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作者: Admin 時間: 2008-12-10 09:24 標題: To all LYK members

Long time no see !!!
I just received an email today regarding a post made by our members.

致：loyaukee.com

我集團在主席楊受成博士帶領下，現已成為一間從事地產、酒店、金融、娛樂電影、出版印刷、飲食及零售的多元化的上市集團，在香港和世界各地享有良好的聲望。近日，我集團發現貴公司運營的網站上載有包含對楊受成博士之不實陳述和攻擊性的言論。

Link removed

上述網頁登載的言論內容嚴重失實，包含大量人身攻擊及冒犯性之內容。這些不實的陳述在公眾領域和商務領域給楊受成先生造成了極其負面的影響，已導致並可能進一步導致楊受成先生之名譽受損。

我集團認為貴司對所營運之網站所登載的內容應履行合理的審查和注意義務，當發現侵權行為時，應有責任及時採取技術措施，制止侵權內容的存在和傳播。

現我集團要求貴司：

1、於2008年12月12日下午17：00之前刪除有侵權資訊的頁面，並確保該頁面不能夠被繼續訪問。
2、收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。

鑒於以上，希望貴司能夠及時履行作為互聯網服務提供商應盡的義務。

作者: qqmaro 時間: 2008-12-10 09:44

Do they have the right to do that?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 09:58

LYK/member can be sued for defamation...

Be careful when we're playing this kind of game with Mr. Shxxp....doctor? makes me want to vomit...

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 11:06 編輯 ]

作者: myversa 時間: 2008-12-10 10:09

I must have missed it...

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:21

原帖由 myversa 於 2008-12-10 11:09 發表 2、收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。

not even the canadian government can do that without the prove of criminal activities involved (like child porns)

I dont know what link did that LYK member post and what content it contains, but if only for flaw opinions like rumours that we can find in most hk magazine, they shouldnt have right to do that.

作者: ravemother 時間: 2008-12-10 10:22

since when did companies start monitoring internet traffic like china?

worst is, it is demanding our personal information. wtf

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2008-12-10 10:23

which one was it?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:25

anyways, good side is, this thread can boost up some travel of LYK for a period of time, maybe?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:26

原帖由 librazhy 於 2008-12-10 11:24 發表
which post? see see

於2008年12月12日下午17：00之前刪除有侵權資訊的頁面, you still hav 2 days, no panic.

but they ask our admin to do the things like the ex-CEO of yahoo did in china

作者: snowtree 時間: 2008-12-10 10:34

收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。

This violates the privacy act, isn't it? so we can sue admin if he does that?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:38

原帖由 snowtree 於 2008-12-10 11:34 發表
收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。

This violates the privacy act, isn't it? so we can sue admin if he does that? ...

forget my previous comments, I think that letter looks very suspicious. Probably I shouldn't get so hot headed

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2008-12-10 11:48 編輯 ]

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:44

HOLD ON!!!
this letter looks supicious!!
it didnt mention the formal name of the company that has 楊受成 be the boss

so I think admin should make sure that this letter is from the company that lead by 楊受成 but not a scam before doing anything

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-12-10 10:45

我覺得Admin俾人玩。。。

LYK traffic is a joke, I don't think people will care.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 10:47

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2008-12-10 11:45 發表
我覺得Admin俾人玩。。。

thats what I am thinking

作者: Admin 時間: 2008-12-10 10:56

I have all their company info, contact phone number, fax number and name, email etc etc.
It is very easy for me to verify if this is a true letter or fake letter.

I just did not copy and paste those info to the web.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:01

原帖由 Admin 於 2008-12-10 11:56 發表
I have all their company info, contact phone number, fax number and name, email etc etc.
It is very easy for me to verify if this is a true letter or fake letter.

I just did not copy and paste those ...

did u verify?

作者: Admin 時間: 2008-12-10 11:02

Yes, verified as I checked the email header and the email was sent from that company.
All related mail servers are from Emperor.

