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作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-9 00:06     標題: 投票: 基督徒八大惡劣特徵

Original detail thread here.

Since many of us have a lot of discussions out of the topic already, I think many of us would like to know how actually and directly we think about the original topic. Please feel free to vote, no matter you are a non-believer or a believer of Christian/Catholic or other religion. You are welcome to vote only, or post your further comments. Thank you.

(IMPORTANT NOTE:
This poll is not to challenge or against Christianity/Jesus/bible in any way. Just want to know how people look at this issue.)

[ 本帖最後由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-9 00:09 編輯 ]
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 00:52

不如指明係邊一個基督徒, 咁樣會好d...
唔, 好似我SB同小弟, 你地是但揀一個做"人版"喇~
作者: CWong    時間: 2009-1-9 00:56

唔要你哋，你哋唔似人版，嗱，Ｅ个就似嘞-----〉佢个名叫:多嚿魚

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作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-9 01:00

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-9 00:52 發表
不如指明係邊一個基督徒, 咁樣會好d...
唔, 好似我SB同小弟, 你地是但揀一個做"人版"喇~

There might be many bad examples out of this small forum. I didn't initiate to pin point anyone here particularly, but just talking about general case. If to point out anyone here with name, very likely to start another personal argument, meaningless la.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 01:01


從圖片可見, 多舊魚先生似乎係一個得對眼而又光頭既基督徒.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 01:04

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-9 17:00 發表

There might be many bad examples out of this small forum. I didn't initiate to pin point anyone here particularly, but just talking about general case. If to point out anyone here with name, very lik ...


不如point 我啦, 我一d 都唔怕比人人身攻擊~
<- 這是麥莊莊~

不過, 講缺點之外, 唔該大家都高抬貴手講番一個優點都好丫~ (雖然優點唔多)
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 01:06

多謝大家冇覺得我 "背祖離宗、枉為國人" & "出賣尊嚴、自我作賤 ".
多謝各位!
請踴躍投票! 本人係一號候選人, 麥莊莊~
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-1-9 01:21

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-9 02:06 發表
多謝大家冇覺得我 "背祖離宗、枉為國人" & "出賣尊嚴、自我作賤 ".
多謝各位!
請踴躍投票! 本人係一號候選人, 麥莊莊~

唔緊要MJJ,
你已經成為我既門徒,
一定可以xxx.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 01:23

我幾時做左你門徒呀, M字額先生....
仲有, 一定可以乜野呀? xxx?

(差d 唔記得宣傳一下自己, 我係一號候選人麥莊莊! )

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作者: CWong    時間: 2009-1-9 02:00

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 9/1/2009 01:01 發表

從圖片可見, 多舊魚先生似乎係一個得對眼而又光頭既基督徒.

MJJ，你唔好叫錯人版个名啦，佢聽耶稣教导要得人如得魚，但唔係要得死魚冴，所以佢係叫多嚿魚，唔係多舊魚呀!

[ 本帖最後由 CWong 於 2009-1-9 02:01 編輯 ]
作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-1-9 03:04

I believe we are talking Christians in general. 唔係你想對 number 坐就有得坐. 係成間呀, 個個位都講緊. Maybe as a Christian, the best thing to do is to try understand why other people think of Christians that way. There are rational reasons why rational people do rational things. If people are just trying to randomly attack your religion for nothing, you'll see every field of the poll just maxed out. Instead when you see there are really only speciifc reasons in the poll people feel strongly about, then you know this is not a random attack, but an actual logical and useful poll. Hope you fellow Christians will actually open up and get something out of this.

To raise counter examples, I don't see Buddism being as extreme in their believes or in their missionary works.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 06:18

BiscottiGelato, 唔怪得中國人成日比人歧視啦.
一個人做得唔好就已經足夠累街坊~

不過, 聖人都有錯, 我諗我都係累街坊果隻, 大家都要原諒我呀~
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-9 06:20

真開心, 到而家起碼都有三個人話我冇以上既問題.
而且都仲未有人話我 "背祖離宗、枉為國人" & "出賣尊嚴、自我作賤 "~
請大家繼續踴躍投票! 我一號麥莊莊, 一票也不能少!!!
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2009-1-9 09:01

vow this topic just like the energized bunny, keep on going...

is not fair pointing fingers at christian only.

that "bad apple" doesn't represent their true god or followers.

it's hard to find a true believer and faithful people anymore! sigh!

believe the religious that works for you and be a GOOD PERSON!

for myself, i never believe in any religious! to me is a mind control thing!

think about if there is no religious at all, the world would be totally out of control!
作者: MyOMy    時間: 2009-1-9 10:26

一條 THREAD 仲唔夠, 整多两兜。
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 10:34

原帖由 MyOMy 於 2009-1-9 11:26 發表
一條 THREAD 仲唔夠, 整多两兜。


I just love this:

(IMPORTANT NOTE:
This poll is not to challenge or against Christianity/Jesus/bible in any way. Just want to know how people look at this issue.)
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 11:11

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-9 07:20 發表
真開心, 到而家起碼都有三個人話我冇以上既問題.
而且都仲未有人話我 "背祖離宗、枉為國人" & "出賣尊嚴、自我作賤 "~
請大家繼續踴躍投票! 我一號麥莊莊, 一票也不能少!!! ...


em ...

i do think that 自我作賤 is true ... if you could keep typing in a 35 pages thread.

;-)
作者: samsung    時間: 2009-1-9 11:37

原帖由 habitrailspace 於 2009-1-9 10:01 發表
vow this topic just like the energized bunny, keep on going...

is not fair pointing fingers at christian only.

that "bad apple" doesn't represent their true god or followers.

it's hard to find a tr ...


well... mind control...

