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作者: heykevin    時間: 2008-10-20 21:51     標題: 馮永發搞「兩蚊店」王國? 曾想收購無銚

港人馮永發（Thomas）曾被美國《時代雜誌》選為加拿大最有影響力人物之一，唔
好以為呢個名好陌生，佢係已故低調富豪馮景禧_大公子，佢尋日接受一個節目訪問
時話，唔想再講兩年前傳出佢同新地郭氏兄弟聯手收購邵氏，只係話呢單交易牽涉
第三者。

不過，佢就大講金融海嘯，自爆一年前睇財經雜誌分析，已預知全球金融體系會爆
煲，一早停止投資地產，又叫太太唔好再買股票、債券，成功避過一劫，但佢_溫哥
華同多倫多仍有地產項目已經動土，篋緊會減慢工程進度，多__現金_手，唔會亂投
資。

佢又話，篋緊想大搞「兩蚊店」，出售幾萬種平價用品，目標係美加、東歐同南美
市場，依家_日本已有旗艦店，佢家瑤_加國亦有傳媒王國，旗下電視台、電台同中
文雜誌，今次再戰消費市場，真係百足咁多爪。

**
        陳志雲昨日錄影《志雲飯局》，請了新時代集團主席馮永發作嘉賓。馮永發在90年
代購入了章小蕙父親經營的加拿大電視台，開設北美洲主題中心時代坊，很多香港
藝人到了加拿大都替他工作。他的父親是馮景禧，與郭氏兄弟父親成立新鴻基集團，
06年他與郭氏兄弟曾斟洽收購無銚。他想開拍部西片，片中要找個中國人女主角，
陳志雲提議找廖碧兒，但馮永發稱因為劇情是講述中國，都是想找國內女
演員，他指找過孫麗、周迅，但她們已是紅星身價高，部片只是中投資製
作，請不起她們。
作者: mollinbaggio    時間: 2008-10-21 00:59     標題: 有乜咁威水

唔知有乜咁威水?時代坊曲高和寡,成日比人話無野買.係電台裡面做又係minimum pay.幫佢打工好鬼un.
作者: news    時間: 2008-10-21 06:41

the $2 store...isnt it daiso?
作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2008-10-21 06:50

原帖由 mollinbaggio 於 2008-10-21 01:59 發表
唔知有乜咁威水?時代坊曲高和寡,成日比人話無野買.係電台裡面做又係minimum pay.幫佢打工好鬼un.


I don't know him that well, but it always give me the feeling that he's 為富不仁
作者: fibbi    時間: 2008-10-21 09:34

做老闆，又有邊個人真係有良心。。。都係掙錢至上啦
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-10-21 10:55

In the biz world...there's only biz "ethics"....no morality la...LOL
作者: puZZle    時間: 2008-10-21 11:12

and "ethics" is very subjective too
作者: sunmoon    時間: 2008-10-21 13:05

原帖由 mollinbaggio 於 2008-10-21 01:59 發表
唔知有乜咁威水?時代坊曲高和寡,成日比人話無野買.係電台裡面做又係minimum pay.幫佢打工好鬼un.


if minimum pay, that means employees bring money to work then? they need to dress up for functions, variety shows woh...
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-21 19:16

我覺得LYK真係好反"廢柴"反"馮永發"
雖然我唔係好明, 但係睇起上嚟"廢柴"都真係幾乞人憎, 個尕一出就好似過街老鼠咁.
作者: pepsis2    時間: 2008-10-21 19:57

日本 daiso belongs to 馮永發????
I dont' believe it. It's like anywhere in Japan. If he owns all the daiso... hahhaa.. he's super super rich.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-21 20:32

原帖由 pepsis2 於 2008-10-21 20:57 發表
日本 daiso belongs to 馮永發????
I dont' believe it. It's like anywhere in Japan. If he owns all the daiso... hahhaa.. he's super super rich.

no la, 兩蚊店 is different from Daiso, there is one inside International Village close to SUCCESS. The product is slightly better than Daiso.
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-21 21:58

原帖由 starbug 於 21-10-2008 20:32 發表

no la, 兩蚊店 is different from Daiso, there is one inside International Village close to SUCCESS. The product is slightly better than Daiso.



They are the same.. they also sell Daiso stuff...(under the same boss)..they want to expand Daiso to Toronto...but it didn't work out...if no Daiso..aberdeen is a failure.. Daiso Japan used to give them North America franchaise...but now Daiso Japan give up..and open the USA market theirselves... Fairchild spends more than 5 years to operate this tiny Daiso..but cannot open a new store for Daiso in Canada...they have so many problems there...all they can do is Yokoyaya... and Menji...Menji is just a trial store for them to import cheap stuff from china..
作者: 大KK    時間: 2008-10-21 22:25

the way the article written sounded like mr fung OWN daiso... misleading and plain shoe shine
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-22 00:18

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-21 22:58 發表



They are the same.. they also sell Daiso stuff...(under the same boss)..they want to expand Daiso to Toronto...but it didn't work out...if no Daiso..aberdeen is a failure.. Daiso Japan used to give ...


Comeon, what's wrong with Meiji selling products from China? Even at Daiso, some products are from China.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-22 08:23

There is nothing wrong with selling cheap stuff.
These cheap stuff makes the most money.
問題係發左財唔識立品
淨係識沽名釣譽
原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-22 01:18 發表


Comeon, what's wrong with Meiji selling products from China? Even at Daiso, some products are from China.
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-22 09:12

原帖由 peter236 於 22-10-2008 00:18 發表


Comeon, what's wrong with Meiji selling products from China? Even at Daiso, some products are from China.


If you do not know anything.. please keep quiet and read.. and start using ur brain to think deeply.. dun be so navie by just looking from the outside.. (you won't look more brighter or attractive even though you keep arguing and express ur naive comments...if you want someone to pay attention to you, and you want a lot of attention..please open up your own post..and express your brilliant ideas)

Do you actually know why they want to open Food Planet, Menji, Yokoyaya, etc? I am not a fairchild worker.. but i know that most of the stores at aberdeen is owned by Fairchild coz they dun want the mall look empty.. with no attractions.. u think the stores that they open got a lot of sales.. they earn the most from Daiso.. (but not all sales revenue go to them directly.. some of the money need to go back to Daiso Japan).. what if Daiso Japan wants to take back the franchaise.. and open the stores by themselves in Canada.. (just like the USA..where they opened around 9 stores (in West Coast) within these 3 yrs.. on the other side..Daiso Canada is still the only store in Canada (with the great management from Fairchild)

Obviously, the main purpose for Daiso Japan is to expand their stores into the rest of the world...and the main purpose for Fairchild is to maintain their Aberdeen Center..
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 09:43

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 10:12 發表


If you do not know anything.. please keep quiet and read.. and start using ur brain to think deeply.. dun be so navie by just looking from the outside.. (you won't look more brighter or attractive e ...

