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作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-15 14:07 標題: 天堂 VS 地獄

響第個帖子﹐看見有朋友說起關於這方面﹐
很有興趣知道響 LYK 理解中的天堂地獄係咩黎﹖係點架呢﹖
而你又知唔知﹐基督徒所相信的所謂天堂﹐地獄又係D咩黎呢﹖

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-15 14:28

有你地班神棍係度, 就擺晒明係地獄啦

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-15 14:31

得個講字。又冇人死完上了天堂或落過地獄後, 返返生話比其他人聽真有此地方，鬼知係咪真，鬼知係咪D聖經呃鬼人信佢地個教喎!

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-15 14:44

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-15 15:07 發表
響第個帖子﹐看見有朋友說起關於這方面﹐
很有興趣知道響 LYK 理解中的天堂地獄係咩黎﹖係點架呢﹖
而你又知唔知﹐基督徒所相信的所謂天堂﹐地獄又係D咩黎呢﹖ ...

if such places exist,
hell: eternal physical pain
heaven: eternal mental pain

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-15 14:53

人就係咁貪，貪上天堂所以先信教。臨死都係咁so-call "sinful"，信教後咪都係要落地獄，邊會上到天堂bor?!

作者: Surreal 時間: 2009-1-15 14:58

諗返起一篇野....
我轉貼過來先

面對這澔翰廣闊的宇宙，我們不得不承認自己的渺小。羅素說過一句最冷酷無情卻最真實的話：「我們只是一顆微不足道的小行星上的寄生物」 (tiny parasites of an insignificant planet)。認真想想，就會知道宇宙非為我們存在，更不會關心我們的喜樂和苦難。那些以為世界圍著人類運轉，以為我們的存在對整個宇宙有甚麼重要意義的人，是被自己的天真和自大蒙騙了。有些人甚至妄想創造宇宙萬物的是個有人類思想，人類情感，會高興，會動怒，甚至會妒忌，報復，有著一切人類特質的神。還有甚麼比這想法更自以為是呢?

我們這樣想，全因我們是人，只懂從人的角度看世界。假如有隻懂得思想的蒼蠅，牠定會認為創造萬物的是隻超級蒼蠅神，有著所有完美化的蒼蠅特質(有大翅膀，大複眼，超愛糞便等等)。若這套蒼蠅神學也有天堂的概念，這天堂肯定和我們所想不同。那兒將沒有我們慈愛的天父，沒有人類認知的快樂和愛，沒有七十二個排隊等著和你上床的處女；相反，那將會是個臭氣昏天，腐屍糞便堆積如山的鬼地方。當然，那是蒼蠅的極樂世界。假若我們有幸和這隻蒼蠅哲學家辯論，會對他說甚麼? 我們會說：「只因為你是蒼蠅，才會抱著這個以蒼蠅為中心的宇宙觀。收起你的自大，張開眼精看看這個世界吧。」

我們又怎樣? 找個無雲的晚上，抬頭望望天，感受一下宇宙的澔翰和人類的渺小。總有天會恍然大悟，明白我們一直以來是多麼無知和自大。

http://www.openbooknet.com/blogs/u/siusir/2008/06/06/-752

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2009-1-15 15:02

原帖由 Surreal 於 2009-1-15 14:58 發表
諗返起一篇野....
我轉貼過來先

面對這澔翰廣闊的宇宙，我們不得不承認自己的渺小。羅素說過一句最冷酷無情卻最真實的話：「我們只是一顆微不足道的小行星上的寄生物」 (tiny parasites of an insignificant planet) ...

Interesting and agree, not that there's much that we can do about it LOL

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-15 15:14

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-15 15:31 發表
得個講字。又冇人死完上了天堂或落過地獄後, 返返生話比其他人聽真有此地方，鬼知係咪真，鬼知係咪D聖經呃鬼人信佢地個教喎!

我以前未信的時候﹐真的以為別人有甚麼居心﹐是不是有佣收﹖為何這麼想我信﹖

好彩後來查證過﹐除了我自己外﹐是無其他人有任何益處的

[ 本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-15 16:16 編輯 ]

作者: rockystarhk 時間: 2009-1-15 15:15 標題: 回復 1# 的帖子

我只係信對得住天地良心姐
天堂地獄係乜只係d人講ge姐
無證據ge野點信

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-15 15:38

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-15 16:14 發表

我以前未信的時候﹐真的以為別人有甚麼居心﹐是不是有佣收﹖為何這麼想我信﹖
好彩後來查證過﹐除了我自己外﹐是無其他人有任何益處的

D耶穌教，鬼打鬼，自己教分出嚟都話係逆徒（乜唔係人人都係主嘅兒女咩？

），唔信你教個D就咒人go to hell.

似惡作多端多過救世人囉

[ 本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-1-15 16:40 編輯 ]

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-15 15:45

with or without god and hell/heaven
what makes the differences to our daily lives?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-15 16:07

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-15 16:45 發表
with or without god and hell/heaven
what makes the differences to our daily lives?