我就覺得做人安身立命是需要一個支點﹐
不需看別的﹐只要看這兒無信仰的朋友多麼 hea﹐
有些整天只上網吹水﹐
有些又話人生沒意思﹐想去死﹐
而有信仰那些多麼積極起勁地生活﹐
又有愛心 (像 MJJ)
我倒是情願像那些有的人窩。

注﹕我甚麼都不信/未信的﹐只是討論
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-9 12:09

- Nobody wants to pin point any particular lyk believer here. No one need to over rank himself/herself here and think people are talking about him/her only to ruin the open discussion again.

- Even there is no religion at all in the world, there would still be good and bad people doing good and bad things anyways. Don't religious believers/followers (no matter which religion) have "bad apples" doing bad things, and there are  non-believers doing good things? The world could be the same, or better or worse without any religion.

- If all people need to do is to be a good person, but they don't have the heart and appropriate attitude to believe in and follow the teaching of any religion, then no need to believe in any religion but just try their best to be a good person is fine.
作者: angeldevil    時間: 2009-1-9 12:57

i'm a Christian...
& I disagree with the 8 accusations since I'm not doing these...
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-9 13:42

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-9 13:57 發表
i'm a Christian...
& I disagree with the 8 accusations since I'm not doing these...

oh REALLY?!!
do u mind telling me your opinion about "Goonn Yum", "Guan Dai" and Buddah
and tell me about some churches of christianality disagreement about trinity, the actual birthday of Jesus and the reltionship between Jesus and your Lord
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 13:46

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 04:04 發表
I believe we are talking Christians in general. 唔係你想對 number 坐就有得坐. 係成間呀, 個個位都講緊.  


Kudos to you.  At least you are admitting that these 2 posts are focusing on ALL Christians.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-9 13:51

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 14:46 發表


Kudos to you.  At least you are admitting that these 2 posts are focusing on ALL Christians.


its just depends
if u havn't done those 8 things, then u are not the one who is being targeted to
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 13:53

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 14:51 發表


its just depends
if u havn't done those 8 things, then u are not the one who is being targeted to



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-9 13:54

3）仇視科學、指鹿為馬


I am not totally agree with this
based on my experiences in my secondary school ages and discussions with some other christians (I guess, no way to prove their identity online) do admire the part of sciences/logic that are beneficial to support their teachings. only those logics/theories that have conflicts to their teaching are not welcome
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-9 13:56

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-9 12:57 發表
i'm a Christian...
& I disagree with the 8 accusations since I'm not doing these...

Again, not talking about any one of particular person. We would like to know about GENERAL. BTW, we know you're not doing these, but how about all of your other peer?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-9 13:56

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 14:53 發表



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.


I don't know what you are talking about (and I dont care much haha) . If you have done any of those tihngs, then u are the one we are referring to. If not, I respect u like I respect Jesus
作者: samsung    時間: 2009-1-9 14:13

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-9 01:52 發表
不如指明係邊一個基督徒, 咁樣會好d...
唔, 好似我SB同小弟, 你地是但揀一個做"人版"喇~

salute to you, MJJ.
you want these ppl be free from being accused for hate crime?
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 14:15

原帖由 samsung 於 2009-1-9 15:13 發表

salute to you, MJJ.
you want these ppl be free from being accused for hate crime?


he's such a nice guy.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-9 14:41

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 13:46 發表


Kudos to you.  At least you are admitting that these 2 posts are focusing on ALL Christians.

Of course, there must be a main subject for any discussion or else it becomes meaningless and time wasting. And thus as stated clearly on the topic title, that is the main subject for discussion. It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act. Something like "do you think Canon is a good camera?" Doesn't mean all other brands are bad.
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-9 16:07

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-9 15:41 發表

Of course, there must be a main subject for any discussion or else it becomes meaningless and time wasting. And thus as stated clearly on the topic title, that is the main subject for discussion. It  ...


Using your example, you are actually saying something like "do you think Canon cameras have 八大惡劣特徵?"

"It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act."

It's not up to you to determine if it is an act of attacking.  It's up to the group who is being targeted/stereotyped.

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作者: BiscottiGelato    時間: 2009-1-9 16:32

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 16:07 發表


Using your example, you are actually saying something like "do you think Canon cameras have 八大惡劣特徵?"

"It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act."

It's not up to you to determine if  ...


I'd think that it's useful for the group getting stereotyped to know why they are being stereotyped... Some people want to find out why other people think of them a certain way and possibly improve on that, other people just want to stay ignorant....

Isn't it to their benefit that people are being honest and willing to discuss this? Instead some BS is introduced to the thread to disrupt what is really to their benefit...

Besides, I think discussing about 'Canon cameras 八大惡劣特徵' is an excellent post for people to fully understand the weak points of Canon camera before going ahead to buy one, or know how to use their camera carefully to not allow these weak points to ruin their photos as much. (I use Canon camera, and I heck can go on and on and on about it's 惡劣特徵).

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 16:34 編輯 ]
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2009-1-9 16:55

What the heck is this discussion?

Did your teacher (I'm not gonna say his parents cuz he will get offended again and demand an apology ) teach you what stereotype is and it is not a good thing?  If not, I will tell you here.

"a stereotype is a preconceived and oversimplified notion of characteristics typical of a person or group. They are shortcuts that the mind uses for representation in our memory as summaries of the typical group member. They do not reflect reality properly because, even when they are based on truth, they are still a generalization about an individual which can never be completely accurate."

Anyone stereotyping any one else is not doing the right thing already and you request the people who are being stereotyped to examine themselves?  

"fong tin ha g dai mao"

本末倒置

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作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-9 17:56

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 17:32 發表
I'd think that it's useful for the group getting stereotyped to know why they are being stereotyped... Some people want to find out why other people think of them a certain way and possibly improve on that, other people just want to stay ignorant....