Make sense.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 10:31

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 10:12 發表


If you do not know anything.. please keep quiet and read.. and start using ur brain to think deeply.. dun be so navie by just looking from the outside.. (you won't look more brighter or attractive e ...


小叻 is sounding like an ass. "what if Daiso Japan wants to take back the franchaise.. and open the stores by themselves in Canada.. " Do you know about the details of the contract between Daiso and Aberdeen? You are just like everyone else on this forum looking from the outside. Maybe you are the one that's being navie. You said you are not working for Fairchild and then you are making all these assumptions. For not being an employee of Fairchild just won't make your points more valid. For example, "I don't work for IBM. You are stupid." It just doens't make any sense.

Reading your post is very confusing, it doesn't have a clear point and your thoughts are jumping all over the place. At first it seems like you want to attack Peter236's post. "Comeon, what's wrong with Meiji selling products from China? Even at Daiso, some products are from China." Just a little suggestion for you. If you want to attack a point, you might want to point out what's wrong it. You have never mentioned a word about what is wrong with Meiji selling products from China. All you have said in your post is to point out Peter236 is stupid, he's navie and he should shut up and read. However, you failed to provide any back-ups for supporting yourself.

Your 2nd paragraph is a little bit better. I assume you were trying to explain why Fairchild wants to open up Food Planet, Menji, Yokoyaya, etc. To sum up, I think you were trying to say all those stores are not there for making profit. They are just there to fill up the empty stores in Aberdeen. Daiso is where they are making most of their money from. It would be fine if you ended your paragraph there but you didn't. You started another point by saying the "what if... " and you also ended it with just that.
Just so you know, "What if .... " is never a good way to sum up a paragraph. "What if the world is gonna explode..."  It's just pointless to say "What if..." without further backing it up with facts or valid quotes from a valid source.

Your conclusion is "Obviously, the main purpose for Daiso Japan is to expand their stores into the rest of the world...and the main purpose for Fairchild is to maintain their Aberdeen Center..". It just makes me mad seeing another statement without even a little bit of support. You said it's obvious Daiso Japan wants to expand their franchise to the rest of the world. Are you the CEO of Daiso? Why do you make such assumption and think it's obvious ?? The North American market isn't the rest of the world. Do they want to have stores in Africa, Philippine, Brazil, German and the rest of the world ?? Considering the cost for transportation, fluctuated exchange rate and difficulty in managment, I don't think DAISO Japan can 100% be sure they want to expand their franchise to the rest of the world. It's a very bold statement for you to say it's obvious for Daiso Japan to expand their stores into the rest of the world.

For the 2nd part of your conclusion, The main purpose for Fairchild is to maintain their Aberdeen Center, I guess I just don't need to say more about this. It just not making any sense at all. If they want to maintain the mall, I guess they have the maintenance department to take care of it. I assume Fairchild might instead want to make Aberdeen Centre profitable ??

[ 本帖最後由 akshea 於 2008-10-22 11:34 編輯 ]
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-22 11:01

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 10:12 發表


If you do not know anything.. please keep quiet and read.. and start using ur brain to think deeply.. dun be so navie by just looking from the outside.. (you won't look more brighter or attractive e ...


Comeon, you are so stupid. You misunderstood what I said. I don't even care if Fairchild is successful in managing Daiso or if Daiso is going to take back the franchise. What I said was that there is nothing wrong with Menji or any store selling products from China.
We all know many stores in Aberdeen were opened by Fairchild themselves. So what is new and smart about that? You sounded only you know about this exciting piece of news.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-22 12:04 編輯 ]
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 11:05

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-22 12:01 發表


Comeon, you are so stupid. You misunderstood what I said. I don't even care if Fairchild is successful in managing Daiso or if Daiso is going to take back the franchise. What I said was that there i ...


Exactly.. He said you are stupid without saying why. He's the one tat's stupid. lol
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-22 11:12

原帖由 akshea 於 22-10-2008 10:31 發表


小叻 is sounding like an ass. "what if Daiso Japan wants to take back the franchaise.. and open the stores by themselves in Canada.. " Do you know about the details of the contract between Daiso and ...


I don't understand why u need to be so mad about this? ? Calm down..

i was trying to list out all my thinkings.. and i am not writing an essay here..just a quick post. (sorry that I am not that organize) .i wrote "i am not working at faichild". means that these are all my assumptions.. and if my writing confuse you .. sorry.. but i was not submitting an essay here..

different ppl have different pt of view.. and for me.. i think fairchild did not do a good job.. Daiso do have other branches outside Japan and North America..(so i assume they are trying to expand to the rest of the world) I heard that they even have one in Dubai..

back to the pt abt attacking peter..please look back to his previous posts..he simply loves to argue..no matter what the topic is..and no matter if he really knows abt it.. this is his first impression to me..
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 11:21

"If they want to maintain the mall, I guess they have the maintenance department to take care of it."

"Maintain the mall" here means financially but not physically as building maintenance, there is nothing to do with the maintenance crew.

"I assume Fairchild might instead want to make Aberdeen Centre profitable ??"
非不欲, 實不能也. 整個"蝕到慌"其實係一個洗濕個頭之作, 當初就可能有D理想嘅, 但加埋一班眼高手低同志大才疏嘅擦鞋仔, 想有好日子過就難囉.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-22 11:35

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-22 12:21 發表
"If they want to maintain the mall, I guess they have the maintenance department to take care of it."

"Maintain the mall" here means financially but not physically as building maintenance, there is n ...


how should the mall improve to make it better?
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-10-22 11:49

I think pricing has to be more compeitive to stay in business...today consumers have too many ways to buy cheap stuff...they don't need to walk out of their rooms.... but with the blood sucking rent the shops need to pay...it's not very possible...so dead water...

next would be product varieties and uniqueness

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-10-22 12:51 編輯 ]
作者: goldie    時間: 2008-10-22 12:56

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 10:12 發表
If you do not know anything.. please keep quiet and read.. and start using ur brain to think deeply ...


I object to 小叻 saying we should keep quiet and read.
Even dumb people have the right to say what they want.
Do you know what freedom of speech means?
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 13:11

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 12:12 發表


I don't understand why u need to be so mad about this? ? Calm down..

i was trying to list out all my thinkings.. and i am not writing an essay here..just a quick post. (sorry that I am not that org ...


