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作者: Lavshuca 時間: 2008-10-24 18:08 標題: so hard to find a job

I've been looking for a full time entry level job for 2 months.........I've sent so much resume out..and still no luck. Was it that hard for you guyz to look for a job when you graduated from University with ZERO experience.
or is it because I have a fine arts degree and not business related degree.....-_-. sigh..

作者: angeldevil 時間: 2008-10-24 18:53

try to gain experience from small companies first...

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-10-24 19:59

原帖由 Lavshuca 於 2008-10-24 19:08 發表
I've been looking for a full time entry level job for 2 months.........I've sent so much resume out..and still no luck. Was it that hard for you guyz to look for a job when you graduated from Univers ...

probably, do u know any office basic skills for survival?
excel, words, data entry and anything about accounting?

作者: ravemother 時間: 2008-10-24 20:01

To be honest, an art degree is too general. How is this degree better than the more specialized degrees?

Also, no experience is a turn-off for employers. They don't want to devote more resource in training especially the economy is getting weak right now. Look at the US and CAN stock market today.

作者: yungfourfour 時間: 2008-10-24 20:08

No kidding.... My company was always understaff (even now) but they decide to go on hiring freeze...

it's just we are somehow entering a economic slowdown now...

keep looking! there are a lot of head hunting agencies

www.aerotek.com
www.blackshire.com
www.kellyservices.com
www.angusone.com
www.monster.ca
www.workopolis.com

with fine arts degree if you tell them you have office experience that would be nice.

PM me if you need more links to companies

good luck

作者: molamola 時間: 2008-10-24 20:39

you can try temp government jobs, some dont ask for work experience.

作者: ACooperFan 時間: 2008-10-24 20:54

good luck to you...it's not that easy without experience...

i graduated with a science degree but no work experience....and it took me a month before i found my first job as a receptionist! i did that for a week before i got an offer for a "science" job...

just keep looking...again, best of luck =)

作者: yungfourfour 時間: 2008-10-24 21:01

原帖由 molamola 於 2008-10-24 21:39 發表
you can try temp government jobs, some dont ask for work experience.

oh man... I am amazed by their efficiency sometimes.....

I applied for a government job Nov 2007. A month ago they called me to do a screening test, which took place last week.

No doubt though, give it a try!

And be hopeful cuz it does take that long!

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-10-25 04:03

mcdonalds and starbucks is always hiring

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-10-25 12:39

我發現近年既香港學生分兩類﹐一係就過份實際﹐興讀D咩就讀咩﹐唔岩讀都照讀 - 易運工呀嘛﹗

另一類就好似開topic呢位朋友仔﹐唔好怪我直言﹐你讀完大學都有21-22歲﹐唔通你真係畢業第一日先諗做乜工﹖

我絕對唔反對(基本上支持)任何人讀自己鍾意讀既野。但需知﹐你讀fine arts並唔係一個普遍社會會用到既一個謀生技能。當然﹐你可以好叻﹐做到一D廣告製作工司creative類工作﹐但係你就預左行頭係窄。

或姐我再直接D講﹐你讀咩都好﹐喺現今社會都無可能完全只靠一樣才能/知識。畢業前連part-time做receptionist/tutor/其他summer job經驗都無﹐確實係令人費解。

不過﹐講到尾﹐萬事起頭難。難保讀其他科既畢業生都係有同樣遭遇﹐又唔好太妄自非薄。

細路女﹐得閒學多兩樣野﹐讀多D書﹐真係人生唔知幾時會用到。

-- 苦口(靚女)心大C姐

作者: 小叻 時間: 2008-10-25 12:57

What is ur major anyways? non-business = language?? history?? Phil? I also grad from non-business major ah~~ but i got many work experience while i am studying..coz i need to pay the tuition myself...but if u want to work in Canada.. u need work experience..and actually it's better for u to study some special skills courses.. ex.. if u want to work in travel industry..u study tourism/ hotel management.. if u want to work in accounting field.. if u grad at UBC.. u can go to apply the DAP (accounting cert - around 11 courses, 33 credits program).. most of my frds took this after they grad from an Art degree.. I took 1 course there.. then give up jor..coz u need full time studying.. and i was working full time at that time...