Isn't it to their benefit that people are being honest and willing to discuss this? Instead some BS is introduced to the thread to disrupt what is really to their benefit...

WELL SAID!!!
but if those portion of people among all the others know how to think and act and talk the way you are, that thread wouldn't last for 37 pages long

And ShutterBug just show us another good one
SB, I agree with u that sterotype is not good, but have u ever thought how come there are such sterotype exist?

go look at other hk forums, and you will find much more fights among believers and non-believers

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 18:58 編輯 ]
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2009-1-9 19:19

Good, you agreed that stereotyping is not a good thing, which means it's bad, which means it's wrong.

So, some guy did this wrong thing and you're asking me why this wrong thing exists???

用下腦啦

Don't blame others for your own fault.  Be a responsible man.

乏味...

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作者: shutterbug    時間: 2009-1-9 19:34

欲加之罪，何患無辭

後會有期呀老友!
作者: angeldevil    時間: 2009-1-10 00:27

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 14:42 發表

oh REALLY?!!
do u mind telling me your opinion about "Goonn Yum", "Guan Dai" and Buddah
and tell me about some churches of christianality disagreement about trinity, the actual birthday of Jesus and  ...


well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the temple & participated in all these ceremony & stuffs...
I used to have aggressive Christian friends who keep telling me to believe in it... to go to church... when i ask why, they just replied "believe me, it's really good for you"
& i thought, "I believe you but I also believe that it'll be SOOOOOOSOSOSOSOOOOO boring & I'll for sure regret about it if I go"
that was my mentality... I believe most Christians went through this stage/ something similar, too...

but now, just like many others... I decided to become a Christian...
as I participate in bible study and church, I realize it brings me a peaceful feeling & I am happier...
& what I do as a Christian is only to share with people what my experience is...
coz i did feel that series of coincidence happened on me...
but it doesn't happen on others so they don't believe in it & I can't help it, right.
I can't force them to believe, right... coz then i'll be doing what others did to me years ago...
so I won't even bother doing that... i tried then i tried...
if they're destinate to be able to feel and be involve, they will be.
all i can do is only sharing my own experience & invite them to church & bible study... & do my own part, try my best live like what god wants us to even in the 20th century when things are so different...
I believe doing my own part well is the major key bcoz I become curious as I observe... & that's what triggered me to get to know more about the religion...
& I realized, "hey, i like it... & yuen loi there're so much more about this religion... But is it real? does god listen?"
then something happened, & I believe in it... & it's the feeling that makes it different compared to all other coincidences...
& that's basically about it.
I still respect other religion...
I understand where do all these 8 points come from coz i've been to this kind of situation...
but now i'm confident enough to say that I disagree...
again, this post is not about criticism but comments... & religion is based on opinion...
ya. i hope this satisfy your curiosity...
作者: CWong    時間: 2009-1-10 00:58

well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the tem ...

我俾你滿分！
其它嗰啲掽疍都得嘞！
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-10 01:46

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 13:53 發表



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of Christians having one or more of these 8 things, that's why we have this discussion.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-10 02:54

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 01:27 發表


well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the tem ...


good for you that u have find a way to be happy in your life
and I wish my observation to the christians/chirstianality/churches nowaday is correct: They won't do too much hard-sell to non-believers and spreading their religion by stepping on other people's religion.

let me share mine exp
instead of reading a book with nobody can claim he/she understand the true meaning of each sentence of the bible by the name of god. I would like to 體驗這個世界 by reading news, uncensored real-life video/pictures in battle fields, 3rd worlds 來斷定究竟神的愛是不是滿佈這個世界

if I think back, I think 我和你既相似又不像
我小時候在香港是在天主教 & 基督教學校度過了九年歲月
在開頭的7-8年我有用心上聖經課﹐早會時候會參與pray﹐我沒有領洗﹐不會每餐飯之
前都pray, 沒有每星期返gatherings。 但我對Bible teachings 並沒有抗拒。並覺
得世界應該真的是有神的愛exist somewhere。但最後的一年﹐我開始不信了﹐總覺得那些teaching有些不對勁。至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會。

後來到了加拿大﹐開頭的兩年比較多點時間去想些東西(即係無聊)﹐又開始留意時事﹐看電視新聞﹐讀報(正版同社論)開始更加對聖經teachings同關於神的愛的事情更加質疑。曾和一些基督徒討論﹐但都沒有結果。有人問我為何我不去找牧師討論呢。我有想過﹐但as time goes by﹐ 我覺得沒有必要。 先不說那些什麼神造論 / big bang 論﹐什麼自有永有成不成立﹐我發覺﹐這個世界﹐每天﹐每時每分每秒都有無辜的人枉死(被謀 / 屠殺, cancer, accident etc)﹐而那個常常都高高在上的﹐所謂滿佈慈愛的神﹐有能力去無所不用其極的對異己屠殺(自己看舊約聖經同last chapter of bible) 卻對現今的人見死不救!!!!

有基督徒和我說﹐那些人受苦 / 被殺害是因為人類自己作的"業"﹐好像那些挑起戰爭的政府﹐毒犯﹐etc。唔聽由自可﹐聽左把幾兩把火! 對﹐ 是人類自己挑起戰爭﹐所以他們的國民才會枉死﹐挨hungry and then die with agony。但看著那些在圖中 / video中被炸到所有粉身碎骨既兒童 / 老弱﹐我問﹐為什麼死的不是那些挑起戰爭的狂人﹐而是兒童呢? 為什麼受苦的﹐會是抱著自己孩子屍體的母親呢? 之後我有再問﹐但答案都只有令我更加失望同光火。我開始覺得﹐我小時候那9年的生活中﹐ 俾人昆左。俾人昆左﹐就梗係更加不認同那些teachings了

而今年﹐我有機會去參與2﹐3次一個教會的gatherings﹐ 有分享﹐有聽道。但更加發覺他們大部份所講的道理我都不認同﹐and無意間被我發覺信眾之中出現了那8個問題:
自命屬靈、排斥異己  (please note, I was not the one who was being targeted)
教派衝突、狗咬狗骨  (this is second time I heard about the disagreement
about some chirstianality teachings between different group of christian)

I was like...."forget it man. you guys have fun, see ya!"

