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作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2008-11-27 00:37 標題: 中國第五大新發明！假雞蛋！

假蛋製造過程

步驟 1 > 調製原料

將海藻酸納、食用明膠等7種化學材料混水，調勻成凝膠狀，即為蛋清原料，再取同樣材料加入黃色色素，成為蛋黃原料。

步驟 2 > 製作蛋黃
將蛋黃原料倒入模具至2/3滿，放進以氯化鈣調成的神仙水中，輕晃模具，蛋黃出現薄膜就宣告完成。將蛋黃在神仙水中靜置1小時定型，再取出沖洗晾乾備用。

步驟 3 > 假蛋成型

在模具中倒入1??3蛋清原料，先像包粽子一樣放進蛋黃，再倒入蛋清，放進神仙水中輕晃，

1粒無殼雞蛋便緩緩浮現。將裸蛋定型1小時，以清水沖洗後晾乾，準備上殼。

步驟 4 > 粉墨登場

用縫衣線穿過雞蛋，浸入以蜜蠟、碳酸鈣等調製成的蛋殼溶液中，反覆數次，待外殼稍微風乾後，浸入冷水中抽線定型，至此，假雞蛋已穿上外衣，大功告成。

假蛋放入鍋中油煎，除了蛋白氣泡比真蛋多之外，賣相甚至比真蛋還可口

作者: Surreal 時間: 2008-11-27 02:49

這樣會便宜很多嗎????????????

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-11-27 03:27

Where is Peter236? Why isn't he saying Comeon, its a great invention! the Chinese Egg, its better then the real egg, even vegetarian can eat it!!! look at all those healthy organic material used to make this egg!!!!

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 06:31

this is a hoax. search google.

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2008-11-27 08:43

這不是 hoax. 眾人皆知。唔使坳呱。

作者: sheep 時間: 2008-11-27 08:59

So you are Peter236
You two sounds like the same

原帖由 Hyde 於 2008-11-27 04:27 發表
Where is Peter236? Why isn't he saying Comeon, its a great invention! the Chinese Egg, its better then the real egg, even vegetarian can eat it!!! look at all those healthy organic material used to ...

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 09:12

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/fake-eggs-china.shtml

there are a lot of fake stuff in China, but not this one.

唔使坳.

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2008-11-27 10:37

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-11-27 10:12 發表
 http://www.hoax-slayer.com/fake-eggs-china.shtml

there are a lot of fake stuff in China, but not this one.

唔使坳.

假旦呢樣嘢國內都有好廣泛嘅報導, 港視也有播過特輯, 係唔使坳。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhEnWWoQLsg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/society/2008-11/11/content_10339144.htm
http://www.epochtimes.com/gb/8/11/23/n2338280.htm

http://big5.soundofhope.org/programs/162/111012-1.asp

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 10:40

feel free to choose to believe whatever you want.

I'm not a chinese defender/crusader.

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2008-11-27 10:43

Yeah, you are right, choose what you want to believe.

作者: dinga 時間: 2008-11-27 11:07

幾年前東周刊都有報導過.. 做法同呢個相似.. 但係人地連縫線都唔使用.....

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 11:24

anyway, don't want to argue ... but I choose to believe it is not true simply because

a) making a fake egg that's good enough to fool people is NOT cheap nor easy.  It's based on my experience in building/molding plastic models.
b) the last step to form the egg shell requires the egg white to be solid already.
c) the demo shows fried eggs sunny side up.  which means the egg white remains liquid.
b) and c) simply contradicts.
e) the final step, even if the egg shell forms, it's not going to be smooth.  don't tell me they  sand it.  the sand paper is worth more $.

If the eggs are sold as cook "tea leaf/soya eggs", I believe it's doable.

again, believe what you want.

作者: cmmm 時間: 2008-11-27 11:44

I had a really good friend who went to China on a family trip (she told me this personally, so it's not hearsay or anything). They bought some eggs from the local market to cook at home... And she said the eggs were really weird when they fried it. It tasted like plastic-ey... She said there is usually an immediate aroma once you fry the egg in pan, but the eggs they bought didn't have that... The egg still solidified with the frying, but the taste was really weird...

I am not sure if this is the "fake egg" the article is talking about... but I suspect anything is possible...