I just don't like ppl being rude, saying other ppl stupid just coz they feel like it. It's ok to say someone is stupid but please provide a reason.
作者: pepsis2    時間: 2008-10-22 13:13

daiso in Toronto??? don't dream much.. well.. if & only if they can beat the big brother $1 dollarama stuffs.. which sells good quality & only $1... although the display is not as attractive as the daiso one (so they may still have a little chance) but the price is like 50% off & dollarama is like everywhere in east coast with so many famous brands (i never figure out how can they buy those brands in this cheap price & resell in the market)...
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 13:14     標題: 回復 23# 的帖子

事到如今, 回天乏術, 已經過哂挽救期, 成為一班擦鞋仔嘅樂園.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 13:15

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-22 12:21 發表
"If they want to maintain the mall, I guess they have the maintenance department to take care of it."

"Maintain the mall" here means financially but not physically as building maintenance, there is n ...


Haha.. I was just teasing her.. come on.. It's just an example of asking her to further develope her thought and not just throwing out one statement and thinking she's a smartest one on earth.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 13:24

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-22 09:23 發表
There is nothing wrong with selling cheap stuff.
These cheap stuff makes the most money.
問題係發左財唔識立品
淨係識沽名釣譽

沽名釣譽呢個係個人喜好,冇乜問題.
發財立品呢就個老細可能有, 或者扮有. 不過身邊班擦鞋仔就同佢倒米, 搞到D公眾形象P晒K.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 14:01

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-22 14:15 發表


Haha.. I was just teasing her.. come on.. It's just an example of asking her to further develope her thought and not just throwing out one statement and thinking she's a smartest one on earth.

Ah.., I should reinvent my sense of humor.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-22 14:09

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-22 14:11 發表


I just don't like ppl being rude, saying other ppl stupid just coz they feel like it. It's ok to say someone is stupid but please provide a reason.


this is a forum, if not violating any laws or something....
Clown:"Why so serious?"

u can say whoever stupid with/without a reason
why? come on, we are always asked for reasons for everything in real-life, gimme a break in cyberworld, ok?
作者: heykevin    時間: 2008-10-22 15:10

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-22 12:35 發表


how should the mall improve to make it better?

bring us back the theatre and the bowling centre!
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 16:05

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-22 15:09 發表


this is a forum, if not violating any laws or something....
Clown:"Why so serious?"

u can say whoever stupid with/without a reason
why? come on, we are always asked for reasons for everything in re ...


I agree with you but it's a total different story in regards to respecting other forum members.
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-22 16:05

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-22 14:24 發表

沽名釣譽呢個係個人喜好,冇乜問題.
發財立品呢就個老細可能有, 或者扮有. 不過身邊班擦鞋仔就同佢倒米, 搞到D公眾形象P晒K.


How do you know all these details? Do you work for Fairchild?
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-22 16:08

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-22 14:15 發表


Haha.. I was just teasing her.. come on.. It's just an example of asking her to further develope her thought and not just throwing out one statement and thinking she's a smartest one on earth.


Yeah, she misunderstood what I said. I don't even care if Fairchild is successful in managing Daiso or if Daiso is going to take back the franchise. What I said was that there is nothing wrong with Menji or any store selling products from China.
We all know that many stores in Aberdeen were opened by Fairchild themselves. So what is new and smart about that?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-22 16:41

原帖由 heykevin 於 2008-10-22 16:10 發表

bring us back the theatre and the bowling centre!

bowling center? I dunno, I missed that in old aberdeen place too

but about theatre, I dun tihnk they will bring it back for almost sure while BT is very common
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-22 16:58

原帖由 akshea 於 22-10-2008 16:05 發表


I agree with you but it's a total different story in regards to respecting other forum members.


If you are respecting forum members.. i would assume you won't use any rude words such as "ass". I can see how polite you are too. Don't pretend you are the most polite human being on earth.
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-22 17:04

原帖由 peter236 於 22-10-2008 16:08 發表


Yeah, she misunderstood what I said. I don't even care if Fairchild is successful in managing Daiso or if Daiso is going to take back the franchise. What I said was that there is nothing wrong with  ...


Sorry if i misunderstood what you said.. everyone knows that many stores in Aberdeen were opened by Fairchild themselves.. I am not saying that this is a news.. but i was trying to say that Fairchild is not a sucessful business operator as per the news posted on#1. You misunderstood what I said too.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-22 17:15

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-22 17:58 發表


If you are respecting forum members.. i would assume you won't use any rude words such as "ass". I can see how polite you are too. Don't pretend you are the most polite human being on earth.


Well I couldn't find a better descriptive word to describe your act. "ass" in my sentence wasn't address you as a person. It was used to describe your act. Technically, I didn't call you a ass. It's just the things that you said which makes you like an ass.

Just so you know Polite and Respect are two different things. You can look up the dictionary for proper definitions.

Also, where did I say I am the most polite human being on earth ?? You seriously got a problem reading / understanding other people's message.

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作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-22 20:31     標題: 回復 35# 的帖子

LYK每隔幾日就有人出post 鬧"廢柴", 真係聽到我識背, 点會唔熟?
而且"廢柴"祗係然我見過無數賤格企業中嘅"版", 簡直好似有晒劇本咁, 我仲可以預言佢係唔死得咖, 皆因"人賤勝天" 同" 人賤得人敬" 呢两個末世金句.
佢哋祗會繼續搾乾,玩死D自願仆埋去賣命嘅理想青年同廉價勞工, 咁又捱過一年又一年.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-22 20:41

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-22 21:31 發表
LYK每隔幾日就有人出post 鬧"廢柴", 真係聽到我識背, 点會唔熟?
而且"廢柴"祗係然我見過無數賤格企業中嘅"版", 簡直好似有晒劇本咁, 我仲可以預言佢係唔死得咖, 皆因"人賤勝天" 同" 人賤得人敬" 呢两個末世金句.
佢 ...



yes, cos there are some youngsters dream that they can be popular DJ in hk (e.g. 余而發) after they spent a few years in local radio station
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-23 13:23

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-22 21:41 發表



yes, cos there are some youngsters dream that they can be popular DJ in hk (e.g. 余而發) after they spent a few years in local radio station


呢D叫發夢青年, 唔係理想青年, 死咗唔駛可憐.
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-23 17:00

hahaha, if you guys hate Fairchild so much, just don't listen to their radio or TV. Then do not go to Aberdeen Center. But the whiners keep on listening to Fairchild radio and TV.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-23 20:24

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-23 18:00 發表
hahaha, if you guys hate Fairchild so much, just don't listen to their radio or TV. Then do not go to Aberdeen Center. But the whiners keep on listening to Fairchild radio and TV.


