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作者: myversa    時間: 2007-12-12 09:31     標題: 大學爭新生降入學要求 12年級省試成績 只需英文合格

Is this good or bad?


2007年12月12日

【明報專訊】為了與其他沒有省考的省分競逐優質學生，本省三所大學將降低省考成績作為收取新生考量的重要性，維多利亞大學已在上周五決定修改新生入學要求，將原本本省12年級需考12年級4科省試，改成只需要考1科12年級英文，其餘非本省教育廳畢業要求的科目省試，學生可不必考；卑詩大學(UBC)可望在今天通過相同決定，而西門菲沙大學(SFU)亦計劃在明年1月對放寬學生考試要求，作出同步修改。

如此一來，原本12年級學生，以申請理工科系為例，本來需要考12年級英文、12年級數學、12年級化學、12年級物理，但現在他們只需要考12年級英文。不過，根據本省高中畢業規定，學生需考 10年級數學、10年級科學、11年級社會科學、11年級英文的要求照舊，也就是本來需考8科省考，現在只需要5科。

卑詩大學在最近完成一份建議修改入學要求的報告中說，在2005年時，卑詩大學錄取的學生中，有98%都沒有完整的省考成績。

而在2007年6月底前，22%獲得卑詩大學「暫時決定取錄」(interim offer)的新生中，在被取錄時，大學根本未參考任何一科12年級省試的成績。

報告說，並非本省省考無參考價值，而是12年級的省試在6月舉行，等成績出來時已經是7月底至8月，那時很多優秀的學生，會等不及而去了其他省分，或不需要等省考成績的大學念書。

有利與其他大學競爭收生

卑詩大學負責招生的助理註冊總監魯賓遜(Deborah Robinson)指出，該校必須修改收生省考的要求，主要是要因應其他不需要12年級省考的大學競爭收生，再加上卑詩省早在2004年公布新的畢業標準，12年級學生只需要考12年級英文，其他如數學、化學及物理，這些申請大學時需要參考的科目，雖然也設省試，但學生可自由選擇是否參加；因此，本省大學有必要重新檢討是否再沿襲舊要求，要求12年級學生考足4科省考才收錄。

魯賓遜說，通常來說，部分12年級學生，在春天申請入學後，即已收到卑大「暫時決定錄取」的通知，除非省試成績真的太差，否則錄取決定不會改變。她說，每年在二、三千名已收到暫時錄取通知的學生，只有不到50人最後因為省考12年級科目成績太差遭到取消「暫時取錄」。

魯賓遜表示，卑詩大學會在今日開會決定，是否也像維多利亞大學一樣，修改入學要求。

最早宣布修改新生申請省試要求的維多利亞大學註冊總監Lyndia Wallace-Hulecki指出，幾乎在加拿大具競爭力的好大學，均不要求學生提供12年級的省考成績，而只看學校在課堂上所給的成績，因此學生和家長都在問，為何其他學校不需要12年級省考成績，而維多利亞大學卻仍要求？

維多利亞大學甚至認為，2006年至2007年入學新生人數略為減少的原因，是因為本省12年級學生選擇到魁省或是安省，不需要12年級省考成績的大學就讀。

不過，卑詩大學就強調，此舉並非降低收生標準，只是適應事實。

教聯料減學生壓力

卑詩省的大學紛紛考慮放寬對學生入學省試要求，不要求再考除英文12年級以外的其他3科，這項改變得到卑詩教師聯會(B.C. Teachers' Association)的歡迎。卑詩教聯主席Irene Lanzinger說，如此一來可減輕學生的考試壓力，他們不必因為擔心省考成績差而拉低整體申請成績。

不過，University Hill中學的校長菲力普查克(Jill Philipchuk)擔心，省考的作用在於使學生得到公正客觀的考評，現在不要求那些科目的省考，他擔心成績的客觀性會受影響。

去年才有5所私立學校因對學生分數灌水太厲害，得A及B的學生，竟然無法通過省考而被教育廳調查，有家長也擔心如此一來，私校分數灌水問題，會影響其他公校分數較低學生申請大學的權益。

不過，西門菲沙大學的註冊長羅斯(Kate Ross)則說，有關私立學校分數灌水問題，應由教育廳監管，而非大學本身
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-12 12:24

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作者: kmo    時間: 2007-12-12 12:26

that's way too easy for grade 12 student now....!!!!!
sigh.....lower quality of freshman....
作者: maldini    時間: 2007-12-12 12:38

When people like Nicholas Tse could get into private schools, this tells you about their admission standards. This country needs standardized university admission exams like the AT and SAT.
作者: Derek128    時間: 2007-12-12 13:40

如果當年有咁易就好..............
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2007-12-12 13:50

I'm not sure if this is a trick from the univercities...first admit all applicants (i.e. suck money from tuitions and stuff), then kick them out if they don't have a satisfactory GPA...