作者: Admin 時間: 2008-12-10 11:06

Also, as stated in the letter, we can see "上載有包含對楊受成博士之不實陳述和攻擊性的言論。"

I double check the post again and again and yes, the member used full name and those are 攻擊性的言論.

In the second reply post, another member already questioned the poster she/he will be get sued if using full name.

The third reply from the poster stating that he copied/forwarded this message from other website only.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:08

原帖由 Admin 於 2008-12-10 12:02 發表
Yes, verified as I checked the email header and the email was sent from that company.
All related mail servers are from Emperor.

did u send an email to their PR and verified if they have really sent u that letter?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:09

原帖由 Admin 於 2008-12-10 12:06 發表
Also, as stated in the letter, we can see "上載有包含對楊受成博士之不實陳述和攻擊性的言論。"

I double check the post again and again and yes, the member used full name and those are 攻擊性的言論.

In ...

even so, I think u should make sure they have right to ask u to provide the personal information of the poster to them. You know, we are in Canada. Not even the RCMP / international police can do that easily

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2008-12-10 11:11

wow... what else can I say.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 11:12

You guys still think this is a fake letter? Does it matter if it's fake or not? If you still keep this kind of post you open yourself up to risk anyway. It's very easy for EEG to search forums and send out warning letters...

Be safe than sorry lor...

作者: librazhy 時間: 2008-12-10 11:16

what exactly did that member post?

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2008-12-10 11:17

Haha, people seems forgot the guy who upload BT and got sued.
In HK/China, anything is possible................(as long as you have power and money).....

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:22

原帖由 吳孟達 於 2008-12-10 12:17 發表
Haha, people seems forgot the guy who upload BT and got sued.
In HK/China, anything is possible................(as long as you have power and money).....

hk has only one guy upload BT?

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-12-10 11:22

I didn't know that we are so popular, congras Admin.

Admin should find out if it is LEGAL to give out personal info to third party first.

老實講，果D抹黑同人身攻擊既技倆，我地都係從方向報，方向雜誌果D地方學返黎，呢D咪叫自食其果囉

作者: fibbi 時間: 2008-12-10 11:23

Remove that link seems reasonable. But providing private information like IP doesn't seem right.
Do they have power to demand info? But yeah...I can understand to avoid trouble...we don't have the $ and power to deal with .....X_X

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 11:27

I think if they take this to court, the judge could give an order/warrant. The thing is, are you sure you want to go that far? Will you spend the money to even show up at the court?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:28

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 12:27 發表
I think if they take this to court, the judge could give an order/warrant. The thing is, are you sure you want to go that far? Will you spend the money to even show up at the court?

so u think the admin should turn that member in?

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2008-12-10 11:29

Lucky when i signed up with LYK, I used fake email and was signed up at aberdeen center using wifi.......and you know my member ID is also not my real name la..

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-12-10 11:32

原帖由 吳孟達 於 2008-12-10 12:29 發表
Lucky when i signed up with LYK, I used fake email and was signed up at aberdeen center using wifi.......and you know my member ID is also not my real name la..

so do you think you are safe? If you say something bad about Mr. Yeung, Admin will still track you down and hand you to him!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 11:39

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-10 12:28 發表

so u think the admin should turn that member in?

why? just delete the post and everyone's butt is safe.

作者: snowtree 時間: 2008-12-10 11:39

原帖由 吳孟達 於 2008-12-10 12:29 發表
Lucky when i signed up with LYK, I used fake email and was signed up at aberdeen center using wifi.......and you know my member ID is also not my real name la..

I don't think that will be safe, they can still track down by the IP you used to get on LYK, unless you always connect to LYK from a place you rarely go

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:45

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 12:39 發表

why? just delete the post and everyone's butt is safe.

ok, misunderstood
delete the post is reasonable of course.
I thought u asking the admin to "obey" their orders and give the personal info of lyk member to them

作者: fibbi 時間: 2008-12-10 11:50

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 12:39 發表

why? just delete the post and everyone's butt is safe.