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 11:57

原帖由 cmmm 於 2008-11-27 12:44 發表
I had a really good friend who went to China on a family trip (she told me this personally, so it's not hearsay or anything). They bought some eggs from the local market to cook at home... And she s ...

she probably bought 三聚氰胺 eggs. the egg farmers fed the chicken with too much 三聚氰胺 as a protein supplement and the eggs end up having it.

it was reported in HK last week i think.

作者: puZZle 時間: 2008-11-27 11:57

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-11-27 12:24 發表
b) the last step to form the egg shell requires the egg white to be solid already.

can you please elaborate on this point please? since this is an essential part of your argument and most of us (at least for me) don't know too much about it

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 12:08

simply put:

"1粒無殼雞蛋便緩緩浮現。將裸蛋定型1小時，以清水沖洗後晾乾，準備上殼"

so the 裸蛋 is solid. that's without the shell.

"用縫衣線穿過雞蛋，浸入以蜜蠟、碳酸鈣等調製成的蛋殼溶液中，反覆數次，待外殼稍微風乾後，浸入冷水中抽線定型，至此，假雞蛋已穿上外衣，大功告成。"

shell is formed; but the whole thing is a solid shell with solid (定型) fill.

unless something chemically changes, the 裸蛋 egg white is not liquid.

When that egg is cracked it will just be like a COOK egg, and not able to do sunny side up.

作者: Admin 時間: 2008-11-27 12:10

Testing

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 12:18

maybe it melts in room temp?

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 12:24

then the step 清水沖洗後晾乾 can't be valid either.

on top ... if it melts in room temperature and but then solidify when fried ... I'm not a chemist or food scientist. may be they can confirm the chemical properties of the 2 listed ingredients.

I just have too many question marks regarding the whole procedure and the economy is just not making sense. that procedure isn't mechanized so it will take a lot of time to make so little $.

i do believe chemically polluted/modified eggs like 三聚氰胺 eggs are entirely possible.

[ 本帖最後由 daimo 於 2008-11-27 13:30 編輯 ]

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 12:31

this is a better instruction

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-27 13:36 編輯 ]

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 12:48

SB, I can't see how that instruction is different from the chinese version.

"transfer the egg yolk into the plastic mode that already contain the egg white and soak into liquid calcium chloride to stabilise the shape"

sounds easy, but i can't imagine how it is done easily with stable and consistent results.

don't want to quote again but i don't want to cut-paste other people's work either.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/fake-eggs-china.shtml

they even have the same picture from your instruction.

enough said for the day ... believe in what you want.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 12:51

http://consumerist.com/consumer/ ... na-style-257693.php

that page as the exact same instruction as yours, SB.

read the line just below:

UPDATE: It's possible this story is a hoax. BoingBoing compared believing it to believing in eBayed unicorns.

作者: cmmm 時間: 2008-11-27 12:56

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-11-27 12:57 發表

she probably bought 三聚氰胺 eggs. the egg farmers fed the chicken with too much 三聚氰胺 as a protein supplement and the eggs end up having it.

it was reported in HK last week i think. ...

It is also possible... but this actually happened a long time ago, maybe 4,5 years ago? I suspect this whole "toxic milk" scandal... It's probably in our food way before this was in the media, just no one knew about it?

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2008-11-27 12:59

I love China.
Everything is possible in our great country...

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 13:01

三聚氰胺 was in the chinese food industry for a good couple of years.

back then they didn't know what 三聚氰胺 really was.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 13:07

daimo, I'm not saying this is THE formula..it could be a hoax and I can't verify it myself and do not want to...lol

Anyway, someone in China can do it so there must be a way. You know Chinese don't like telling people their "secrets", so any web instruction could be incomplete.

Sometimes having the receipe doesn't mean you can make the food that you like. There are usually "tricks" they leave out, but you get the big picture.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 13:11

i was about to ask you to make me the fake egg ...

even if it's doable I still can't imagine how people will make so little $ out of so much work. there are better cost effective crime to choose from ...

fake news is easier to make and worth $ if the news reporter has nothing better to report (remember the cardboard buns?)

作者: LOK 時間: 2008-11-27 13:18

This 假雞蛋 happened a few years ago. I wonder how many ppl who lived in their own world and never watch news.

why LYK so dead? because 80% of ppl here don't have common sense. I became more stupid by reading LYK.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 13:24

well a lot of "news" are just "stories"...lol

I guess they make money by the number of eggs sold (volume). How much is an egg, say $1HKD in profit. If they can sell 50k eggs a day that's $50k profit, which equals to $1.5mil HKD per month!!!