但同時﹐我also發覺現今的教會對傳道和對其他宗教的表面態度有別與從前。起碼﹐並沒有好像我的中學老師那樣 insult 其他宗教。這是一件好事。
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-10 05:38

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 02:46 發表

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of  ...


Looks like you don't understand the difference between:
1) Not assuming
vs
2) Assuming Christian in general don't have any of these 8 things
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-10 06:40

Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not perfect, any Christian would have a little 惡劣特徵 anyways. And that might not included in the 8 things. One example of it is, they don't want to face the truth.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2009-1-10 12:37

mo 9 liu....

go back to church and debate all you want
作者: samsung    時間: 2009-1-10 12:39

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-10 03:54 發表


good for you that u have find a way to be happy in your life
and I wish my observation to the christians/chirstianality/churches nowaday is correct: They won't do too much hard-sell to non-believers and spreading their religion by stepping on other people's religion.

let me share mine exp
instead of reading a book with nobody can claim he/she understand the true meaning of each sentence of the bible by the name of god. I would like to 體驗這個世界 by reading news, uncensored real-life video/pictures in battle fields, 3rd worlds 來斷定究竟神的愛是不是滿佈這個世界

if I think back, I think 我和你既相似又不像
我小時候在香港是在天主教 & 基督教學校度過了九年歲月
在開頭的7-8年我有用心上聖經課﹐早會時候會參與pray﹐我沒有領洗﹐不會每餐飯之
前都pray, 沒有每星期返gatherings。 但我對Bible teachings 並沒有抗拒。並覺
得世界應該真的是有神的愛exist somewhere。但最後的一年﹐我開始不信了﹐總覺得那些teaching有些不對勁。至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會。

後來到了加拿大﹐開頭的兩年比較多點時間去想些東西(即係無聊)﹐又開始留意時事﹐看電視新聞﹐讀報(正版同社論)開始更加對聖經teachings同關於神的愛的事情更加質疑。曾和一些基督徒討論﹐但都沒有結果。有人問我為何我不去找牧師討論呢。我有想過﹐但as time goes by﹐ 我覺得沒有必要。 先不說那些什麼神造論 / big bang 論﹐什麼自有永有成不成立﹐我發覺﹐這個世界﹐每天﹐每時每分每秒都有無辜的人枉死(被謀 / 屠殺, cancer, accident etc)﹐而那個常常都高高在上的﹐所謂滿佈慈愛的神﹐有能力去無所不用其極的對異己屠殺(自己看舊約聖經同last chapter of bible) 卻對現今的人見死不救!!!!

有基督徒和我說﹐那些人受苦 / 被殺害是因為人類自己作的"業"﹐好像那些挑起戰爭的政府﹐毒犯﹐etc。唔聽由自可﹐聽左把幾兩把火! 對﹐ 是人類自己挑起戰爭﹐所以他們的國民才會枉死﹐挨hungry and then die with agony。但看著那些在圖中 / video中被炸到所有粉身碎骨既兒童 / 老弱﹐我問﹐為什麼死的不是那些挑起戰爭的狂人﹐而是兒童呢? 為什麼受苦的﹐會是抱著自己孩子屍體的母親呢? 之後我有再問﹐但答案都只有令我更加失望同光火。我開始覺得﹐我小時候那9年的生活中﹐ 俾人昆左。俾人昆左﹐就梗係更加不認同那些teachings了

而今年﹐我有機會去參與2﹐3次一個教會的gatherings﹐ 有分享﹐有聽道。但更加發覺他們大部份所講的道理我都不認同﹐and無意間被我發覺信眾之中出現了那8個問題:
自命屬靈、排斥異己  (please note, I was not the one who was being targeted)
教派衝突、狗咬狗骨  (this is second time I heard about the disagreement
about some chirstianality teachings between different group of christian)

I was like...."forget it man. you guys have fun, see ya!"
但同時﹐我also發覺現今的教會對傳道和對其他宗教的表面態度有別與從前。起碼﹐並沒有好像我的中學老師那樣 insult 其他宗教。這是一件好事。

chunsh:
while listening to your story, I feel bad for you...
至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-10 13:03

原帖由 samsung 於 2009-1-10 13:39 發表

chunsh:
while listening to your story, I feel bad for you...
至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會.



ok, maybe my post was too long, the age while I "至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會" was about 15-16years old
boys around that age in hk secondary school are more concern about basketball than anything

and later on I found out the what where wrong by myself. either from news and from my exp in some church groups
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-10 18:54

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 07:40 發表
Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not per ...


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind into thinking your own view do respresent the mass, regardless of facts.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-10 19:28

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...


wow, miss austin is coming back again
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-10 19:30

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...


really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-10 22:00

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 18:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...

I wonder if you know the meaning of stereotyping? Stereotyping means all of a kind, which I changed to most of a kind already, means not stereotyping.

Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Most (or even all) Christians are kind people" and "Most (or all) Christians feel more mercy"? Would you (people) say I'm stereotyping and stop me saying that? People (maybe especially most Christians) just want to hear nice comments, they just bounce back all the negative even it's constructive comments. 問心la!
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 00:06

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 00:27 發表


I understand where do all these 8 points come from coz i've been to this kind of situation...
but now i'm confident enough to say that I disagree...