Let me try to explain this, for example, you may not like that ugly whore, but since she is pretty much the only one in town, then you just have to go with eyes closed and the worst part is you still have to pay her or you don't get entertainment.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2008-10-23 20:46

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-23 21:24 發表


Let me try to explain this, for example, you may not like that ugly whore, but since she is pretty much the only one in town, then you just have to go with eyes closed and the worst part is you stil ...

Paying? Are you kidding? I do go to AbbaDeen centre though
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-24 07:53

I go to Abardeen  center every weekend.
I go to 飲茶，I go to window shopping,
I park my car in their parking lot and .......
I show to my ex now you are working, I am enjoying.

Even I hang around in the food court, I don't drink 雪花冰 唔食日本野 唔買 puff.
吹呀
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-24 08:01

吹得好!
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-24 08:06

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2008-10-23 21:46 發表

Paying? Are you kidding? I do go to AbbaDeen centre though


唉, 你估我想畀嘅咩, 咁睇中文台都要畀錢啩.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-24 08:18

Peter仔
你去七重天度跳老舞啦
踩"lum"佢
原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-23 18:00 發表
hahaha, if you guys hate Fairchild so much, just don't listen to their radio or TV. Then do not go to Aberdeen Center. But the whiners keep on listening to Fairchild radio and TV.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-24 08:53

其實 Abardeen 個 parking lot都做左D野
嚴禁D廢豺員工泊車嚮果度 見一架拖一架
放假番去飲茶都唔放過 照拖
留番D位俾我地去行mall
大公無私 做得好
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-24 09:12

I am not a fan of Fairchild and It might be pretty hard to find a real fan in Vancouver that would say they really enjoy what Fairchild has brought them.

In a way, I am feeling sorry for Fairchild for taking all these judgment from the chinese community in Canada. We are always comparing Fairchild and TVB but we just can't do that. Fairchild started in 1993 and TVB started in the 1960's. It really takes time, $$ and efford to develop the talents they have in TVB.

Another factor is weather if it make sense to invest so much $$ in this Chinese market in Canada. The same commercial playing on TVB would have over 6 million watching... but as in here Vancouver, there are only 400,000 Chinese and among those more than half would be watching the other 300 channels over Bell, Shaw or other illegal US broadcasting stations. We have CBC news, Hockey Night, Canadian Idols, HEROS on and on ... How can the production from fairchild be up to par with all these other productions.

The money they generate from their production couldn't afford them to pay high $$ to their employees. For example, Fairchild is offering $1000 for 10 of their commerical spots.. while in HK they are charging $1000 for maybe 0.0003 of a sec.

I think Vancouver is a very difficult market if you can't hit the mainstream. I just couldn't think of any successful business in Vancouver that is just focusing on the minority. By Successful I am measuring base on the protential to become comparable with other mainstream company in the same field.

Feel free to discuss my points but please keep it friendly. ^,^

[ 本帖最後由 akshea 於 2008-10-24 10:15 編輯 ]
作者: masterbear    時間: 2008-10-24 09:37

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-24 09:53 發表
其實 Abardeen 個 parking lot都做左D野
嚴禁D廢豺員工泊車嚮果度 見一架拖一架
放假番去飲茶都唔放過 照拖
留番D位俾我地去行mall
大公無私 做得好

Really? Then they have quite a bit of staffs including TV station, where do they park ar? Even not too many places or lots around there anymore!!
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-24 11:03     標題: 回復 53# 的帖子

有好多會拍係殯儀館個條街~
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-24 16:08

原帖由 小叻 於 2008-10-24 12:03 發表
有好多會拍係殯儀館個條街~


會唔會係廢柴員工福利之一.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-24 17:20     標題: 回復 52# 的帖子

Actually, they want to mislead that they are part of TVB and may be you think you are watching a oversea's version of TVB
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-25 14:40     標題: 回復 56# 的帖子

Nice try, I think some C9 will buy their story.
作者: Serenade    時間: 2008-10-25 19:02     標題: 回復 52# 的帖子

Do you know... TVB is a free TV station? and you are paying for Fairchild right?
What part of the situation do you not understand?

You are paying QUITE A BIT for Fairchild TV you know? Unless you are not the one paying the bills, there is no reason for you to defend for them. So you are paying a TV station to air originally FREE TV programmes in HK and on top of that, get forced to watch crappy commercials with Dr. Jamie telling you how much he is paying Fairchild for these self-satisfying commercials of his.

Fairchild IS NOT part of TVB. You are paying 20-30 bucks a month for Fairchild's crappy + unimportant TV programmes and 2-3 years old TVB dramas that are not even worth watching. Not to mention how they pool the same news information with the radios, earning them double the money. Look at the bigger picture man... My family already cancelled Fairchild just because it's a dumb idea, maybe you should do the same too?

[ 本帖最後由 Serenade 於 2008-10-26 12:04 編輯 ]
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 00:40     標題: 回復 58# 的帖子

TVB is free yes; for fairchild you have to pay for it, yes, but they didn't Make you pay that money. You have the option to not paying it. There must be a reason when someone is paying those BIG money each month to watch Fairchild. Some is too lazy to rent or download those 2-3 years old TVB Dramas; some is too lazy to buy a newspaper for news report; some is too lazy to learn English and watch the English media.

Think of it this way, if people are not paying 20 - 30 a month Fairchild probably won't be even be here anymore. There wont' be any chinese channel available other than the MultiCultural Channel. How would it affect the chinese community. Through what other channel can people communicate in the Chinese community.

I an not trying to defend Fairchild. I just want to discuss about it. I am a Communication Major at SFU and I always find it interesting to discuss about the media and how it affects the community.

[ 本帖最後由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 01:46 編輯 ]
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 06:55

等我中英對照解釋多次呢個現像: 當全城淨得一隻雞, 仲要係獨市雞喎, 咁你就要焗住幫趁, 無論佢服務態度幾差, 質素幾低. 一係你就騎馬過第二個城幫趁 ( 比作唔怕麻煩自已download).

Let me try to explain this, for example, you may not like that uglywhore, but since she is pretty much the only one in town, then you justhave to go with eyes closed and the worst part is you still have to payher or you don't get entertainment.

唉, 你求其問個牛頭角順嫂呀, 砵蘭街馬伕呀咁都解到畀你聽点解喇, 唔駛番SFU 開topic研究喇.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2008-10-26 09:24     標題: 回復 59# 的帖子

I live in Vancouver for 32 years and never feel the need to subscribe to Chinese Channel. I have been guest on 30 FTV  shows , 100+ talkshows on both radio
stations plus Channel M  so I think I've seen everything.  Just do not expect too
much for local ethnic media service.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 11:02

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-26 07:55 發表
等我中英對照解釋多次呢個現像: 當全城淨得一隻雞, 仲要係獨市雞喎, 咁你就要焗住幫趁, 無論佢服務態度幾差, 質素幾低. 一係你就騎馬過第二個城幫趁 ( 比作唔怕麻煩自已download).