I think you should start thinking what u want to do in your future..and decide what u should study more to get a job that u really want.. u can go back to BCIT and study some special skills course.. and they do have co-op which can gain u some experience too! Give it a try~~

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-10-25 12:59

原帖由小叻於 2008-10-25 13:57 發表
What is ur major anyways? non-business = language?? history?? Phil? I also grad from non-business major ah~~ but i got many work experience while i am studying..coz i need to pay the tuition myself... ...

人哋講左讀fine arts﹐有無聽書﹖

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-10-25 20:34

fine arts with no work experience is tough...

find just any job to start with then keep looking for a better job la..."ride cow find horse"...

作者: asmok 時間: 2008-10-25 21:11

If u can't find job yourself, just find agency to help you. General office experience (data entry, reception, call centre, etc..) will help in any job you apply for. Once you have some job experience, go to agency and ask for fields that you are interested in.

You degree from university is only useful for your first few years in your career. Once you have a few years of experience, your degree is just a prerequisite for the job.

作者: molamola 時間: 2008-10-26 00:13

So you cant find a job now, but what is that you really want?

作者: Lavshuca 時間: 2008-10-26 12:00

actually I've tried Adecco and David Aplin......I sent my resume to their office location and applied to some of their 'entry' level job online, but I havent heard from them at all. I dont really know what I want to do right now, other than getting a job and gain some work experience first.

thanks for the feedback ppl~~

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-10-26 12:43

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-10-25 13:39 發表 [url=http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=46131&ptid=4853][img]http:我絕對唔反對(基本上支持)任何人讀自己鍾意讀既野。但需知﹐你讀fine arts並唔係一個普遍社會會用到既一個謀生技能。當然﹐你可以好叻﹐做到一D廣告製作工司creative類工作﹐但係你就預左行頭係窄。

或姐我再直接D講﹐你讀咩都好﹐喺現今社會都無可能完全只靠一樣才能/知識。畢業前連part-time做receptionist/tutor/其他summer job經驗都無﹐確實係令人費解。

唔知有幾多只講夢想and/or懶惰既 on直青年明白呢個道理呢

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-10-26 13:24

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-10-26 13:43 發表

唔知有幾多只講夢想and/or懶惰既 on直青年明白呢個道理呢

我又唔敢話人懶

但係真係無可能廾幾歲起身先諗做d乜

我細個無甘天真囉

但係我絕對唔認同學業=工作成就。

你鍾意讀咩都好都要諗點為生。

作者: melodymelody81 時間: 2008-10-26 16:41

www.wawanesa.com

our company is always hiring....
underwriter assistants
underwriters
mailroom
adjusters

you are probably looking at underwriting assistant if entry level....
try sending your resume through emailing them

作者: jtang 時間: 2008-10-26 17:07

我覺得部份(其實是覺得大部份)時下年青人沒有的character就是恒心和堅持.或許真的有工作請,但是做了不久就說這份工不適合自己,自己不應該deserve這些工等等.有部份還會很短視,欠缺遠見,又或是自覺U-grad身份特別高.回想本人數年前joint major finance U-grad回港找工作的時候,找了一份需要找新客戶的金融工作.最初的數月要在街上穿上西裝派傅單,又沒有底薪,到現在是一家上市公司的部門主管.試問最開頭的辛酸又有誰能夠堅持?我不是想說自己多成功,只是想說一分耕耘,一分收獲.我見很多U-grad的年青人自以為是,幻想自己畢業後的工作應該像大老闆一樣,飲飲紅酒打打golf.沒錯,可能這樣的工作模式是你理想的,但一定不會是當你一畢業後就可以過著這樣的生活,工作模式.希望大家能夠回歸現實,打好基礎.