Or...they below average people will continue their days in U and graduate eventually...but then our workforce will decrease in quality...
作者: SAZABI    時間: 2007-12-12 13:58

I don't think the university will lower the standard, so the quality of the graduates should be ok.
When I went to school, they started to lower the requirements already and accept A LOT of people 1st year.  I heard that more people were admitted, but the kick-out rate also increases.
It is ok if they just lower the requirement for admission, but not the requirement for graduation.
作者: Nox    時間: 2007-12-12 14:18     標題: 回復 5# 的帖子

I agree!  Sung Butt Fong Si ah!!!!!!!!!

Back then even 80% won't get into SFU or UBC!!
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-12 16:37

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作者: kmo    時間: 2007-12-12 19:42

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-12 16:37 發表

It seems to me that this is the approach that many eastern Canadian universities are adopting, and I think it is an extremely disruptive process for the froshes. You accept everyone into first year f ...



absolutely agree with Traum !!!!!
If uni lower the standard and accept almost everyone....and use first-year as the tool to select ppl....( like the provincial exam did )...... i would call that's very cold blood....and too care about the profit from tuition.......
作者: WaruiOne    時間: 2007-12-12 20:41

but then, if they can't get into university after high school... isn't that the same thing as being kicked out? minus the 1 yr "wasted", of course. they don't get kicked out right away though, well at least in sfu, u get another semester to prove yourself.

as for the tuition, since it actually increases profit by accepting everyone as well, i doubt they would take it away after they begin this trend.... they would not want to remove the extra income afterwards.
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2007-12-12 22:18

乜仲有人care大學既咩?
一場遊戲而已
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-12 22:20

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作者: Intelstan    時間: 2007-12-14 18:59

I strongly disapprove of this new lowered criteria.
作者: Mashimaro    時間: 2007-12-15 02:32

i have talked to some of the profs in the SFU ENSC department about the outdated programs. Their reply was that for the past 2 years they are already trying to restructure the old ENSC programs (like make it easier or less BS in some of the courses). they are also wondering why they can only produce very small amount of ENSC Grads every year comparing to other universities. (well I think...very heavy  course load and the minmum gpa requirement for staying in ENSC could contribute to such result....) To me their old prestigious programs are really outdated, some courses are already unsynchronized from the modern world.

I see they  have lowered the admission level for a larger 1st years student intake again... but the down side is that around 20~30% of the students do not wish to continue in ENSC after their first year due to the course workload ( but these guys are getting B+ in other grade 12 averages! I asked them personally )

I believe this lowered requirement is just an illusion for students that is to make them think ENSC is something for them before full understand what ENSC really is. With the additional  pressure from family(especially Chinese) , this is certainly something that most new students won't consider until the problem is right in front of them. By then time is lost.

[ 本帖最後由 Mashimaro 於 2007-12-15 02:35 編輯 ]
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2007-12-15 05:32

I am one of those lazy students. Still in highschool now at the ripped age of 19, I plan to go in to UVic and finish a degree in Humanities.  I am a pretty average student in Highschool, due to my lack of effort. Teachers recognize my talent in English and History, yet they can't do anything about it to bump up my marks. I am quite sure I can get in UVic now since there's no provincial. I don't believe in a curriculum,  how is that a way to obtain knowledge? Through writing some test and essays you forget after the term? Hundred of years ago, graduation in University is an achievement gained through the acquisition of knowledge. Today it is just a piece of paper to generate a good career.
作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-15 08:34

原帖由 Mashimaro 於 2007-12-15 02:32 發表
i have talked to some of the profs in the SFU ENSC department about the outdated programs. Their reply was that for the past 2 years they are already trying to restructure the old ENSC programs (like  ...


I'm so glad I didn't go to SFU's ENSC... but it's not just ENSC and not just SFU, there is always a disconnect between the modern world and the academics.
作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-15 08:36

I wonder would that mean a master degree is needed for engineering and computer science in the future....

what a waste of people's time.
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-15 10:33     標題: 回復 15# 的帖子

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作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-15 10:37

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作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-16 08:44

原帖由 Ovaltine 於 2007-12-15 05:32 發表
I am one of those lazy students. Still in highschool now at the ripped age of 19, I plan to go in to UVic and finish a degree in Humanities.  I am a pretty average student in Highschool, due to my lac ...


I totally agree with you on the fact that the current education system does not really work in many cases - rarely do people find what they learnt at school marginally useful later on.  On the other hand, like any infrastructure out there, there's always a way to "beat" the system - and I don't mean doing that by cheating, but by learning how to optimize the effort such that one can maximize his/her score at school.

It's almost like we have to adopt the mentality that we have to both learn things for ourselves and to learn things so that we can "beat the system".
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-16 12:16

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作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-16 16:25

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-16 12:16 發表

In response your post, PigHeadBone, I would argue that the point of the basic education system is not to teach you something useful in terms of factual information. Rather, it is to instill a way of  ...


no doubt about that - my point though is that people who complain about the education system for teaching rather seemingly impractical stuff should spend the energy to look for ways to beat the system instead.

