sole varies from place to place.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-27 03:06

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-27 01:55 發表



Comeon, your logic is wrong and very funny. We are talking about the Japanese intentionally using better ingredients in Japan than in Hong Kong to make the same instant noodles. But you dare to say ...


her logic is wrong and funny to you is becuz you dont even have any.  
btw, coke taste different around the world.  wait... how will you know, you probably never been many places b4...
seriously, have you even graduated from elementary??  kids are smarter then you.
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2008-9-27 08:27

Oh .. COMEON ..  
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-27 23:32

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-9-27 04:03 發表


its not lower quality, its call local sourcing.  well, you live in this tiny cave where you see the world from your tiny hole, i'm sure you don't know that the earth's sole varies from place to plac ...


How do you even know they use local sourcing for instant noodles? Hong Kong does not even grow wheat. The Japanese have to import the flour to Hong Kong for making instant noodles.

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作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-27 23:34

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-9-27 04:06 發表


her logic is wrong and funny to you is becuz you dont even have any.  
btw, coke taste different around the world.  wait... how will you know, you probably never been many places b4...
seriously, ha ...


Comeon, coca cola does not intentionally use different ingredients. They use the same formula for classic coke in China.
Starbucks does not use cheaper coffee beans in Hong Kong.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-27 23:50

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-28 00:32 發表


How do you even know they use local sourcing for instant noodles? Hong Kong does not even grow wheat. The Japanese have to import the flour to Hong Kong for making instant noodles.


wheat can be imported from china.  china = local in hk smartass, wheat production is probably not even enough in japan to cover domestic use.  出前一丁 doesnt even have a huge difference in taste in the first place, you know not only ingredients will affect the taste, just the oil itself could cause a difference.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-27 23:58

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-28 00:34 發表


Comeon, coca cola does not intentionally use different ingredients. They use the same formula for classic coke in China.
Starbucks does not use cheaper coffee beans in Hong Kong.


oh god, you are really smart!!!  do u even know whats the main ingredient for coke???  its call WATER.  do you think they would import water from Georgia to the rest of the world so they can make coke EXACTLY the same as where it was originated?  actually, do you even know HOW coke is produced???
coffee beans are only produce in certain parts of the world.  coffee beans are NOT locally sourced.  but I don't see the milk starbucks uses in hk is from dairyland.
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-28 01:09

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-9-28 00:58 發表


oh god, you are really smart!!!  do u even know whats the main ingredient for coke???  its call WATER.  do you think they would import water from Georgia to the rest of the world so they can make co ...


We all know coffee beans have to be imported into Hong Kong. But there different grades of beans. Starbucks does not intentionally import cheaper beans into China or Hong Kong. They use the same beans.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-28 01:17

i give up... u are just too stupid
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-28 04:21

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-9-28 17:09 發表


We all know coffee beans have to be imported into Hong Kong. But there different grades of beans. Starbucks does not intentionally import cheaper beans into China or Hong Kong. They use the same bea ...


FYI, Japan also ships Japan version 出前一丁 to China and Hong Kong.
By the way, there are some China version 出前一丁 shipped to Japan too.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-9-28 04:22

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-9-28 17:17 發表
i give up... u are just too stupid


he is not stupid, he is stubborn.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2008-9-28 05:36

For those who love and praise Japanese manufactured food products so much,
do you guy know that the Japanese imports tons, actually by tons of REFINED OIL
(refined from the discarded cooking grease from restaurants, and meat scraps from butcheries)
everyday.
The refined oil is colourless and tasteless, proven hazard to human health and banned
in Canada.What do the Japs do with the refined oil? Frying  lovely looking instant noodles, rice
crisp snacks and tempura. The refining business is growing in Canada thanks to the Japanese.
作者: kaimui22    時間: 2008-9-28 10:11

just wanted to say one thing...

just because a product says "Made in Canada/USA/Japan...etc etc" doesn't mean all the ingredients and all the processes are made in that ONE place. The regulations for using the label "Made in XXXX" are very lax...for example, a jacket with cotton from India, dyes from England, threads from China and buttons from Canada CAN be labeled "Made in Canada" as long as the final process and at least one part of it is produced in Canada. This goes the same for any food product we consume..(BTW, I learned about this in university)

Think about it, we might buy a box of cookies that is "Made in the USA"...but does that mean all the ingredients are from the states? Nope. The flour might be from the states, the cream and sugar might be from the China or wherever for all we know. The packaging might be from the states..

internationalism has allowed companies to ship specific ingredients and parts from all over the world...just because a box of cookies is "Made in Japan" doesn't mean 100% of its ingredients are from japan. Of course it could be 99% of the ingredients are from Japan..but what about that 1%? That small 1% could as well be the poisonous ingredient we're all scared about.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-9-28 21:51

Dreyers, M&M, oreos, all contain melamine!!!
作者: pepsis2    時間: 2008-9-28 22:24

wow... so scary...

can't believe nowaday what is safe to feed our children in the planet...
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-9-29 11:59

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2008-9-28 06:36 發表
For those who love and praise Japanese manufactured food products so much,
do you guy know that the Japanese imports tons, actually by tons of REFINED OIL
(refined from the discarded cooking grease fr ...


Why are the Japanese using bad oil to make food? Why isn't Canada banning Japanese products fried with this harmful refined oil? They should buy canola oil from Canada.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-9-29 13:07 編輯 ]
作者: kipposhi    時間: 2008-10-1 00:54

don't waste gas to argue with him.



[ 本帖最後由 kipposhi 於 2008-10-1 01:00 編輯 ]
作者: myversa    時間: 2008-10-1 13:06

Tnt already took those off the shelf...
作者: heykevin    時間: 2008-10-1 13:58

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