作者: yungfourfour 時間: 2008-10-26 17:08

原帖由 Lavshuca 於 2008-10-26 13:00 發表
actually I've tried Adecco and David Aplin......I sent my resume to their office location and applied to some of their 'entry' level job online, but I havent heard from them at all. I dont really kno ...

When I was looking for jobs through headhunters, I call them.

Don't wait for them to find you.

But if you apply for companies directly then.... don't call.

I got my job within a month

but I believe I sent out 10 resumes + cover letters a day. MINIMUM.
I get 1-2 interviews a week..
and after i start my job.... those calls keep returning
so normally it takes more than a month for them to respond
just keep applying and applying and applying.

作者: mibu 時間: 2008-10-26 18:45

no kidding
i'm on the same boat as you
just grad and still no job after 2 months looking

作者: ACooperFan 時間: 2008-10-26 19:52

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-10-25 13:39 發表
我發現近年既香港學生分兩類﹐一係就過份實際﹐興讀D咩就讀咩﹐唔岩讀都照讀 - 易運工呀嘛﹗

另一類就好似開topic呢位朋友仔﹐唔好怪我直言﹐你讀完大學都有21-22歲﹐唔通你真係畢業第一日先諗做乜工﹖

我絕對唔反對(基本上支持)任 ...

i kinda agree with what u said...but the reason i had no work experience was because i did a lot of volunteer work....that's experience too...just not paid...

and for employment agencies, try avoiding Miles....didn't help at all....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2008-10-26 20:40

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008/10/26 13:24 發表

我又唔敢話人懶

但係真係無可能廾幾歲起身先諗做d乜

我細個無甘天真囉

但係我絕對唔認同學業=工作成就。

你鍾意讀咩都好都要諗點為生。 ...

我以前都好天真
真係畢業之後先想要做D咩
好彩而家都OK
所以天真都唔係問題既

作者: hotaruu 時間: 2008-10-26 20:45

It is not easy to find the first job after grad... I grad with a comp sci degree with 5 semesters of Co-op too in June... i started looking job since Feb/Mar, (well, avaialble to work in May), and didn't get my offer till end of April. Thinking back... i just send off around 5-7 resume for every co-op term i look for and already got more than half replies for interview and got job offer within 3 weeks. When I look for this FT job, i send off around 15 application, and only get like 6 interviews or so. So yes, 1st job after grad is very very tough... esp. in current market, lots of companies have hiring freeze. For Fine Arts, do u know some graphics software? such as Adobe suite? or r u good in Engish? many companies look for technical writer. Think of what career you really want to go, and upgrade urself with some practical course on that field (BCIT/Langara usually a good choice). That will increase ur chance to find a job.

作者: boss2007 時間: 2008-10-27 11:49 標題: try craigslist ...

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/med/

good luck !

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-27 14:07

What kind of jobs are you applying for with your fine art degree??

作者: fibbi 時間: 2008-10-27 14:12

My friend with Fine Arts degree goes back to HK and now works in design firm.

作者: qqmaro 時間: 2008-10-28 08:23

Not a good time to go back to HK now, company is starting to down size, and not hiring anyone to fill the spot when people leave

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-28 09:14

fine art = design? Then why does people need to go to design schools like Emily Carr?

作者: Lavshuca 時間: 2008-10-28 09:23

原帖由 hotaruu 於 2008-10-26 21:45 發表
It is not easy to find the first job after grad... I grad with a comp sci degree with 5 semesters of Co-op too in June... i started looking job since Feb/Mar, (well, avaialble to work in May), and did ...

I looked into Langara/BCIT programs and I'm planning to take their design program next semester. I dont really have any computer-art skills, because I mostly took art history, painting, sketching for my major. Plus, the only computer related art course at UBC that I took..I h..ave to say there is no structure to that course at all..poorly taught. Thats why I didnt go further in digital arts...but I hope its not too late to get into it now.

原帖由 jtang 於 2008-10-26 18:07 發表
我覺得部份(其實是覺得大部份)時下年青人沒有的character就是恒心和堅持.或許真的有工作請,但是做了不久就說這份工不適合自己,自己不應該deserve這些工等等.有部份還會很短視,欠缺遠見,又或是自覺U-grad身份特別高. ...