That's the single most important soft skill that needs to be learnt.

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作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-16 16:52     標題: 回復 23# 的帖子

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作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-16 17:38

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-16 16:52 發表
Understood.

It seems like you think knowing how or learning how to beat the system is the most important skill that a student should learn. On that point, I do not agree with you. While it is certain ...


it's the world I'd like to see too where "solid foundation" would "beat" the system, unfortunately, in reality that's not how it works.  

To change how the world works, you need to become powerful.  One of the most important skills is to know how the system works and how to play it better than anyone else - and that system maybe the economical system (to become rich), political system (to become politically powerful and change how the world works), or what have you.
作者: Caffie    時間: 2007-12-17 15:55

咁死得喇…我中學科科合格凈係英文唔合格 -________-""
作者: 開心人    時間: 2007-12-18 23:03

i still dont' get this new system... soo... the admission requirement sare lowered? but does it mean they won't look at your other marks sin... maybe the requirement is low.. but they still look at other grades to determine admission.
作者: notgoddy    時間: 2007-12-18 23:15

"To change how the world works, you need to become powerful."

Or become a real pest, like a virus. Good ideas are unstoppable. Like suicide bombing.
作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-19 07:43

原帖由 notgoddy 於 2007-12-18 23:15 發表
"To change how the world works, you need to become powerful."

Or become a real pest, like a virus. Good ideas are unstoppable. Like suicide bombing.


The real problem with suicide bombing though, is you can only do it once.
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-19 10:37

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作者: pigheadbone    時間: 2007-12-19 20:20

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-19 10:37 發表

精人出口，笨人出手。 你幾時見過拉登自己出來做  suicide bombing 架？

-力

what happened to 身先士卒
作者: Hyde    時間: 2007-12-26 18:21

原帖由 maldini 於 2007-12-12 12:38 發表
When people like Nicholas Tse could get into private schools, this tells you about their admission standards. This country needs standardized university admission exams like the AT and SAT.


all you need is $$$ to get into private schools
作者: AmericanBeauty    時間: 2007-12-31 06:06

Whatever happened to good old days when only elite students can get into university??
University is not called an ivory tower for no reasons.  It should be a place for intellectual development, not a club fed.
It seems like university nowadays is the new high school; everyone needs to graduate from it in order to get a job.  I always think that the person flipping burger at McDonald's is going to require a university diploma sooner or later.  That is so wrong!  University should remain a place for elite students.  If a person couldn't make it to university, they should go to vocational school and pick up a trade skill or two.  There are so many university students who are simply not university student materials, yet they are fighting to pass their courses to get the diploma so they would have a chance to get a decent job.  A lot of them end up failing or getting really crappy marks, which in term did not lead the to a decent job, and they ended up wasting a few years of their lives chasing an empty bubble.  I'm glad that I made it out of university in one piece.  However, I don't even want to imagine what my children will have to go through in terms of education.  Everyone is going to have a master degree 20 years from now, just like how everyone has a bachelor degree instead of just a high school diploma nowadays?  Tuition fee sky rocks while our salary is not even catching up with inflation?  Life sounds so miserable all of a sudden. >_<
作者: Traum    時間: 2007-12-31 11:03

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作者: AmericanBeauty    時間: 2007-12-31 13:11

I made it through university, but it was not by choice, Lik.  I opted to go to BCIT instead of university to study computing after school because I knew I would do bad at university.  But when I graduated, computer industry was taking a big hit from bad economy and a lot of companies closed down.  Most companies will take university graduates over non university graduates because they only have limited openings and they wanted the cream of the crop.  I was not competitive enough of a computer programmer and I had a hard time getting a decent job.  At that point, I was left with two choices: marry someone rich, or be more competitive.  I had to get back to school - not by personal choice, but froced by the general trend of everyone being a university graduate.  I said to myself, "I've done school and I knew what it was like to go to school for the purpose of getting a job.  This time around, I went to university and studied in a different field.  Why not enjoy the educational experience and study something I enjoy?"  I studied in a field that does not scream "You're going to get a high paying job when you graduate!"  I picked courses that I enjoyed but would have very little practical values (First Nation Art was one of my courses, go figure!).  I had no problem getting a job upon graduation.  However, I was hired because my boss saw the work I did in the computing field before I got into university.  For better or for worse, my university degree got me a job, but it's sad to see how a university diploma is nothing more then a ticket to a job nowadays.  If university education was to made available to everyone because the university experience is going to promot personal growth, then this is not playing out because I see a lot of university graduates who are just like high school students (I even have to supervise some of them at work, sigh).  If university was to be the new high school, then stop charging people so much money for attending one!  Alright, enough ranting on university.  I'm gonna adore my pay cheque and stop fighting reality.



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