No la SB, they demand Admin to turn the member's IP and personal info as well.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 11:51

原帖由 fibbi 於 2008-12-10 12:50 發表

No la SB, they demand Admin to turn the member's IP and personal info as well.

u know what, that is the most suspicious part

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 11:54

I know...at this point they can't request that...that's a bridge of privacy...until they take this to court, everyone should be fine.

So send an apology and DON"T PISS THEM OFF! They probably got tons of lawyers in house

作者: B仔 時間: 2008-12-10 11:58

haha

交完人之後, 聽日就有鹹魚上頭條新聞
阿彌陀佛
罪過罪過

作者: snowtree 時間: 2008-12-10 11:58

本論壇的管理人員會儘可能在第一時間內處理任何有爭議性的文章,若有所遺漏的部份,請通知管理人員處理.

本論壇的文章內容不代表站方的言論,管理人員不對會員所發表的文章內容負任何的責任.

您必須同意不發表任何不良的文章內容,如果您觸犯規定,管理人員將會做出處理.

所有文章發表人的 IP 位址都將被儲存以防止任何的違法情節發生.

您必須同意管理人員在任何時間刪除、修改、移動或關閉主題的權力.

作為一個會員,您必須同意您所提供的任何資訊都將被存入資料庫中,這些資訊除了管理人員之外不會對外公開,但不保證任何可能導致資料暴露的駭客入侵行為.

This is shown on the member registration page of LYK.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2008-12-10 12:04

You guys will be sued by Fairchild next.

作者: B仔 時間: 2008-12-10 12:06

原帖由 snowtree 於 2008-12-10 12:58 發表
本論壇的文章內容不代表站方的言論,管理人員不對會員所發表的文章內容負任何的責任.

咁係咪Admin可以唔洗理佢, 因為佢地貴公司冇能力摑那個member出嚟?

appology letter 都慳返. 又唔係Admin做錯
Admin冇責任交人 or appologize 架bor~

[ 本帖最後由 B仔於 2008-12-10 13:10 編輯 ]

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 12:12

no court order....I would ignore it lor...just send an apology and delete the post

Whoever that member was....please stand up for what you have said/posted here....

be a (repsonsible) man!!! LOL lesson learned?

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2008-12-10 12:13

This is what i found:

02.06.02 若老友記會員上傳於老友記討論區之任何內容違反所在國家之任何法律或規定時，溫哥華老友記將保留向相關執法部門提交違法會員個人資料之權利。

作者: librazhy 時間: 2008-12-10 12:15

i dont want to know who that member is

but i want to know what he/she actually posted?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 12:15

原帖由 B仔於 2008-12-10 13:06 發表

咁係咪Admin可以唔洗理佢, 因為佢地貴公司冇能力摑那個member出嚟?
appology letter 都慳返. 又唔係Admin做錯
Admin冇責任交人 or appologize 架bor~

is it that hard to apologize? an apology saves many troubles (putting money in your pocket)!

it's just being nice and courteous

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 12:17

I wonder what Admin will do now...turn him in? "hug" him?

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-12-10 12:19

now I'm curious about what the post was all about ...

a) Just remove the link
b) put up a banner saying that "thou shouldn't do this again" (i.e. not to post 失實，包含大量人身攻擊及冒犯性之內容 ... blah blah blah

write them a letter saying a) and b) were done. and it's also LYK's interest to prevent
失實，包含大量人身攻擊及冒犯性之內容 from being posted on the forum. Thanks for informing

that's all. no apology is needed.

作者: B仔 時間: 2008-12-10 12:22

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 13:15 發表

is it that hard to apologize? an apology saves many troubles (putting money in your pocket)!

it's just being nice and courteous

咁求其搵人瀝名道歉都得啦~

Admin無為硬饉~
大集團欺小,搵勢同錢dat人

作者: librazhy 時間: 2008-12-10 12:22

i guess there will be a reward if he turn him/her in

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-12-10 12:25

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 13:15 發表

is it that hard to apologize? an apology saves many troubles (putting money in your pocket)!

it's just being nice and courteous

Apology implies fault is admitted. they could seek damage compensation easily.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 12:31

that depends on what kind of apology la of course...

admins have the responsiblity to remove harmful posts here...and if they fail, I don't think an apology will cause any damage on the forum's part. Plus, in the member agreement it clearly said that it's not the forum's liability for inappropriate posts

[ 本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 13:34 編輯 ]

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-12-10 12:36

actually, who is the member?