Let me try to explain this, for ...


Well as i mentioned earlier, the Chinese market here is just too small. It just wouldn't make sense to have multiple Chinese TV Stations in here. Other than HK, where else can you find a decent Chinese TV Stations in other "non-chinese" country? Would Chinese Stations in France, England, Brazil, Australia be any better than FTV ?? All I am saying, it's the nature of this market. It's just not worth the investment. As a side note, can you guys list out what do you expect FTV to do to satisfy you guys as a subscriber of their channel. ie. no local commercials ?? HK quality soap opera ?? HD broadcasting ?? up to date HK drama ??

As a reference to other chinese station, If any one have experience with the chinese TV stations in the US, please feel free to bring it up. I believe they are funded by China and people were saying they are a lot better than FTV. Can someone please inform us about their own productions in the US and their commercial quality ? Would they provide their own production like FTV does ?? How's their local commercials compared to the one in here ??

Thanks
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 12:36     標題: 回復 62# 的帖子

Get real la. 你去問下D正常人類有邊個會去睇 廢柴 自已製作嘅節目啦, 新秀? C9教煮餸?
新聞都係焗住睇架咋.

講起新聞就火都嚟,  廢柴簡直就侮辱咗中文傳媒, 今個月有單响Richmond 某華人市塲一單相當複雜嘅傷人案, 廢柴簡直就提都唔提, 我嘅感覺就係一係哋D記者廢柴, 一係就有人唔想單嘢見光, 但係D洋人傳媒就冇面畀登晒出嚟, 我身為一個華人死八公, 要由一個洋人同事嚟講番我聽先知有等單咁嘅嘢.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 13:46

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-26 13:36 發表
Get real la. 你去問下D正常人類有邊個會去睇 廢柴 自已製作嘅節目啦, 新秀? C9教煮餸?
新聞都係焗住睇架咋.

講起新聞就火都嚟,  廢柴簡直就侮辱咗中文傳媒, 今個月有單响Richmond 某華人市塲一單相當複雜嘅傷人案, ...


so you are saying all those that watch 新秀 and C9教煮餸 are not 正常 ??
Have you watched them before ??
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-26 13:50

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 12:02 發表


Well as i mentioned earlier, the Chinese market here is just too small. It just wouldn't make sense to have multiple Chinese TV Stations in here. Other than HK, where else can you find a decent Chin ...


Yeah, can people find any good local Japananese, Korean or Indian TV stations in North America? Of course it is difficult to find those outside of Asia. Those bashers of Fairchild are just stupid.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 14:05

Just imagine Vancouver without FTV.. no more chinese news, no more TVB dramas.. Is that what you guys want ?? .. I think before you guys complaining this and that.. Just answer my questions earlier. What do you guys want or expect from FTV ... in a chinese market like Vancouver.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 14:05

我睇過新秀一次, 半塲之後我就頂唔順走開咗, 主人家亦以人道立塲轉台.
至於C9教煮餸, 我就真係冇聽過有人會日光日白咁得閒, 又唔駛do 咁去睇. 當你係番夜嘅都唔會睇啦.

正唔正常哩呢D純粹係個人標準, 之不過我就認為係相當合理.
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 14:18

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 15:05 發表
Just imagine Vancouver without FTV.. no more chinese news, no more TVB dramas.. Is that what you guys want ?? .. I think before you guys complaining this and that.. Just answer my questions earlier. W ...


Just imagine Vancouver without FTV??
嘩, 乜你講到廢柴TV好似救世主咁, 冇咗佢你哋D蟻民就會死咁.  好, 就imagine Vancouver 冇咗 廢柴, 咁就自不然會有新台架啦, 起碼有D新希望吖. 最好就一齊嚟.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 14:33

How come u are so negative and stubborn about this whole FTV issue. hahaha lol.. What do you want and expect from a chinese TV station in a North America City. Who is stupid enough to setup a 新台 in Vancouver ?? It's just not profitable. Fairchild is just one of the political move by 馮永發. FTV is just here to for him to tell the world he cares about the chinese culture.

Really, please don't be so stubborn and keep bashing. Have really ask yourself what do you want from FTV. If you have control of FTV what would you do to make it better.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 14:37     標題: 回復 67# 的帖子

C9教煮餸 is for C9 .. for those that has nothing to do at home in the morning. sigh... you are being too extreme and not discussing the issue rationally.
作者: Serenade    時間: 2008-10-26 14:38

Oh... So akshea, you are a SFU Communications major... then you should be quite familiar with media responsibility then! The media has the responsibility to report with a general unbiased perspective right? clearly, Fairchild is in violation of that rule. Have you ever heard of any possible negative news against the Fairchild group on their TV channel? NONE! The shooting down at Aberdeen Center? OOPS, I am sorry, our reporters didn't get there in time, therefore we didn't get to report it in the news! I mean... come on, what part of the problem don't you get? It has nothing to do with whether the market is not worth investing, we are arguing how it is a media monopoly and tyrannism here. I do not mind so much about the TVB dramas, and frankly, I don't even watch them because most of them are crudely made anyways. (with the exception of a few spetacular production, probably once a year) But the least Fairchild could do is give the general public a better news report. People do not have much of a choice for Chinese TV news. And most people just rely on that one single source that they pay for: Fairchild. Especially the older generation who have less ability to determine whether the news they are watching is reliable or not. With Fairchild's way of doing their news, the Chinese media is pretty much sealed in.

On top of that, it is not that the market is not worth investing in, Fairchild is earning A LOT of money from the TV station. With the amount of money that they receive from their sponsors, commercials and subscribers, this is a HUGE business. The problem is that, the TVB dramas are solely contracted to be supplied to Fairchild. No other TV stations are allowed to air the shows. So basically... anyone who even remotely wants to invest on a new TV station will have to go through the government for multiple broadcasting licenses and Fairchilds monopoly before they can start.

