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作者: jwc 時間: 2008-10-15 09:28 標題: Not feeling safe living in Vancouver anymore...

I'm bad at making long story short, so sorry that it's kinda long:

Last weekend, (yeah, Thanksgiving ironically) my husband and I were driving east on West 21st/22nd towards Cambie.  A cyclist's coming in the opposite direction and as there were cars parked on the side, my husband slowed down the car and let him passed by.  The second one approached, coming from Cambie too, but riding right in the middle of the lane.  My husband did the same thing, slowed down and let him passed by.  This guy got really pissed and for no reason, said we almost hit him and should have completely stopped.  He then slapped my car's back door and kept yelling at us.  My husband was mad but what could we do?  So we continued driving east and turned right on Cambie.

After a block or two down Cambie while we were hitting north, my husband spotted him chasing us from behind (yes, he u-turned and stalked us).  My husband immediately turned left on 17th to avoid him, my husband made sure I was ok so he slowed down a bit.  We thought that should be the end of it, but no.  He found us again on 16th while we were in opposite direction again.  All I could do is to call 911 at that point while my husband continued to try his best turning around blocks to avoid him.  I was so scared and tried to explain to the dispatcher on 911 about what happened.  The lady kept asking me where I was and telling us to pull over.  My husband asked why should we stop as this guy is stalking us.  But in the end, we listened to the dispatcher and pulled over on W. 13th, 600 block.  The cyclist found us momentarily and grabbed his water bottle, spit on our car.  My husband shut all windows before he approached and so he took a key out to threaten us, kept yelling and swearing out loud, banging on our windows, even a neighbour came out to see what's happening.  I continued to talk to the cop but officers hadn't yet come as she said.  The guys found me on the phone so he keyed our car and took off.

Officers arrived 20 minutes after this guy left, of course he's long gone.  One officer of the two, got off the car and inspected ours.  (the other one was too busy cleaning up his car)  Nothing she said other than "nothing we could do, you know, we were coming from Dunbar and he must be long gone." My husband was really upset and complained why the dispatched asked us to stop!  The cop defended "if you believe you are in a dangerous situation, you don't have to listen to the dispatcher."  And I asked he got fingerprints and spits on my car, (according to my knowledge from TV shows), can he be identified?  "No"

Now, what we could only do, is to claim as hit and run with the claim no. and pay $300 deductible. I'm so worry because I often drive by and park around that area. What if that cyclist recognize my car again???? This guy is psycho!! I'm really scared and everything seems to be so random these days.

[ 本帖最後由 jwc 於 2008-10-15 10:30 編輯 ]

作者: akshea 時間: 2008-10-15 09:47

You should take a picture of the guy. -_-~!

作者: myversa 時間: 2008-10-15 10:00

sorry this happened to you.

Everyone should have camera or use cellphone to take picture of that guy.

Even so, I do not think anything the Canadian police can do.

You should have complained to one of the candidates before the election.....

作者: ravemother 時間: 2008-10-15 10:09

sorry to hear this. there are lots of crazy ppl walking on the street.

taking picture is not a bad idea, but do it in way that he doesnt know. u dun wanna trigger him to do other crazy thing.

probably drive to the closet police station.

作者: jwc 時間: 2008-10-15 10:10

I understand we should have done this, or done that~
There's a lot we should have done...
but everything is too late.....

on the other hand when I think about this, does it really help if we took a picture? you think we could find him? or that would just trigger him to do more to harm us or our car?

I just think he was picking on someone, trying to fall before the car and take advantage of....

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-15 10:38

you should drive to the closet donut shop to find cops, j/k

seriously, you should drive to a gas station or anywhere that got lots of ppl

作者: totori 時間: 2008-10-15 11:28

If I were you, I would just drive away and ignore the guy. There is no point to reason with those people and absolutely pointless to call the cops because they won't provide any help to you since this is such a misdemeanour case. If you are driving at a moderate speed (say @50km per hour), that guy will not be able to catch up with you with his bike. Just drive to some place else (say a supermarket farther away) and hang out for a while before you head back if the place where you being harrassed is close to your home.

作者: 小叻 時間: 2008-10-15 11:33

我都覺得你停係D人多既地方好D﹐如gas station。我諗你地太緊張啦~不過如果係我﹐
我會飛車走lor (佢踩單車者) ~ 我絕對唔會信D警察架啦~ 佢地抄牌就叻。同埋個變態見你地甘驚先會得寸進尺...