作者: myversa 時間: 2008-12-10 12:46

put up a big apology ad in the front page of the three local newspapers.

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2008-12-10 13:05

I read the letter couple times..

It seems that the deadline is HK time.
But they did not mention it.

Should admin do it using our time or their time.

Anyway, it seems their IT department is sucks..

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2008-12-10 13:11

Ask Hype to talk to Mr. 楊 law... I am sure they know each other ..

作者: piggie_boo 時間: 2008-12-10 13:33

原帖由 吳孟達 於 2008-12-10 13:13 發表
This is what i found:

02.06.02 若老友記會員上傳於老友記討論區之任何內容違反所在國家之任何法律或規定時，溫哥華老友記將保留向相關執法部門提交違法會員個人資料之權利。 ...

this means that admin can only turn him/her in to the court or RCMP if that person breach the law...but admin just can't give it to any lawyer only because they ask for it...they simply don't have the right to get it

admin should just delete the post and reply saying that there's nothing he can do abt revealing personal information of that member because the CANADIAN law don't allow him to do so

if admin really listens n turns this person in...i don't even wanna be a cd-rom here anymore

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 13:40

原帖由 吳孟達 於 2008-12-10 13:13 發表
This is what i found:

02.06.02 若老友記會員上傳於老友記討論區之任何內容違反所在國家之任何法律或規定時，溫哥華老友記將保留向相關執法部門提交違法會員個人資料之權利。 ...

so who is the 相關執法部門???
since when did EEG become the 相關執法部門 and have the rights to do such things?

also, did u contact EEG to confirm about this letter?
Many IT professionals know how to write a simple program with PHP to generate an email with the sender same as their email address and pretend it is an email sent by them

作者: Admin 時間: 2008-12-10 13:43

I know what you are talking about.
This is not an email spoofing.
I can easily locate the email sender server address and can confirm that where it is coming from.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-12-10 13:52

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2008-12-10 14:11 發表
Ask Hype to talk to Mr. 楊 law... I am sure they know each other ..

LOL, and ask peter to write the response letter:

"Comeon moron, sorry!"

plus, Admin, please deny all guest visit from now on

作者: chunsh 時間: 2008-12-10 13:55

原帖由 Admin 於 2008-12-10 14:43 發表
I know what you are talking about.
This is not an email spoofing.
I can easily locate the email sender server address and can confirm that where it is coming from.

ok, good

remember, not even the our real 相關執法部門 in our country have the right to request for personal information easily and without any doc from court

作者: raima 時間: 2008-12-10 15:47

i'm interested in knowing why do they want "2、收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。"

and i wan to know what will happen if lyk don't comply?

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 15:55

It'll be difficult, and not worth their money to sue anyone on an odd forum posting anything bad concerning any of their people, especially one with low traffic and little impact to HK in general. Given LYK's traffic and exposure, it'd probably be ruled that there's insufficient damage done to the 'victim' such it won't be sufficient to constitude libel/defamation.

Just what I think, and I'm no lawyer. But at this stage, I'd be more concerned with breach of privacy if LYK releases anything to them at this point. The max LYK can do is close down the thread and tell them that according to Canadian (probably HK too) law, no information can be released. They have to ask the court for an order to get the information, if they want to. They'll stop pursuing at that point for sure.

If anything, probably just a small division in their company or some secretary hired to scare forums in deleting negative (defaming or not who knows, might be the truth half the time anywyas?) posts. If LYK deleted that post it's exactly what they want to achieve. They'd have a lot better use of their time and money than to take any legal action whatsoever.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 15:57

原帖由 raima 於 2008-12-10 15:47 發表
i'm interested in knowing why do they want "2、收到本函7天之內：提供給我集團上傳或發表上述帶有侵權內容言論之公司/個人的註冊資料（名稱、聯絡方式等）、IP位元址等詳細資訊。"

and i wan to know what will happen ...