Go and do more research before you make any statement... I am a communcations major too, you need to look at the bigger picture, not the smaller one.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-26 14:47     標題: 回復 63# 的帖子

今日下晝0禁0岩有人嚮蝕到慌跳樓死0左
佢地獨家現場第一時間都唔報
你話佢地新聞係以咩泥做標準去報定唔報
係選擇性 同有關蝕到慌負面既 都唔報
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-26 15:00

講真 佢都唔知幾想賣左佢
不過 獅子開大口
咪冇人問津0羅
如果成個集團叫media group都冇電視 電台既話
叫咩傳媒集團呀
呢D叫騎虎難下
SFU係冇人識教
原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 15:33 發表
How come u are so negative and stubborn about this whole FTV issue. hahaha lol.. What do you want and expect from a chinese TV station in a North America City. Who is stupid enough to setup a 新台 in  ...
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-26 15:00

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-26 15:47 發表
今日下晝0禁0岩有人嚮蝕到慌跳樓死0左
佢地獨家現場第一時間都唔報
你話佢地新聞係以咩泥做標準去報定唔報
係選擇性 同有關蝕到慌負面既 都唔報


are u saying they didnt mention it in the news report on 96.1?
I dunno, well, I dont like 1470 at all, but I think they didnt report it in the news PROBABLY becos the cops told them not to do it
as u know, the rcmp always like to seal the criminal news like the chinese 公安 do
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 15:06

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-26 15:38 發表
Oh... So akshea, you are a SFU Communications major... then you should be quite familiar with media responsibility then! The media has the responsibility to report with a general unbiased perspective  ...


Thank you for the post. This is a more educated and worth reading post than the other ones which only bashing about Fairchild without any plausible reasoning. This is an open topic for everyone and it's very interesting to see other people's view on this topic. I agree from the news stand point their are totally lacking media responsibility. I personally don't really spend time watching their stuff. haha.. so I wouldn't know how badly their news cover is. I remember back in the first year of communications they taught about the gate keeper. That's the position who decided weather a news should be reported or not. Of course from the stand point of FTV it's for their own interest to not report any negative news about their corporation. It's understandable but it's not acceptable of course. That would be one of the major area they should be improved on. Totally agree.

I do however want to know where did you get your source for saying they are making tones of money off their TV stations. Can you give us a little ball part figure of how much profit they making annually ??

Also for the TVB drama contract and other broadcasting licenses concern, I think that's just part of the game. If it's in fact a Chinese TV Station is so profitable in Canada, I don't understand why all those legal licensing would become a concern. Again, I haven't done my research here. It's been 6 years after I graduated from SFU. I dont' really wanna start researching anymoore. haha it's good to discuss about it just for fun however. hahha

[ 本帖最後由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 16:09 編輯 ]
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-26 15:10

don't be so naive
RCMP cannot stop anybody to report news.
It is  "public interest".
They can only suggest you not to told the public the victim's name or background before the next of kin is noted. Even you have done so, they can't do anything.
原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-26 16:00 發表


are u saying they didnt mention it in the news report on 96.1?
I dunno, well, I dont like 1470 at all, but I think they didnt report it in the news PROBABLY becos the cops told them not to do it
as  ...
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 15:14

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-26 16:00 發表

SFU係冇人識教
...


Lol .. you are pretty funny..
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 15:24

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-26 15:38 發表
Oh... So akshea, you are a SFU Communications major... then you should be quite familiar with media responsibility then! The media has the responsibility to report with a general unbiased perspective  ...


所似我話廢柴簡直就侮辱咗中文傳媒.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-26 15:24

你話俾我聽
你識得邊個係有讀過新聞或者相關學系畢業架
可以話無
原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2008-10-26 10:24 發表
I live in Vancouver for 32 years and never feel the need to subscribe to Chinese Channel. I have been guest on 30 FTV  shows , 100+ talkshows on both radio
stations plus Channel M  so I think I've see ...
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 15:38

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 15:33 發表
How come u are so negative and stubborn about this whole FTV issue. hahaha lol.. What do you want and expect from a chinese TV station in a North America City. Who is stupid enough to setup a 新台 in  ...

吓? 我吔係畀錢嗰個, 個service provider 做得唔好就要講架喇, 要点做好D係廢柴要諗嘅問題, 或者係D理想青年做功課諗嘅問題, 作為消費者我好哋聽嘅就叫提供意見, 唔好聽嘅就叫做"插", 我已經好rational 咁插架喇.
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 15:51

原帖由 starbug 於 2008-10-26 16:38 發表

吓? 我吔係畀錢嗰個, 個service provider 做得唔好就要講架喇, 要点做好D係廢柴要諗嘅問題, 或者係D理想青年做功課諗嘅問題, 作為消費者我好哋聽嘅就叫提供意見, 唔好聽嘅就叫做"插", 我已經好rational 咁插架喇. ...


Of course you can say whatever you want. It's called freedom of speech here. You can 插 all you want and I respect that.
what we are saying here is pointless anyways.. You can bash what you want and things is just not gonna change. That's reality. haha which sucks..
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2008-10-26 15:54     標題: 回復 79# 的帖子

I have friends at both stations, and they are nice people.
Professionalism? no comment
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-26 15:59

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 16:51 發表

Of course you can say whatever you want. It's called freedom of speech here. You can 插 all you want and I respect that.
what we are saying here is pointless anyways.. You can bash what you want and things is just not gonna change. That's reality. haha which sucks..



唔好辦到好似係度玩力性討論啦
你咪一樣係度piss off其他人,家陣玩forum呀﹐你估而家叫你考o的要你俾reason既
exam 呀?
下下講野要有point﹐有support﹐你不如去玩大學辯論會啦。唔好係度吹水啦
作者: akshea    時間: 2008-10-26 16:11

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-26 16:59 發表



唔好辦到好似係度玩力性討論啦
你咪一樣係度piss off其他人,家陣玩forum呀﹐你估而家叫你考o的要你俾reason既
exam 呀?
下下講野要有point﹐有support﹐你不如去玩大學辯論會啦。唔好係度吹水啦 ...


I wasn't here to piss off other people. I have mentioned so many times. I just want to discuss about the issue and I do find it fun to see other people's view on the topic.

Sorry if I have pissed you off. I just thought it's pretty meaningless to say something which has no point at all.

I have seen people posting things like this. "You are stupid. why ? I don't know, just coz I think you are stupid."

Post like this is just wasting people's time to even bother to visit the site.

I guess I will just quit posting here and wasting you guys time. I won't interrupt you guys 吹水. sorry.
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-26 16:16

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 17:11 發表


I wasn't here to piss off other people.

Sorry if I have pissed  ...

唔.......  係唔係思覺失調呢?
作者: starbug    時間: 2008-10-26 18:01

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-10-26 17:16 發表

唔.......  係唔係思覺失調呢?


又一個响中央精神病唍做研究工作嘅 - 畀人研究.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-26 18:39

原帖由 akshea 於 2008-10-26 17:11 發表


I wasn't here to piss off other people. I have mentioned so many times. I just want to discuss about the issue and I do find it fun to see other people's view on the topic.

Sorry if I have pissed  ...