我地嚟D心靈堅強嘅咪冇咩分別囉。
但係心靈空虛個D咪有精神寄託，比自己一個藉口嚟生存落去囉。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-15 16:38

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-15 16:38 發表

D耶穌教，鬼打鬼，自己教分出嚟都話係逆徒（乜唔係人人都係主嘅兒女咩？），唔信你教個D就咒人go to hell.
似惡作多端多過救世人囉

真可憐呢。。。看來你所接觸的基督徒都好有問題啊。。。

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-15 16:51

天堂？地府？
以为LYK好似天堂，點知入到forum入边至发覺啲人打到死死嗰吓就好似入咗地府一样！真嘅天堂家陣未见得到，地府就週圍都係嘞！

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-15 16:59

最有問題咪就係你呢位基督徒lor

係Forum搵天堂? High左野呀? 毒男
係高登你就已經變成萬能key啦!

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-15 17:01

原帖由 一代烈士 於 15/1/2009 16:59 發表
最有問題咪就係你呢位基督徒lor

係Forum搵天堂? High左野呀? 毒男
係高登你就已經變成萬能key啦!

都話幻想咯！你咁烈做乜！唔通你又High左野呀? 毒男。。。。遇上你，天堂都變地府，乜幻想都俾你破滅晒啦！老实嗰句呀，我真係好有問題，好常幻想！我家陣就幻想係有48H胸又冇JJ个样。。。。呀!好X核突呀!!!!

[ 本帖最後由 CWong 於 2009-1-15 17:10 編輯 ]

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-1-15 17:05

I am not sure about heaven, but if you type keywords like masacare, gaza , china earthquake in google image search, you will definitely see hell...

作者: beaver 時間: 2009-1-15 17:06

係人都會死,又怕死.宗教可以給人類一些安慰.如果無宗教,死的時候少了一些寄託或者期望.有人說病和痛,在宗教上係一種純化過程.所謂青菜蘿蔔,各取所需.天堂地獄,西方極樂,到時再見咯.

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-15 17:13

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-15 18:01 發表

都話幻想咯！你咁烈做乜！唔通你又High左野呀? 毒男。。。。遇上你，天堂都變地府，乜幻想都俾你破滅晒啦！老实嗰句呀，我真係好有問題，好常幻想！我家陣就幻想係有48H胸又冇JJ个样。。。。呀!好X核突呀!!!! ...

去自殺去你既天堂吧啦, 毒男

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-15 17:15

原帖由 一代烈士 於 15/1/2009 17:13 發表

去自殺去你既天堂吧啦, 毒男

老定，我一定揾埋你Ｅ个志同道合嘅毒男一齐去，等你做个真正春袋烈士！

[ 本帖最後由 CWong 於 2009-1-15 17:26 編輯 ]

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-15 17:30

都好難, 若有天堂, 就有地獄
你上你既天堂為主吹蕭

我有我落地獄嫖賭飲蕩吧啦

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-15 17:52

No matter in which religious believe, "heaven" is a general term for a place nice people go after death; and "hell" is a general term for a place bad people go after death.

If the Christianity God will forgive all "sinners" (bad people) once they confess, and so they can all go to "heaven" after death, why do people need to be a good person when alive?
Therefore, many people choose not to believe in any of the religion, just according to their judgment and follow their own hearts to do the "right & good" things when they're alive, who knows where will go to after death, or even there is no "after life" and nowhere to go after death at all?!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-15 18:33

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 07:38 發表

D耶穌教，鬼打鬼，自己教分出嚟都話係逆徒（乜唔係人人都係主嘅兒女咩？），唔信你教個D就咒人go to hell.
似惡作多端多過救世人囉

咁可惡? 你都係少D接觸你所講果D耶穌教既人好D, 以免比佢地影響啊!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-15 18:34

原帖由 一代烈士 於 2009-1-16 09:30 發表
都好難, 若有天堂, 就有地獄
你上你既天堂為主吹蕭

我有我落地獄嫖賭飲蕩吧啦

小心落地獄先至要吹蕭...

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-15 18:48

原帖由 一代烈士 於 15/1/2009 17:30 發表
都好難, 若有天堂, 就有地獄
你上你既天堂為主吹蕭

我有我落地獄嫖賭飲蕩吧啦

又唔好咁講，患难之交又怎能捨你而去！恐怕地府嫖賭飲蕩皆沒有，到时你只是白走一趟！

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-15 20:32

Sorry to say that LP ..
but the topic itself .. got the wrong name ..

never " VS " ... and also .. not becuase there is a heaven .. THEN there is a hell .. or it is not because there is HELL .. then there is a Heaven ..

Read more from Bible .... and as Jesus always ask people to go to Kingdom of God with Him ...

It doesn't matter how the "HELL" will look like .. as I know I won't go there .. sort of not that matter how the "Heaven" is .. whereever I will go, I go, as I believe Jesus is my lord ..

BEFORE I became christian .. I was so so so worry about how bad "HELL" would be ... and there are lots of non bibical RUMOR ... however, it doesn't matter now ..

Um... bacically .. Human being .. can make the choice .. Follow GOD or NOT follow GOD ... not GO HEAVEN or GO HELL. (isolated with GOD ... but not mean you can do whatever u want to ..