Nothing will, as I said in the post above this, they probably just want LYK to remove the posts. They probably won't bother revisiting and check-up again.

作者: daimo 時間: 2008-12-10 16:00

The argument isn't that about LYK defamed them.  It is about if LYK did the diligence to prevent it from happening.

Technically, they can sue for civil damages if they can prove that the issue causes actual damages (translated into a $ figure) and LYK didn't do the diligence to prevent it from happening.

(another point is that they can't sue LYK for NOT giving them the personal info)

It's a civil case, so local authorities won't be involved.

They win or not isn't the biggest issue (yet).  It's the lawyer's fees (and time) that will kill Admin.

of course, I doubt they will actually proceed into the court case.  too much $ for an oversea website.

[ 本帖最後由 daimo 於 2008-12-10 17:02 編輯 ]

作者: akshea 時間: 2008-12-10 16:40

收到本函7天之內 ar ma... Just tell them I haven't receved ur 函 mei duck law... =P

作者: zoids 時間: 2008-12-10 16:45

One thing for sure, if LYK submit my info. due to any problem without my own consent other than ordered by judge in Canadian Court. I will absolutely sue admin and LYK.

作者: goldie 時間: 2008-12-10 16:56

我 googled 了一下，是和Wikipedia這項有關嗎？
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E6%A5%8A%E5%8F%97%E6%88%90

作者: Austin 時間: 2008-12-10 16:57

原帖由 chunsh 於 2008-12-10 14:55 發表
ok, good

remember, not even the our real 相關執法部門 in our country have the right to request for personal information easily and without any doc from court

No, anyone has the right to request for the information. It's LYK who do not have the right to release the information without the person's consent.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 17:39

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-12-10 16:00 發表
The argument isn't that about LYK defamed them. It is about if LYK did the diligence to prevent it from happening.

Technically, they can sue for civil damages if they can prove that the issue causes ...

Don't think it is possible for LYK to do any due diligence to prevent it. but yes they can remove the infringing content upon request, which LYK did. I don't think even discuss/golden HK ever got sued. We are far from discuss/golden HK. Max is the poster get sued, if that's even possible in the first place.

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2008-12-10 17:47 編輯 ]

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2008-12-10 17:46

which post was it anyways? and which user?

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 17:48

原帖由 bbqfish 於 2008-12-10 17:46 發表
which post was it anyways? and which user?

Look at the Wiki link, it has the title of a copy of the infringing content. Correct me if I'm wrong, but something related to '10 crimes', etc.

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2008-12-10 17:51

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2008-12-10 18:48 發表

Look at the Wiki link, it has the title of a copy of the infringing content. Correct me if I'm wrong, but something related to '10 crimes', etc.

says link removed.. content removed..

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-12-10 17:53

原帖由 zoids 於 2008-12-10 17:45 發表
One thing for sure, if LYK submit my info. due to any problem without my own consent other than ordered by judge in Canadian Court. I will absolutely sue admin and LYK.

you will never be able to find out who submitted your stuff...lol

it could be "hackers"....lol

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2008-12-10 17:55

maybe we should 潛水怕被屈機.
plus, does LYK have a function of the members going back to check what they posted before??? Hard to determine who it was if we don't even remember what we said several months ago.

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作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 18:02

原帖由 bbqfish 於 2008-12-10 17:51 發表

says link removed.. content removed..

I meant in the wiki page, there's the TITLE of what it might be about... can't expect me to post a link to the content, which I think can still readily be found on google?

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2008-12-10 19:06

when did we even talk about 10 crimes on LYK?

作者: zoids 時間: 2008-12-10 19:12

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-12-10 18:53 發表

you will never be able to find out who submitted your stuff...lol

it could be "hackers"....lol

go ahead and try this excuse on my lawyer if it happens.