作者: peter236 時間: 2008-10-15 11:40

These people who ride bicycles think they are environmentally friendly. they think they are somehow superior. But they create more traffic problems.

作者: 哇哈哈 時間: 2008-10-15 11:57

thanks for letting us know.....

It is true that it could happen anytime anywhere in Vancouver

我覺得誰是誰非都好,不要激怒他 ==>>精神病+暴力狂

他們連一句說話都受不了(最驚係他們身上有槍或者有其他野)

事實證明, 現在溫哥華"狒狒"滿天下

***小心一點***

作者: jwc 時間: 2008-10-15 12:01

I guess my fault was to trust the poice....

作者: b06 時間: 2008-10-15 12:06

I would've driven away from him.  There was no point circling around the blocks just to avoid him isnt it?

But then to your point about the safety in Vancouver, I do agree with you to some extent. There are just too many crazy a-holes out there in town...Perhaps more rounded law enforcement system in Vancouver may improve the situation?

Not sure if this is correct but a rough check shows me there are about 1000 police officers for the Greater Vancouver Area where the total population is about 2.3 millions.  So that translate to 0.05 police per 100 people.  Compare to what I know about HK(I know it's a bad comparison), there are 0.35 police per 100 people...

作者: Caffie 時間: 2008-10-15 20:58

嗰個區都幾雜吓

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2008-10-15 21:22

side question. Did the guy look normal? Did he wear a helmet? Wear biking outfit?
Well, just don't want ppl to think that all bike riders are crazy. But there are some crazy ppl riding out that without their helmet.... which is VERY dangerous.

I still do trust police but this is not a case that they can really work on. Unless the guy beat you up (then they can charge him assault)... and as b06 said... sadly our police to people ratio is really low...

Protect yourself, drive far away. Unless he is an Olympic racer, he can't catch up with you at 50+km/h.

作者: aucht 時間: 2008-10-15 22:50

I don't understand why your husband slowed down the car and let him passed by? you must be one of through slow slow driver, stop with nonsense, some ppl don't like you to yeild them.

作者: GAClone 時間: 2008-10-15 23:19

i feel for you guys, you cant run from these psycho's...thanks to the lovely city traffic we have where you must stop at every god damn intersection...he's bound to catch you SOMEtime...UNLESS you guys hit a highway/freeway.

and Vancouver police are not very reliable. they know how to catch speeders, people who violate parking rules, and...you guessed it, eat LOTS of donuts

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2008-10-16 00:13

唔好講到自己係受害者啦, 我覺得你地係 Gill Gill 同類 - 又天真又傻呀

而家邊度仲有人信差佬架?? 你一定阻住人買 tim tim 所以佢老點你啦

女生們, 請想想類似情況, 如果你有一晚自己行緊條好黑又冇人既街﹐ 你發覺有個男人跟住你後面, 跟足幾個blocks….你報警, 個差佬叫你停埋一邊等警察黎, 我想問妳地停唔停低?
不過俾人搞左都好既, 起碼身上可以留低佢o的毛髮或者白色痴立立既野( if he has dom dom then too bad! ha! )~ 希望驗 DNA 可以搵到證據~ 你而家得個指紋? 哈, 落完雨冇左~

住加拿大信自己好過.....即係, 你踩行油走啦!!
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The cop defended "if you believe you are in a dangerous situation, you don't have to listen to the dispatcher." 我好同意個差佬既說法~ 係喇~ 呢 $300 deductible當自己上左一課啦

[ 本帖最後由 Purpleheart 於 2008-10-16 01:17 編輯 ]

作者: jwc 時間: 2008-10-16 07:44

嗰個區都幾雜吓

Really?! Cambie wor! around 10th to King Edward. It wasn't in my impression, but it is.

side question. Did the guy look normal? Did he wear a helmet? Wear biking outfit?

He totally normal. Wearing a helmet, wearing "oakley-like" sunglasses with backpack on. AE style outfit. Absolutely not a bum.

I don't understand why your husband slowed down the car and let him passed by? you must be one of through slow slow driver, stop with nonsense, some ppl don't like you to yeild them.

I don't understand why we should not slow down with cars parked on both side driving down an alley. He claimed that we did not completely stop for him.