I am not pissed off, cos i know that post from yours is not targeting to me
but I found out if I am the one who you were trying to reply to, I would probably pissed off

I just thought it's pretty meaningless to say something which has no point at all.


posts with pointless contents are very common in online forums. If you don't like it, don't join. why bother?

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2008-10-26 19:51 編輯 ]
作者: Serenade    時間: 2008-10-26 22:16

Akshea, yes, you did made a very good point regarding how the business is not a very profitable one in comparison to TVB and similar channels. However, when you think about the added-value toward that channel, you can understand what I mean. You cna make the calculation regarding how many subscribers they have for fairchild TV and how much money they are making on an average when they ask for 25-30 bucks per household.

Now, take in the calculation of how much they are paying their staff and reporters...

Here is a real life story, my own experience. I had worked in DAISO's headoffice in Richmond before I went to Japan and start my career here. They said that they would pay me 1600 a month (before tax) for the first 3 months and that I would get 1800 after that probation period.

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS NASTY...

I quit my job at TELUS and started working for them, my job was merely as an office assistant and it was pretty much a non-technical job. I was being asked to do legal translation in Japanese and English... and had to do some REALLY technical stuff... yet, they are paying me 1600. So I thought... fine, I am here to learn things anyways, and decided to stick with it. NOW... after I worked for 2 weeks, my boss came over and told me this: "I am sorry, but we can only pay you the same 1600 even after the probation period, would you still like to work for us?" I was like... WTH... I quitted my last job and now you tell me this?! outrageous! But I was stuck in nowhere, so I told them yes, and started to look for another job... luckily, in that very same week, I got a call from the government asking me whether I still wanna go to work in Japan with double that salary. I just fired my boss right there, right then and swear to god that I will never work for Fairchild ever again.

That's what it is...

Understanding that, now you can imagine how much money they can make out of the entire premise. By screwing new graduates that way, they can save a lot of money. imagine saving 200 bucks every month on every single new employee! Now that's a lot of money...

More facts that you will have to know about Fairchild Media Group:
- TVB owns 20% of Fairchild TV, and provides TVB programming solely to FTV in Canada.
- They also own Talentvision, with dominant airing rights to various Taiwanese programmings.
- 4-5 years ago, FTV, 1470, and other medias owned by Fairchild Media Group had been taking in double commercial revenues by setting up dual editions of airing in between West and East Coast. This directly violated their licensing rights with CRTC and was being sued. Since then FTV now airs the same airing with a 1 hour time difference. (FTV had been making double the money from commercials by violating this rule.)
- Facts in Wikipedia regarding Fairchild is completely manipulated by Fairchild and is biased.
- Most negative news regarding Thomas Fung is being sealed up in the media and is greatly manipulated.
- Fairchild Media Group also has intertwining relationship with Sing Tao Newspaper.
- Fairchild also owns the Advertising and Commercial companies, making it a monopoly business in the production of TV commercials and printed ads.
- Almost 1/3 of the Fairchild Radio 1470/96.1 DJ staff are unpaid volunteers taken from their profit generating DJ Training Program.
  - Furthermore, the DJ training programs are said to be biased in the selection of final panelists.
- Fairchild TV News had been hiring non-professional underpaid fresh-grad reporters.
  - Hence the high turnoff rates and the continuous hiring commercials on fairchild TV looking for inexperienced reporters on their channel.
  - Newscasters and Show hosts are selected based on internal relations, not abilities.

Now you tell me, how can an evil media group like this NOT profit from a bunch of C9's who doesn't have anything to do than to watch TV? You have to know, Chinese people are not famous for their "critical-thinking". If free TV channels like NBC can survive (and profit...) without asking for money from their viewers, and can even make their own high quality TV shows, then I don't see how FTV not make money from ripping off the Chinese community. (Please don't argue with me on how big NBC is and how small FTV is, they are both TV channels, and if you make the calculations on licensing and franchises, you can have a rough estimate of what the costs are to set up a television channel.)

You can question me again where I got all these information, I will tell you I know a few friends/classmates who worked in all the above departments, and some of these information can even be found in news archives and internet.

You can also argue that "if this is such a profiting business, then why don't somebody invest in it?" Take in account of TVB owning 20% of Fairchild TV, I don't see how another channel is ever gonna sustain viewership without a permannent source of entertainment programmings. You are not asking them to buy ATV programmings right? cause as we all know, ATV isn't making very many dramas anymore.

The ball is in your court Akshea-san.

P.S. The reason why ATV is not making as much money as TVB, it's because ATV treats their staff and talents a lot better. Hence the less funding to make new fancy things that builds up their publicity. This is also researcheable if you google it.

[ 本帖最後由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 15:30 編輯 ]
作者: 小叻    時間: 2008-10-26 22:36

原帖由 Serenade 於 26-10-2008 22:16 發表
Akshea, yes, you did made a very good point regarding how the business is not a very profitable one in comparison to TVB and similar channels. However, when you think about the added-value toward that ...


Great Speech!! I totally understand your feelings here!! How Fairchild underpay and torture those fresh grad!! I used to work at Daiso when I was at school.. and I know how great their management is..they always think of saving $$..when they do inventory check.. they used to hire those professional company to do the stock count.. but now they want to save $$, they asked their stockers (including students + C9) to work at night..(after the store closed) and work till morning by providing 工半.. and the result is horrible.. the # were not matched.. and need to redo it again.. of coz.. those stockers are not trained for stock counting... and the boss force them to redo it all over again..and need them to sign the sheet to show who count that shelf..and how long he/she takes to count that shelf.. *working like in a jail*? and for this re-do.. they didn't pay 工半 this time.. coz they think it is those stockers mistake.. ..and some of those stockers cannot reject it..coz they still want to work at Daiso.. coz they need the $$ for living..
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2008-10-26 22:37

What a compilation of interesting datas and facts,
my hat off to you
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-26 23:45

What a ton of crap? The reason that ATV didn't make as much money as TVB over the last couple of decades is that they made crappier programming. Over the couple of decades, a number of different ATV owners tried to compete with TVB. But still they lost money because they produced crappier programs than TVB. Now Hong Kong even has cable TV and satellite, but still TVB is dominant. To say that ATV treated their people better is just ridiculous. What kind of stupid logic is that? ATV spends more on its people and therefore cannot produce better programs to compete with TVB? That's just a ridiculous logic. ATV should spend more on its programming and gain viewership from TVB and in turn make more money from commercials. Then pay their people more.

Comeon, Faichild cannot force anyone to work for them. Anyone can quit the job anytime. Many people went back to Hong Kong anyways. There are so many other jobs, whether locally or in Asia.