You disagree because you had gone thru it. But then, this implies it is like a "must go thru stage" for all Christians? That means all these 8 points are somehow valid, at least in a certain stage.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 05:10

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-11 11:30 發表


really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin


stereotype is all round in the world, I really don't mind to be stereotyped when they are discussing my 八大惡劣特徵.
up to now, I have all 八大惡劣特徵 in the vote la. 真係十惡不赦, 死有如辜~
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 05:12

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 16:06 發表

You disagree because you had gone thru it. But then, this implies it is like a "must go thru stage" for all Christians? That means all these 8 points are somehow valid, at least in a certain stage.


勁!
閣下好有捉字瘙既天份, 係唔係法律界工作? 唔係既話好似有少少浪費.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 05:15

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 14:00 發表
Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Most (or even all) Christians are kind people" and "Most (or all) Christians feel more mercy"? Would you (people) say I'm stereotyping and stop me saying that? People (maybe especially most Christians) just want to hear nice comments, they just bounce back all the negative even it's constructive comments. 問心la!


問心? 你個心同其他人既心一定有唔同, 個個人既心都會唔同啦. 小弟覺得一定有人樂於聽negative comment, 呢個世界上乜野人都有, 正如小弟都相信一定有基督徒殺人放火同姦淫虜x的. (唔識打個x字)
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-11 05:43

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 23:00 發表

I wonder if you know the meaning of stereotyping? Stereotyping means all of a kind, which I changed to most of a kind already, means not stereotyping.

Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Mos ...


Stereotype is simply a generalization opinion of a group of people.  Whether it's "all" or "most", it's still generalizing them.

I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.

For me, I think it's okay to talk about the bad things, but don't stereotype, talk about it case by case.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-11 05:46

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-10 20:30 發表


really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin


I didn't respond to those comment has nothing to do with whether stereotype is acceptable or not.  I don't read all post you know.  

I can tell you now, it's still unacceptable.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 07:57

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 05:43 發表


Stereotype is simply a generalization opinion of a group of people.  Whether it's "all" or "most", it's still generalizing them.

I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.

For me, I think it's okay to talk about the bad things, but don't stereotype, talk about it case by case.

How about I say "All cats like to eat fish" and "Most dogs will obey/listen to their owners"? Am I still stereotyping? Only because you people think those 8 things are not really existing at all. Or how about I say "1 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things" or "8 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things"? To you people, I'm still stereotyping, all because of you guys don't want to face the truth to non-believers' eyes.

Of course, even I say there is only a few Christians have these 8 things in the whole world, there must be "someone" coming up and deny it. And that "someone" is very likely a Christian but not non-believer. Why? Cuz only people in that particular group will defend. Just like your comment, you don't think there will be a Christian saying "no, Christians are not kind and mercy" but only non-believers will. This kind of saying other people are stereotyping all because of certain people don't want to face the truth, not because of whether the issue is stereotyping or not, which it is always an excuse.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 08:25

As BG mentioned, why there are some of these 8 characters have a lot less votes than others if people are stereotyping? Why the lowest has just 1 vote but the highest could up to 17 (up to now)? People can simply pump up everything up to a their happy level if they only want to against and hate all Christians. Yeah, constructive comments could be harsh and mean, and people don't want to listen is also very normal. But you just can't deny the truth.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-11 09:42

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 06:43 發表
I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.


now that is a sterotype
u didnt read all my posts
whatever.......
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-11 17:32

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 08:57 發表

How about I say "All cats like to eat fish" and "Most dogs will obey/listen to their owners"? Am I still stereotyping? Only because you people think those 8 things are not really existing at all. Or  ...


Yes, that is still stereotyping.  My cats don't like to eat fish.  And I know many dogs don't obey to their owner.  So what make your opinion the "truth" and mine is not?

Look here, I am not denying those things and those Christians exist.  Of course they do, but to say most Christians are that way is irresponsible.  There are over 8 million Protestants in Canada alone, so how many you've come across to come to the conclusion that most Christians are how you described.

And let me make it clear to you, I'm not a Christian.  I'm just sick of those anti-christians finding any and every way to attack people.  Just like I'm sick of those anti-gay or racist attacks.

If you want to post your experience, that's fine, to stereotype a group of people is wrong.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-11 17:53

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 09:25 發表
As BG mentioned, why there are some of these 8 characters have a lot less votes than others if people are stereotyping? Why the lowest has just 1 vote but the highest could up to 17 (up to now)? Peopl ...


Because voters are probably voting based on their feeling of that group of people, not necessaily having ATTACK in mind.  

The funny thing is, if like some people believe, that LYK are mostly Christians, and if Christians can't accept "the truth", then how come the highest vote isn't "none of the above"?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 18:00

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 23:57 發表
Of course, even I say there is only a few Christians have these 8 things in the whole world, there must be "someone" coming up and deny it. And that "someone" is very likely a Christian but not non-believer. Why? Cuz only people in that particular group will defend. Just like your comment, you don't think there will be a Christian saying "no, Christians are not kind and mercy" but only non-believers will. This kind of saying other people are stereotyping all because of certain people don't want to face the truth, not because of whether the issue is stereotyping or not, which it is always an excuse.


I can claim that "not all Christians are kind and mercy", do I need to "defend" that? why?
Does a Christian need to defend other Christians even they are doing bad? For me, I don't think so law.

Seems that certain people don't want to face the truth...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 18:05

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 23:57 發表
How about I say "All cats like to eat fish" and "Most dogs will obey/listen to their owners"? Am I still stereotyping? Only because you people think those 8 things are not really existing at all. Or how about I say "1 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things" or "8 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things"? To you people, I'm still stereotyping, all because of you guys don't want to face the truth to non-believers' eyes.