I think thats just your own bias point of view. I really dont think there is anything special about being University gradutes nowadays. My frds that grad from BCIT found jobs and better pay than some grads from Universities. Plus, there are lots of graduate out there like me thats really trying hard to find a job.

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-10-25 13:39 發表
我發現近年既香港學生分兩類﹐一係就過份實際﹐興讀D咩就讀咩﹐唔岩讀都照讀 - 易運工呀嘛﹗

另一類就好似開topic呢位朋友仔﹐唔好怪我直言﹐你讀完大學都有21-22歲﹐唔通你真係畢業第一日先諗做乜工﹖

我絕對唔反對(基本上支持)任 ...

Acutally I have a lot of volunteer art experiences while I was in University. But I guess a lot of company doesnt really care about 'ART' experiences cause they dont neccessarily relate to office. and FYI, I did think about my future before hand,, but sometimes things just doesnt go the way you plan~ plus, the art industry in vancouver is so limited, and there are so many of us out there looking for the same things.

作者: Lavshuca 時間: 2008-10-28 09:27

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2008-10-28 10:14 發表
fine art = design? Then why does people need to go to design schools like Emily Carr?

Fine arts looks at all aspects of art, from sketching, painting, ceramics, etching, digital art......~
Emily Carr is famous, thats why people go there. Plus everything they teach there are geared toward artistic development right from the beginning unlike univeristy.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-10-28 17:20

原帖由 Lavshuca 於 2008-10-28 10:23 發表

I looked into Langara/BCIT programs and I'm planning to take their design program next semester. I dont really have any computer-art skills, because I mostly took art history, painting, sketching f ...

咩就係囉~ 你無OFFICE EXPERIENCE人哋點請你呢?我唔係話你完全一無事處。你喺你既行頭可能好有經驗同才華。但係你會唔會入錯行遞錯application呢?你無OL經驗又唔係讀果科你係咩應該諗要一係進修為飯豌。一係做翻ART有關工作囉!vancouver個art scene窄唔係第一日既事~ 有幾何有人話VANCOUVER出名藝術呢?你唔早D計劃比自己PLAN B同PLAN C真解好蝕張囉!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2008-10-28 17:46

May be you would like to consider some courses from Vancouver Film School. http://www.vfs.com/
Gaming, film industry are quite popular in Vancouver and in my opinion they do need design people, so you can consider la.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2008-10-28 18:47

starting low and work the way up. i worked in moving company before.

作者: tweety 時間: 2008-10-28 22:01 標題: depends on what wage do u prefer?

if you don't care about the wage and just want to get more experience.. it's not hard to find one now .. I always can find job easily within a week..

it's really depends what u prefer? if you just look for big company with high wage.. but without experience. it's really good luck.. for u..

unless you know somebody there..
my first summer job is part time data entry before.. and got 1 month experience ..

before I look for full time office job..

[ 本帖最後由 tweety 於 2008-10-28 23:02 編輯 ]

作者: Lavshuca 時間: 2008-10-29 10:03

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-10-28 18:20 發表

咩就係囉~ 你無OFFICE EXPERIENCE人哋點請你呢?我唔係話你完全一無事處。你喺你既行頭可能好有經驗同才華。但係你會唔會入錯行遞錯application呢?你無OL經驗又唔係讀果科你係咩應該諗要一係進修為飯豌。一係做翻A ...

well, everyone start from zero. How do ppl get 'experience', they get it from their first job. How are ppl going to gain experiences if your not given the chance to gain it in the first place. Im pretty sure you didnt know everything when you first started.
Plus, I'm looking for an office job because its another alternative to gain other types of job experience that will be handy in the future~ its better than doing nothing at all~~ now that is call 'not planning for future'

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-10-29 10:11

Are the jobs you applied art-related?
I think before you apply for the job, you need to think why the employer wants to hire you and how you gonna stand out from the other applicants.....