Singtao Canada is owned by Toronto Star. There is no way Fairchild can influence Singtao here.

Comeon, you moron, LOL. Fairchild didn't make double commercial revenues by setting up dual editions of airing in between West and East Coast. Since the number of viewers for each editions(Vancouver and Toronto) is smaller than the combined number of viewers in Vancouver and toronto, the advertisers in Vancouver and Toronto paid less for each separate editions. The advertisers in Vancouver and Toronto are different anyway. Advertisement prices are based on the number of viewers. Whether there are one or two editions of Fairchild in Canada, the total number of viewers in canada is still the same. They didn't charge more. No one was stupid enough to pay double. Now, FTV now airs the same airing with a 3 hour time difference, but with different local advertisement. They make the about same amount of revenues after they combined their news program into national edition.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 01:12 編輯 ]
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-26 23:55

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-26 15:38 發表
Oh... So akshea, you are a SFU Communications major... then you should be quite familiar with media responsibility then! The media has the responsibility to report with a general unbiased perspective  ...


Comeon, your logic is moronic. You are totally outdated, LOL. In Vancouver, people can watch Channel M for free local Chinese news and Hong Kong news from ATV. People just buy or rent DVD for those TVB dramas anyway. So no one is forced to watch Fairchild.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 01:22 編輯 ]
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-27 00:02

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 00:45 發表
What a ton of crap? The reason that ATV didn't make as much money as TVB over the last couple of decades is that they made crappier programming. Over the couple of decades, a number of different ATV o ...


calm down, okok
"failchild" is the best!!
FAILCHILD is the best media groups of ........um........covering up news

enough of mocking, but if that company is that good, nobody would complain that much, and some of them are ex-fairchild employee
before I knew about the issue in aberdeen center today, I though fairchild is not that bad. I only dont like their radio programs. But after today......geez, AMAZING!!! they seal off the news are as "ro" as china government

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2008-10-27 01:05 編輯 ]
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-27 00:04

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-27 01:02 發表


calm down, okok
"failchild" is the best!!
FAILCHILD is the best media groups of ........um........covering up news


comeon, you ran out of arguments. Wat news did they cover up? They reported todays incident on fm96.1 channel.

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 01:08 編輯 ]
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-27 00:07

原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 01:04 發表


comeon, you ran out of arguments. Wat news did they cover up? They reported todays incident on fm96.1 chammel.


sorry, i correct myself but......
I think it is a big news in our community. how come they just slightly mention it?
come on
作者: peter236    時間: 2008-10-27 00:10

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-27 01:07 發表


sorry, i correct myself but......
I think it is a big news in our community. how come they just slightly mention it?
come on


comeon, are you saying they should provide instant broadcasting on this incident? Did Channel M or any other English channel report it?

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 01:13 編輯 ]
作者: Serenade    時間: 2008-10-27 06:17

Peter236, you don't have to insult someone to get the point across, I get your logic, but you don't have proofs to backup your points... Here are a few facts: I have a friend who works as a producer at TVB, and I have an uncle who works with ATV for commercial productions. The things I hear from both sides are all ACTUAL FACTS. TVB treats its employees and talents like crap and takes on most of the money gained from its talents, while ATV talents are given a much higher freedom toward the future they make, AND they pay people better. Don't give me this ATV sucks because they make worse programming, if you have been to their studio then you will know. The studio is old, and they don't have the funding to do renewals, that's why it's harder for them to make better programmings, and YES, that does have a lot to do with the salary differences between the two. I HAVE BEEN IN ATV's STUDIO BEFORE.

A few years ago when I was receiving interviews, I had been to 1320 and 1470's studios too, there is a huge difference in quality of the stations' equipment. Now, quit arguing without facts alright?

Cable TV can never beat TVB is because you need to PAY to watch. most people just refuses to pay for TV in HK, do you know how much people make in HK on an average? they won't want to be spending 100+ bucks each month for cable TV if they have the choice of watching free channels. This is also why the subscription ratio of TVB's paid cable channels are so low, simply because of the lack of consumer demands.

and yes, ATV's programmings are worse, but there are reasons behind that. read more on their production and history.

There are always Chinese people who wants make a career in the media field, but with only one Chinese broadcasting company in Canada, it's very hard not to get in. This is why the good DJ's in Fairchild all left for HK after they got famous. They are badly underpaid. I know at least 4 DJ's from Fairchild, and they told me the same thing, so stop arguing.

SingTao Canada is not owned by Fairchild, but is in relations with it. Go do your research again.

Fairchild earned from both Vancouver and Toronto premises by reprogramming their commercial timing sequences years ago. Now they are mixing the same commercials because CRTC found out what they did and gave them a warning. CRTC only licensed one channel broadcasting right to them, not two, hence they cannot make double advertisement money on both sides of Canada. Again, go do your research. Go and look up their revenue charts. Go read the news archives.

I didn't say that people are forced (Just Akshea, not everybody) to watch Fairchild, as I am suggesting everybody, we should boycott Fairchild instead of paying for crappy overpriced TV programmings from them.

BTW, the last time I went back to Vancouver (Staying for a whole month), I didn't spend any time listening to Fairchild's radio, nor watch their news, nor go to Aberdeen Center. Realizing how much they are ripping people off, my family already boycotted Fairchild's crappy programming, maybe you should too?

[ 本帖最後由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 23:24 編輯 ]
作者: sheep    時間: 2008-10-27 06:57

原因係 慣性收視
同埋 所有合約藝人不得在別台出現
新聞 劇集 ATV is more creative and better than TVB
就果個大均報新聞就聽倒都想死
原帖由 peter236 於 2008-10-27 00:45 發表
What a ton of crap? The reason that ATV didn't make as much money as TVB over the last couple of decades is that they made crappier programming. Over the couple of decades, a number of different ATV o ...
作者: fibbi    時間: 2008-10-27 09:28

我仍然有睇廢柴，始終我比較享受1邊食飯，1邊睇廣東話電視，要睇新劇集，就BT lor，有時廢柴播個啲倉底貨，真喺想搵都搵唔到架。我唔喺要幫廢柴講說話，亦覺得拒老細同大部份中國人老闆1樣，都喺比較刻薄個種，但係無可否認，Aberdeen Mall 就真喺起得幾靚架，不過裡面無mud好嘅店舖，what a waste
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-10-27 12:22

原帖由 Serenade 於 2008-10-27 07:17 發表
Peter236, you don't have to insult someone to get the point across, I get your logic, but you don't have proofs to backup your points... Here are a few facts: I have a friend who works as a producer a ...


thanks serenade
I dun even bother spending too much time on that faiLchild fighter(or employee?). and u should save your time and effort too



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