... well, it seems that 1 out of 10 Ultraman enjoys stereotyping~
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 22:00

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 17:32 發表


Yes, that is still stereotyping.  My cats don't like to eat fish.  And I know many dogs don't obey to their owner.  So what make your opinion the "truth" and mine is not?

Look here, I am not denying those things and those Christians exist.  Of course they do, but to say most Christians are that way is irresponsible.  There are over 8 million Protestants in Canada alone, so how many you've come across to come to the conclusion that most Christians are how you described.

And let me make it clear to you, I'm not a Christian.  I'm just sick of those anti-christians finding any and every way to attack people.  Just like I'm sick of those anti-gay or racist attacks.

If you want to post your experience, that's fine, to stereotype a group of people is wrong.

This is kind of silly and childish argument.
For example, I say: "usually human have two eyes and one nose." And you say I'm stereotyping, cuz there are babies only have one eye and no  nose in born. OK, what is stereotyping, and what is a neutral comment? Please don't give rare and exceptional case, which make all comments become stereotyping.

If there is only 10 people in the world, and all of them like to eat fish (including myself). I say: "all the human in the world like to eat fish", am I stereotyping? If 9 out of 10 like to eat fish, and I say: "most human in the world like to eat fish", am I stereotyping? Do you know how many dogs are there in the world? You said you know many, how many? What is the portion? Bigger or smaller portion? How do you know my "most" is not the majority of them but your "many" is?

Once more, what is "stereotyping" and what is "general case"? How to describe general case but not count as stereotyping in your opinion? Or in your pov there should be no general case at all, only case by case?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 22:06

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 17:53 發表


Because voters are probably voting based on their feeling of that group of people, not necessaily having ATTACK in mind.  

The funny thing is, if like some people believe, that LYK are mostly Christians, and if Christians can't accept "the truth", then how come the highest vote isn't "none of the above"?

How do we know every voter's religious background? A believer can vote none of the above, also all of the above; same as a non-believer. You can't assume all believers would defend and all non-believers would against, are you stereotyping too?
You may think: "because numbers of non-believer voters are way more than believer voters, and that's why the voting result is like this". Well, who knows?! People who don't want to accept and face the result could have many different excuse.
作者: kisstherain    時間: 2009-1-11 22:22

People stereotype because they are lazy to find out the truth.
They will 'remember' when they see people from a certain group  doing things that fit their assumption. They tend to forget or ignore when people from certain group doing something not fitting their assumption. A lot of people  goes "See, it's a Richmond c 9 driving again" when they see a Chinese woman not driving so well in Richmond. But do they say anything or even notice  women drive alright in Richmond?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 22:40

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 14:00 發表

This is kind of silly and childish argument.
For example, I say: "usually human have two eyes and one nose." And you say I'm stereotyping, cuz there are babies only have one eye and no  nose in born. ...


大家真係仲未發現其實一切既謎一早已經解開左喇咩?
登登登登~ 等我金田莊莊同大家解釋一下啦!
各人所認識既基督徒, 試問點會係同一班呢? 有人遇著一班冇咁好既, 就當然覺得基督徒唔係好野. 有人遇著一班好既, 就會覺得基督徒係好野啦~
睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!

呢個小弟十分同意, 因為小弟都係一個差既基督徒, 有好多地方要改善呀~ 不過, 包唔包括呢八點就見仁見智啦~
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 23:05

原帖由 kisstherain 於 2009-1-11 22:22 發表
People stereotype because they are lazy to find out the truth.
They will 'remember' when they see people from a certain group  doing things that fit their assumption. They tend to forget or ignore when people from certain group doing something not fitting their assumption. A lot of people  goes "See, it's a Richmond c 9 driving again" when they see a Chinese woman not driving so well in Richmond. But do they say anything or even notice  women drive alright in Richmond?

You better watch out for your own words. Or someone will come up and whine, say you're now stereotyping people who stereotype are all lazy people.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 23:07

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-11 22:40 發表


睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!

Same to you, mjj. You're now stereotyping the possibility of how this result came out.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-11 23:19

My knowledge and understanding of the meaning of the use of some adjectives are as below:

- almost all
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?

- most
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 6 in red, and 4 in green.
I would say "Most apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?


My big question:
Why there are troublesome people who like to make things more complicated, and even worse, turn nothing to a problem, and enlarge a small problem to a big one?
(Note: I only use "there are", but not "almost all", not "most", not even "some" this time, in case someone say I'm stereotyping again.)
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 23:29

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 15:07 發表

Same to you, mjj. You're now stereotyping the possibility of how this result came out.

Ultraman兄, 可否詳細解釋一下小弟o係邊一個層面有stereotype?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 23:32

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 15:19 發表
Why there are troublesome people who like to make things more complicated, and even worse, turn nothing to a problem, and enlarge a small problem to a big one?


我地真係心有靈犀!
我心裡都有呢一個相同既問題, 不過只係唔好意思同大家講law.
作者: kisstherain    時間: 2009-1-11 23:36

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 00:05 發表

You better watch out for your own words. Or someone will come up and whine, say you're now stereotyping people who stereotype are all lazy people.


咪 whine 到夠囉。
作者: daimo    時間: 2009-1-11 23:41

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-12 00:32 發表


我地真係心有靈犀!
我心裡都有呢一個相同既問題, 不過只係唔好意思同大家講law.


我笑咗.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-11 23:44

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-12 15:41 發表


我笑咗.


yeah, 我終於成功create到一個爛gag 了!
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 01:20

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-11 23:29 發表

Ultraman兄, 可否詳細解釋一下小弟o係邊一個層面有stereotype?