The risk involved is low in this kind of crime I guess. How many people can detect a fake egg? How many do report for just few dollars? How to trace the source since eggs come from everywhere all mixed together?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 13:26

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-11-27 14:18 發表
This 假雞蛋 happened a few years ago. I wonder how many ppl who lived in their own world and never watch news.

why LYK so dead? because 80% of ppl here don't have common sense. I became more stupid ...

relax people are just bringing this topic back for chat..."group memory"?

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 13:34

that's what i meant, SB.  volume?  with that procedure, how many  fake eggs can you make in a day per 1 Full time?

even if labour is cheap it will take a lot of people and days to make 50k eggs with THAT procedure.  that's why I said unless someone is making it in a mechanized way.

how many people can detect a fake egg?  don't know, you assumed it does exist and do look and smell like a real egg.  I don't know.  until someone brings a fake egg in front of us then there is noway to make that call.

LOK, that was definitely an old news.  was it offical news (like in TVB/ATV/CBC) or was it just stories in the 'NEXT" magazine?  I don't remember.

the common sense is that people should not just believe everything they read on the internet.  that includes THIS THREAD.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 13:35

ah ... we're generating traffic for LYK.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 14:04

http://www.tian.cc/2007/05/hoax-chinese-counterfeit-eggs.html

I hope people will read the whole thing before commenting. (and sure, information in this blog could be fake too)

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 15:25

50k was just an arbitrary number, it could be just 100 a day (5 batches of 20) which adds to 3k eggs a month, which is perfectly acceptable for one person to do by hands. Let say the profit is only 2k, I'm sure some people in China will do.

I'm sure there are people who are making fake eggs cuz my relative in HK bought some before

The degree of the spread or the original purpose of this? I'm not too sure. It might not be for profit at all. It could just be someone's "butt itch".

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 15:28

daimo, treat it like a story if you want...nothing really big deal

don't spend too much time on it...lol

let go...

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 15:32

SB, pls click the link and look at how that economy/business case doesn't work.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 15:50

yes, I did read their biz case la...they compare it to US, which is not fair la.

It's not profitable for US people doesn't mean it's not for China. Labor rate is cheap there. Read my previous posts where I talked about how much money a person can make in a month.

monthly salary in China for some people could be less than $200USD, who makes that amount in the US?

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-27 16:53 編輯 ]

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-11-27 16:09

yes ... calling it a day.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-27 17:27

花咁多時間, 咁多材料整一隻假既中國蛋? 中國蛋好平架乍...
係都整假美國有機雞蛋啦, 值錢好多.

唔知有冇人試過自己整假蛋, 一隻假蛋要幾多成本同埋時間呢?

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-11-27 18:40

原帖由 sheep 於 2008-11-27 09:59 發表
So you are Peter236
You two sounds like the same

you just got owned by sarcasm

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2008-11-27 20:20

有無攪錯呀﹐我大C姐苦心經營既topic都做唔到人氣no.1﹖

我竟然輸俾隻假假蛋﹖

-- 大蛋散

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-11-27 23:18

you can open a topic and talk about "蛋蛋"...it might become #1

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-11-27 23:50

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-11-28 15:18 發表
you can open a topic and talk about "蛋蛋"...it might become #1

冇興趣...

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2008-11-29 12:27

china has so much fake stuff.............
sad

作者: sheep 時間: 2008-11-29 17:49

現身俾我地指指點點
包呢人氣急升

原帖由 大C姐 於 2008-11-27 21:20 發表
有無攪錯呀﹐我大C姐苦心經營既topic都做唔到人氣no.1﹖

我竟然輸俾隻假假蛋﹖

-- 大蛋散

作者: CWong 時間: 2008-11-30 01:18

原帖由 sheep 於 29/11/2008 17:49 發表
現身俾我地指指點點
包呢人氣急升

我要睇相！G堕奶+42長腿呀！好难见得到㗎！

作者: utopia 時間: 2008-11-30 14:18

我愛祖國！！！
中國人實在太聰明，假貨名牌太易，太out!!

連假蛋都有甘detail 嘅instruction, 先係強！

不過，好似幾年前雜誌有報導

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