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2008-12-10 19:20

作者: Yui 時間: 2008-12-10 19:26

其實封信係該集團出的，還是其代表侓師出的？我在想如果ａｄｍｉｎ因私隱條例吾交人，對方有心（又有錢）搞大件事，訴諸法侓，到時都幾麻煩．

如果不是侓司信，可以拖住先，不一定要挨打，對方要求７天內回覆，ａｄｍｉｎ大可說因為事件關係到加拿大私隱法，不能輕易把會員個人資料提交，就算要交，亦要先知詢法侓顧問，須時處理．更可以問對方拿些個人資料來作可用途，ａｄｍｉｎ絕對有權問個清楚明白，知多一點再行動不遲．

同時通知個位會員，說明你的立場，你會保障他的私隱，但若事情真的要升級至法侓行動，就絕對有可能／機會把他的資料交出（相關執法部門）．

今次事件ａｄｍｉｎ只是夾在中間，我想不用上身．

今天格言－君子慎言！！

作者: ACooperFan 時間: 2008-12-10 22:14

原帖由 zoids 於 2008-12-10 17:45 發表
One thing for sure, if LYK submit my info. due to any problem without my own consent other than ordered by judge in Canadian Court. I will absolutely sue admin and LYK.

agreed...and what happened to freedom of speech??? since we're in canada??? the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom??

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-12-10 22:34

admin, 其實你大可以同佢地講你冇keep 呢一d information, 除非佢地出搜查令, 否則你都可以唔理佢地.

不過, 如果你想大義滅親既話, 又或者該機構比單生意你做既話, 你大可以將d account既IP address send比投訴人, IP address應該唔係私隱黎既. 但係"個人的註冊資料", 就要睇下入面有乜野information, 不過基本上, 呢d 都唔算係個人私隱. (當年大陸都"問"yahoo攞左異見份子既資料啦)

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 22:37

原帖由 ACooperFan 於 2008-12-10 22:14 發表

agreed...and what happened to freedom of speech??? since we're in canada??? the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom??

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can defam people. Where does that line draw? It's once again settled in court... Is that line going to be fair? Nope... The only other solution... 人類補完計畫 maybe... LOL.

If they really want the IP/idendity list, admin can just tell them that he is willing to co-operate under proper legal procedure, aka - they should go get a court order. Almost impossible that they can sue LYK, esp when they won't get benefit out of it. If they really wanna pursue the poster, if the idendity/IP is revealed under illegal ways (aka, infringing privacy), this evidence won't even stand in court probably.

That's why I say, delete post, tell them LYK will love to co-operate with legal enforcement if necassary if they do decide to pursue this via proper legal procedure.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-10 22:40

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-10 22:34 發表
admin, 其實你大可以同佢地講你冇keep 呢一d information, 除非佢地出搜查令, 否則你都可以唔理佢地.

不過, 如果你想大義滅親既話, 又或者該機構比單生意你做既話, 你大可以將d account既IP address send比投訴人, ...

LOL, China has privacy laws? Especially when it's the state that wants something? I am sure Canada has it's dark side, but comparing it to Chinese privacy law is a bit too far fetch maybe?

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2008-12-10 23:23

你哋攪乜, 楊先生咁叻就唔駛攪到冠A單嘢咁一鑊泡啦。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-12-10 23:47

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2008-12-11 14:40 發表

LOL, China has privacy laws? Especially when it's the state that wants something? I am sure Canada has it's dark side, but comparing it to Chinese privacy law is a bit too far fetch maybe?

Acutally, the case was NOT related to any privacy laws, it was related to business.
Since China's market is so large that YAHOO! could not miss the chance to develop its business in China, they handed out all the things that China government wanted.

similar case, if 投訴人 gave a large project for admin, I think admin may consider to give out those "not so private" information to 投訴人. I really don't think it would violate privacy laws.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2008-12-10 23:50

LMAO

They can't do shXt to any of us in Canada.
They can't do that to the china mainland neither, how they do that to us?

They "BIG" us only.

SO SCARE~~~~~~
WHY DON'T WE CLOSE THIS FORUM??????