You said: "睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!"
To someone's pov, how do you know all "LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒"? One of the other chances is, some LYK might 遇到好既基督徒, but just want to pump up the voting result? And lots more possibilities. So you're stereotyping there is only one possibility.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-12 01:46

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 17:20 發表
You said: "睇投票既數據, 就知道LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒!"
To someone's pov, how do you know all "LYK既voter遇到差既基督徒既機會係大過遇著好既基督徒"? One of the other chances is, some LYK might 遇到好既基督徒, but just want to pump up the voting result? And lots more possibilities. So you're stereotyping there is only one possibility.


死啦~ 今次我又唔覺得自己有問題woh.
雖然你講既野好似好有道理, 真係好似好有道理咁.
但有時道理同歪理只係一線之差, LYK既眼睛係雪亮既, 一睇就知一切都係我錯! 係我stereotyping, 請各位怪我一個好了, 因為我係基督徒之中既敗類呢~

小弟只係一廂情願咁覺得d 人投基督徒有xx問題既時候, 應該係自己親身體會過. 真係完全冇諗過有人會為左pump up voting result 而投票的. 更加冇諗過會有人係為左專登中傷基督徒而投票的.

最後, 如果真係有人惡意投票, 小弟唔介意比佢地打埋另一邊面. (嘻嘻, 比知佢地打唔到我先至咁講架乍~)
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-12 03:19

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 23:00 發表

This is kind of silly and childish argument.
For example, I say: "usually human have two eyes and one nose." And you say I'm stereotyping, cuz there are babies only have one eye and no  nose in born. ...


It seems like you don't understand the different between facts and opinion.

Let me make it easy for you then.

A person now posted these messages:
1) Blonde are stupid
2) Most blonde are stupid
3) 8 stupid things that blonde are doing
4) People who don't think blondes are stupid just not willing to face the truth

Is this person stereotyping? you decide.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-12 03:36

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 00:19 發表
My knowledge and understanding of the meaning of the use of some adjectives are as below:

- almost all
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the  ...


example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping because it is a fact.  You can count what's on the YOUR table

example: There are 10 apples on my table, 6 in red, and 4 in green.
I would say "Most apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping because it is a fact.  You can count what's on the YOUR table

And my example: There are 10 apples on your table, 9 are red and 4 are green
You would say "Most apples on people's table are red"
Question: Are you stereotyping?
Answer: Yes! Because you don't know what's on other people's table.  You are generalizing all tables are exactly like yours.

Another example: There is a box of red and green apples, you see on top they are mostly red
You would say "Most apples in this box are red"
Question: Are you stereotyping?
Answer: Yes! You're generalizing based on what you can see, and not based on the actual count. The apples you can't see at the bottom could be all green.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-12 08:55

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 04:36 發表
1) Blonde are stupid
2) Most blonde are stupid
3) 8 stupid things that blonde are doing
4) People who don't think blondes are stupid just not willing to face the truth


in matter of speaking, I will use your example, and please 唔好又有一個走出來話唔知我講mud
no one here said "most blonde are stupid", but we, at least I said, every sterotype must not come from no where. I have read so many debate/discussion/fire in other forum between non-believers and believers. Most arguments in forum  or in real-life show that the bad one we met have the bad characteristics from those 8.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-12 09:24

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-12 09:55 發表


in matter of speaking, I will use your example, and please 唔好又有一個走出來話唔知我講mud
no one here said "most blonde are stupid", but we, at least I said, every sterotype must not come from no w ...


So you agree it's stereotyping, good for you.

Lets keep using the "blondes are stupid" example.  Relating what you said, so the blondes are stupid stereotype must not come from no where.  Everywhere this person goes he sees "dumb blondes" and hear dumb blonde jokes.  So it must be true that blondes are dumb (again, not my opinion but only as example).
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 10:45

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 03:36 發表


example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping bec ...

Yes, both of us try to make solid and valid examples that are "countable".

However, how to describe some/many cases that are very general and popular in some/many people's mind? Such as, can people say "MOST mothers love their kids", "most dogs love to chew bones", "most cats love to eat fish",...etc, are these still stereotyping? Since people can't really count how many mothers, dogs and cats in the whole world, they can't give these kind of "opinion"? So people should answer "oh, I don't know if mothers would love their kids", "I'm not sure if dogs love to chew bones".... ? This is what I said you are making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems. Don't just object and argue because you just want to.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 11:09

Just want to satisfy some of the LYK here. Now the title is: 有些基督徒的八大惡劣特徵.
How many are there is that "有些"? it could be "just a few" to "quite a few", depends on individual's own experience. Since I think it is very unlikely all the votes were towards the same person, so I think at least there should be more than one Christian who have these 8 characters. And since LYK is just a very tiny forum compare to all others in the whole world, and all forums are just a shrink size of the real society/world,  how many of these Christians are actually there in the whole world? You decide.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-12 11:10

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 11:45 發表

Yes, both of us try to make solid and valid examples that are "countable".

However, how to describe some/many cases that are very general and popular in some/many people's mind? Such as, can people ...


So based on what you said, people who would say that it's stereotyping to say "blondes are stupid" is just making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 11:44

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 11:10 發表


So based on what you said, people who would say that it's stereotyping to say "blondes are stupid" is just making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems.

Now you're stereotyping all cases and situations are the same.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-12 11:56

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 12:44 發表

Now you're stereotyping all cases and situations are the same.


ai...I would just give it up
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-1-12 12:14

我認識很多人都對基督徒有很多不滿﹐可是要他們說“大多數基督徒都是不好”﹐或“耶穌/耶和華/基督教不好”﹐他們卻不同意﹐我都不明白點解呢﹐也許﹐他們心底也是有仔細想過的﹐而不是盲目和應別人吧。。。

可是不管如何﹐我們知道無論信與不信的人﹐都是神所造﹐神所愛的﹐無論兒子如何不認父親﹐父親一樣以無私的愛愛他﹐那是因為他是父親所愛的兒子啊﹐我們要學效父親﹐所以都只會為不認父親的婉惜概嘆﹐卻不會恨他們﹐相反﹐希望他們有朝一日醒覺過來﹐重新認識造他又一直以不變的愛愛他的父。。。
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-12 14:02

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 12:44 發表

Now you're stereotyping all cases and situations are the same.