Well, yeah, me 又天真又傻 law! We're obviously not the 受害者 law. Since I didn't learn from the Canadian education system that everyone should be self-centred and don't trust anyone other than myself.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-10-16 08:36

it's a typical roadrage. It has nothing to do with the area.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2008-10-16 08:53

I have a question. If that bike is a car, would you have stopped and let the car throught?
The "incident" happened on West 21st is not a main road and some of those streets are narrow. If there are cars parked on both sides of the street, I would have stopped and let the car/bike through. (you know that stop at the gap between parked cars until the road is clear rule of thumb)

btw.

I got a bit confused when you said you were heading East on W21st and then after you turned right you were heading north on cambie???

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-16 09:33

geez, I thought you were talking about motorcycle (cuz I can't imagine a bike can catch up with a car), HOW THE HELL CAN A BICYCLE CATCH UP WITH A CAR?!?!?!

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-10-16 09:54

if I ride a road bike i could be at 40km/hr, so it's not impossible if they hit a few red lights.

The biggest question is why they didn't leave the area immediately the moment they realized the cyclist was chasing them.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2008-10-16 10:00

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-10-16 09:54 AM 發表
if I ride a road bike i could be at 40km/hr, so it's not impossible if they hit a few red lights.

The biggest question is why they didn't leave the area immediately the moment they realized the cycli ...

Exactly... why circle the block?

作者: jwc 時間: 2008-10-16 10:13

Sorry, my mistake, we were heading west at the beginning.  And think about Cambie, on a Sunday afternoon.  It's hard to "escape".  We could, but we just made a mistake, listened to the dispatcher and pulled over and let this happened.  I was being chicken too, as all I thought about was that the cyclist would get hit by our or someone's car if we continued to run around blocks like that.

Anyhow, all I'm saying is that, these few weeks, I feel so insecured about living here in Vancouver.  News about getting randomly hit or killed are happening everyday.  Maybe my case was a minor one as we didn't get punched or something.

I understand that LYKs are LYKs and so just to use here to express my frustration, but I guess maybe it's just not a great place as everyone has "experienced" a lot and would not care about such a case that happens everyday.

Just a note:  I'm trying to say we should not bear any responsibility, but of what that guy did, it was totally unnecessary.

[ 本帖最後由 jwc 於 2008-10-16 11:22 編輯 ]

作者: pepsis2 時間: 2008-10-16 10:17

aii.. if u don't feel safe in Van.. probably u shouldn't live in other cities too... like toronto.. holy smoke ! it's just crazy!! (well, they claim that they're the "safest" city in N America bor.. can't u believe it???)

Van is getting worse, but not like "unlivable".. just be smarter next time la!

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2008-10-16 10:20

sorry for being mean... but I just got confused on this case.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-16 10:32

Let me try to summarize it
"Me and my husband ran into some crazy cyclist, we called the god damn police but all they did was making the case worse, the crazy guy keyed our car and now I have to pay for the repair, I hate Vancouver and please comfort me"

作者: MSN04 時間: 2008-10-16 16:57

原帖由 jwc 於 2008-10-16 11:13 發表
I was being chicken too, as all I thought about was that the cyclist would get hit by our or someone's car if we continued to run around blocks like that.

Sorry... that doesn't make any sense...

Also, in that situation, I can only see 2 actions from you or ur husband, that I considered normal.
1. get out of the car and beat the cyclist up
2. run
So, I really don't understand what you did.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-10-16 17:10

癲佬, roadrage 全世界都有; 不用上岡上線.

要學習的是危機處理. 比人追, 老虎都走啦!

作者: peter236 時間: 2008-10-16 19:04

You guys should have sounded the horn like crazy, to scare that moron away.

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-10-16 22:48

you deserved getting your car keyed for being wuss and stupid. you don't even have judgment of whats dangerous and what's not. i don't even know how the hell can u survive.... you'd probably call 911 if someone bumped into you in a mall or something and think they are trying to kill you.

he is riding a bike and you can't get rid of him... and you actually stop on the side of the road waiting for him to come key your car. and you expect someone in a call center can really give you good advice.

seriously, you are just wasting the cop's time.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2008-10-17 02:24

feel sorry for what had happened to you. however, just couldn't understand why you didn't just get rid of him since he was on bike.

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作者: GAClone 時間: 2008-10-17 11:04

just learn from this experience and take it as a valuable lesson la~ it's already happened, no point to feel down about it now.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2008-10-17 13:32

Thank you for sharing your incident. Feel sad for you both! No one get hurt is good; it's just the car!

It's a good idea to drive away from that area for a few minutes and return then you don't have to confront that crazy cyclist!

Better luck next time!

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