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-12-11 01:06

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-12-11 15:50 發表
LMAO

They can't do shXt to any of us in Canada.
They can't do that to the china mainland neither, how they do that to us?

They "BIG" us only.

SO SCARE~~~~~~
WHY DON'T WE CLOSE THIS FORUM?????? ...

I am in HK gar...

作者: pigheadbone 時間: 2008-12-11 06:45

what's the original "violating" content - does it really contain false accusations?

If the content is actually the truth but they just don't like him being shown in a negative light, we should not delete the link but instead post it all over internet.

作者: CWong 時間: 2008-12-11 08:57

小李可以連梁諾洛施单嘢都擺得平，Admin 应该快啲揾小李入股LYK！

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2008-12-11 09:29

原帖由 CWong 於 2008-12-11 09:57 發表
小李可以連梁諾洛施单嘢都擺得平，Admin 应该快啲揾小李入股LYK！

no need la, we have Hyde ma, he knows everyone

作者: PAnn 時間: 2008-12-11 10:53

naked foto again?

作者: goldie 時間: 2008-12-11 11:26

如果係同 10 crimes 有關，咁好多網頁都已經俾楊受成博士威嚇過而且好似 Wiki個版咁「保護」左啦。（不過還有好多 all over the web.）
忍唔住想批評楊受成博士手下負責危機管理個部門。要保護一個成為公眾人物既老闆既名譽，唔係咁週圍威嚇D網民，天真咁唔準佢地出聲加嗎。大家個嘴慎言了，心裡就更加唔平衡，成為下一單麻煩事既開端！
管理危機，有短線控制，長線處理，再長線D既增建名譽。在加拿大，從總理到反對黨以下，全體國民才剛剛互相亂罵一通，仲搞到有人下台，有什麼大不了的？
楊受成博士應該炒左班負責危機管理個部門D人，可以集體聘請LYK做顧問，保證楊受成博士既名譽，唔會好似過去兩、三年咁，節節下降。
LYK顧問團有加拿大人胸襟，國際視野，也有愛中國的情意，請楊受成博士考慮，考慮。

作者: CWong 時間: 2008-12-11 11:55

原帖由 goldie 於 11/12/2008 11:26 發表
如果係同 10 crimes 有關，咁好多網頁都已經俾楊受成博士威嚇過而且好似 Wiki個版咁「保護」左啦。（不過還有好多 all over the web.）
忍唔住想批評楊受成博士手下負責危機管理個部門。要保護一個成為公眾人物既老闆既名 ...

佢班手下獸性大发，意识唔夠一般網民咁通情达理嘅！

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作者: siumaibb 時間: 2008-12-11 13:15

梁C浩俾人打，掌門人俾人扑頭，從呢兩件事你就可以知到佢地點對付人啦

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2008-12-11 16:56

香港大陸嘅網上白色恐怖，
估唔到加拿大都可以玩，
更估唔到係有人真係驚添!!!

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作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2008-12-11 16:59

有冇人有高登account??
可以煲大佢黎玩。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2008-12-11 17:10

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-12-12 08:59 發表
有冇人有高登account??
可以煲大佢黎玩。

你咁想玩野就自己create番一個account去玩law, 你係一個勇敢既加拿大人丫麻~

作者: goldie 時間: 2008-12-11 17:33

高登account? 冇呀，
人地高登係做大事既人嘛，
應該唔得閒同我地玩掛。

作者: katamari 時間: 2008-12-11 18:16

你估呢度真係gum出名咩？group mail之嘛！邊個論壇google到有羊xx十宗罪個thread都收到email，豬肉獎人人有份永不落空！老友記唔使覺得榮幸架！

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2008-12-11 18:45

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008-12-10 23:47 發表

Acutally, the case was NOT related to any privacy laws, it was related to business.
Since China's market is so large that YAHOO! could not miss the chance to develop its business in China, they hand ...

Well, for a case where the gov't want information from company that will trigger privacy issues.... then the same thing can't happen in Canada... at least not without infringing actual privacy law which will be enforced (how the court rules is another issue). Hence why I say comparing China to Canada is a bit far fetched...

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