That's right.  That's because I'm applying your logic.

Actually, I'm just saying this case is the same as the "blonde" case.  I didn't apply to all cases

[ 本帖最後由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 15:31 編輯 ]
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2009-1-12 14:28

小女子對於 #1) “盲目” 這詞很有興趣。。。有趣的是﹐何以見得基督徒是“盲目”信仰呢﹖怎知我們不是再三的反覆去求證的呢﹖反之﹐那些不求證據便說別人“盲目”的似乎還比較“盲目”吧﹖

我建議虛心求證的﹐與不少於 50 個基督徒談談 (RANDOM PLEASE)﹐看看他們到底是否“盲目”﹐是否曾經有去找證據支持自己所信的﹐得到數據後請與我們分享
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-12 14:30

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-12 13:14 發表
我認識很多人都對基督徒有很多不滿﹐可是要他們說“大多數基督徒都是不好”﹐或“耶穌/耶和華/基督教不好”﹐他們卻不同意﹐我都不明白點解呢﹐也許﹐他們心底也是有仔細想過的﹐而不是盲目和應別人吧。。。

可是不管如何﹐我們知道 ...


I disagree about the part about the love of god; however, I think this is a good attitude for believers. And I think if all believers can possess such attitude, the chances that having long pages of fire and this kind of vote would be largely reduced.

afterall, it is impossible to unify everyone's beliefs/moral opinions in the world. You tihnk your god is good? cool, I disagree but I will respect, but I want to be treated the same way
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 17:40

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-12 12:14 發表
...可是不管如何﹐我們知道無論信與不信的人﹐都是神所造﹐神所愛的﹐無論兒子如何不認父親﹐父親一樣以無私的愛愛他﹐那是因為他是父親所愛的兒子啊﹐我們要學效父親﹐所以都只會為不認父親的婉惜概嘆﹐卻不會恨他們﹐相反﹐希望他們有朝一日醒覺過來﹐重新認識造他又一直以不變的愛愛他的父。。。

To Christians/believers, all human are made by God; but to non-believers, not all of them think in this way.
From Christians/believers POV: no matter people believe it or not, all human made by God.
From a beef lover's POV: no matter you like it or not, beef tastes the best.
From a gay: all women cannot be loved.
Are these true?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 17:44

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-12 14:02 發表



That's right.  That's because I'm applying your logic.

Actually, I'm just saying this case is the same as the "blonde" case.  I didn't apply to all cases

I really don't want to waste time to argue with you pointlessly, and even I win you mouth-tongue-ly, it's also meaningless, cuz just the two of us can't represent all people anyways.

Therefore I put up my #81 post, and it should be able to satisfy you.
作者: Surreal    時間: 2009-1-12 18:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


OLD NEWS 出現

but....says it all...haha
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-12 23:17

Thanks for the link, it's very interesting.
To some Christians, it might be offensive. But to many non-believers, it's so true. Why seems Christians/Christianity is the most annoying and ridiculous religion that piss people off? Even some people tried hard to believe, but turned out feeling very upset and disappointed at the end.
作者: Austin    時間: 2009-1-13 03:21

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 18:40 發表

To Christians/believers, all human are made by God; but to non-believers, not all of them think in this way.
From Christians/believers POV: no matter people believe it or not, all human made by God. ...


Taste of meat and love of woman are personal preferences, the existen of God and whether God create human are not, but the belief of God and creation human is personal preference.  In this case, obviously Littleprince has chosen to believe it to be true.  Your question is very much pointless and wrong.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-1-13 04:31

要解釋既, 一早已經解釋左;
要講既意見, 一早已經講哂.

何必再糾纏落去呢?
小弟就玩夠喇, 呢個post 真好, 唔錯~
多謝咁多位LYK積極既參與呢! 亦都多謝admin給予大家一個自由既平台作出理性既討論啊~
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-1-13 11:37

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-13 03:21 發表


Taste of meat and love of woman are personal preferences, the existen of God and whether God create human are not, but the belief of God and creation human is personal preference.  In this case, obv ...

What do you think "the existing of God and whether God create human" are?
作者: soli    時間: 2009-1-13 13:08

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-13 04:21 發表


Taste of meat and love of woman are personal preferences, the existen of God and whether God create human are not, but the belief of God and creation human is personal preference.  In this case, obv ...

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=gNkoY6xuNO8

蘇穎智耶棍唔贊成咩personal preference 窩
仲想要阻止立法﹐話立法會令更多人同性同居(戀)﹐佢係咪痴左線呀?
唔通又係邪靈附體?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-1-13 22:05

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-13 14:08 發表

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=gNkoY6xuNO8

蘇穎智耶棍唔贊成咩personal preference 窩
仲想要阻止立法﹐話立法會令更多人同性同居(戀)﹐佢係咪痴左線呀?
唔通又係邪靈附體? ...


ai...this guy....
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-1-13 22:48

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-13 14:08 發表

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=gNkoY6xuNO8

蘇穎智耶棍唔贊成咩personal preference 窩
仲想要阻止立法﹐話立法會令更多人同性同居(戀)﹐佢係咪痴左線呀?
唔通又係邪靈附體? ...


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係大家講嘅另類份子??

神愛世人，愛和平！
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BUT 搞得後花園，就遲早要還

神愛世人，但同性戀人士就唔係人????
其他人認該受保護，但同性戀抵死！

佢拜嘅係咩神，讀嘅係咩聖經???
作者: 一代烈士    時間: 2009-1-13 22:49

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