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-10-29 10:35

I looked into Langara/BCIT programs and I'm planning to take their design program next semester. I dont really have any computer-art skills, because I mostly took art history, painting, sketching for my major. Plus, the only computer related art course at UBC that I took..I h..ave to say there is no structure to that course at all..poorly taught. Thats why I didnt go further in digital arts...but I hope its not too late to get into it now.

原帖由 Lavshuca 於 2008-10-29 11:03 發表 well, everyone start from zero. How do ppl get 'experience', they get it from their first job. How are ppl going to gain experiences if your not given the chance to gain it in the first place. Im pretty sure you didnt know everything when you first started.
Plus, I'm looking for an office job because its another alternative to gain other types of job experience that will be handy in the future~ its better than doing nothing at all~~ now that is call 'not planning for future'

if u want to get a office job, stop just going to lecture and work on some "artistic" volunteer! find some volunteer job that involves some simple office tasks. Be realistic is what u need to do

what? u expect the bosses out there would like to hire someone who just took courses in "art history, painting, sketching"???

I am an IT people, I was in your situation few years ago while .com bubble just broke. what I did was trying hard to find ANY volunteer/part-time job that are IT related.

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2008-10-29 11:38 編輯 ]

作者: 小叻 時間: 2008-10-29 11:14

Not every fresh grad got no working experience like you...many of them working part-time to pay for their tuition..and the office job that you applied.. they dun really need you to have previous office experience..but at least work experience..(maybe they want to call your previous employers to see if what type of person u are..for ex..coming to work on time.. hard worker.etc..) Even if you work at Starbucks, Safeway, or McDonald.. at least the employer knows that you have customer service experience..

作者: boss2007 時間: 2008-10-29 11:37 標題: 回復 Lavshuca

If you don't mind work at reception area, I know local accounting firm (small) looking for reception with a degree ...
location is close to VPL Central library at downtown.

If you are looking for long term, i would suggest Web Page Design related position, as there is a huge demand on
Web page Designer, its IT related. Consider a small IT boom at local Vancouver, there is a demand on Graphic design, web page design with a artist background, not programming background for local IT firms. You may verify the Web page designer position @

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/web/

see, there is at least 5 -6 new post everyday ...

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-10-29 11:52

原帖由 boss2007 於 2008-10-29 12:37 發表
If you don't mind work at reception area, I know local accounting firm (small) looking for reception with a degree ...
location is close to VPL Central library at downtown.

If you are looking for lon ...

don't even think about it if u don't know: photoshop, adobe applications, and some good understanding of basic HTML and web page design with CSS

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-10-29 21:25

原帖由小叻於 2008-10-29 12:14 發表
Not every fresh grad got no working experience like you...many of them working part-time to pay for their tuition..and the office job that you applied.. they dun really need you to have previous offic ...

好多謝小叻同chunsh明我講咩。

我唔質疑你有能力同experience﹐我係想講﹐你話so hard to find a job係因為你無類似work experience。

我擺到明無學過電腦我又無電腦經驗但係我而家某某然去見IT工﹐真係鬼請我啦!

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-10-29 22:25

beggars can't be chooser
you know, working at starbucks and mcdonalds is not just as simple as making coffee and burgers. there is a lot of things to learn in those places already.

seriously, WHAT can you do in a office? do you even know how many different departments can be in a office?  do you know how a business is run? you can't do anything in the accounting department since u know nothing about accounting, you can't do anything in the logistic side, you have no CS experience for sales and marketing.

i can tell you what kind of position i'll hire you as if you apply to my company. either you can go to the production side and work in the factory or entry sales with next to no salary based on commission only. or a clerk that help all others do photocopy work, package delivery, filing for minimum wage.

1) I won't have to do much training if you do production,  but its not something you want to do.
2) you don't have any experience, you'll quit since you won't be earning any money.
3) its not really an "office job" that you are probably looking for.  you won't even have time to even be in a office chair for 95% of your day's work.

so, what kind of job are you expecting?

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