)

[ 本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-15 21:37 編輯 ]

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-15 20:47

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-15 21:32 發表
Sorry to say that LP ..
but the topic itself .. got the wrong name ..

never " VS " ... and also .. not becuase there is a heaven .. THEN there is a hell .. or it is not because there is HELL .. t ...

probably u want to tell us about what we can do in the kingdom of god?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-1-15 21:46

我希望你地全部明天上天堂回到天父的懷裡，你地快D上天堂啦！！

[ 本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2009-1-15 22:50 編輯 ]

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-15 22:05

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-15 15:53 發表
人就係咁貪，貪上天堂所以先信教。臨死都係咁so-call "sinful"，信教後咪都係要落地獄，邊會上到天堂bor?!

有趣的就是這句﹕“人就係咁貪，貪上天堂所以先信教。”你說的是你身邊的某人嗎﹖是誰告訴你基督徒是“貪”上天堂而信教的呢﹖就算你身邊有 100 個真是這樣﹐我可以告訴你﹐還有千千萬萬的不是這樣﹐所以沒足夠理據支持的話﹐不要妄下斷語。。。起碼我本人不是因為這個理由﹐而我所認識的千多個基督徒裡面﹐也最少有一半以上不是 (不是說其他的是﹐只是其他的﹐我不清楚)。。。

請問一句﹐你是否 20 歲以下的﹖

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-15 22:10

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-15 21:32 發表
Sorry to say that LP ..
but the topic itself .. got the wrong name ..

never " VS " ... and also .. not becuase there is a heaven .. THEN there is a hell .. or it is not because there is HELL .. t ...

係窩。。。改錯名添﹐多謝指點﹐CP

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-15 23:24

Yeah ..  I am just another old cake ..

And .. I am bad and no mood now la.. when younger .. I was in the visiting team .. etc ..  now .. let the young to do the work la..  lol
(I know, I should be still aggresive ..  )

Anyway, careful about wording ..  so many anti-God in the world ..

And it is always true, as Bible said .. more people againist? more people will believe .. unchanged for last 6,000 years!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-15 23:52

我諗出得呢個topic, 就預左比人challenge架喇.
真金不怕紅爐火, 大家盡情插吧! 小弟會盡量配合大家的~

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 00:30

出嚟行就预咗要还，这是江湖规矩，做得基督徒就预咗俾人插，这是天條！

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 00:30

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-15 20:32 發表
Sorry to say that LP ..
but the topic itself .. got the wrong name ..

never " VS " ... and also .. not becuase there is a heaven .. THEN there is a hell .. or it is not because there is HELL .. t ...

So, what is the relationship between heaven and hell?

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 00:40

原帖由 Ultraman 於 16/1/2009 00:30 發表

So, what is the relationship between heaven and hell?

问吓啲佛教徒啦，佛教同其它宗教都有天堂、地府！

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-16 00:46

佛教有天堂!?......完全忽忽地既
好一個真心膠

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 00:46

According to my limited knowledge, there was no "hell" before God created the world, and also no such thing at the very beginning when the world was being created, cuz "all things are good" created by Him. But after Adam & Eve's "original sin" has been made, "hell" would be the place for "sinners" to go after death. The bible hasn't mention when exactly did God "create" or "name" a place called "hell". Maybe, He just created a new place for such a purpose, or renamed a particular used-to-be-good-place as "hell" afterwards. But no doubt, "heaven" and "hell" are two opposite places symbolic as good (a place that after lives can enjoy) and bad (a place that after lives will suffer) respectively.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 00:55

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-16 00:40 發表

问吓啲佛教徒啦，佛教同其它宗教都有天堂、地府！

佛教 believes there are "六道", 地獄道、畜生道、餓鬼道、阿修羅道、人道、天道. The closest to "天堂" might be 天道, yet their "living condition", "daily life"... etc are way too different.

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 01:02

超仁兄，睇嚟你对佛学也很有心得，不如开个ＰＯＳＴ介绍吓，我本人就一啲都唔介意嘅，知多啲嘢对每个人都係好事！

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-16 01:09

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-16 16:46 發表
According to my limited knowledge, there was no "hell" before God created the world, and also no such thing at the very beginning when the world was being created, cuz "all things are good" created by ...

好似唔知o係邊度聽過以下既故事...
天主造左d 天使出黎幫手管理佢既野啦.
點知有一日有一隻(or 一d)天使無啦啦叛變, 反對天主啦, 咁隻(or 咁d)天使就變左做魔鬼了.
小弟真係唔知係聖誕故事定係童話故事了.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-16 01:11

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-16 17:02 發表
超仁兄，睇嚟你对佛学也很有心得，不如开个ＰＯＳＴ介绍吓，我本人就一啲都唔介意嘅，知多啲嘢对每个人都係好事！

六道輪迴, 聖鬥士星矢都有講架!
係處女座黃金聖衣既天舞寶輪啊~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-1-16 01:12

原帖由 一代烈士 於 2009-1-16 16:46 發表
佛教有天堂!?......完全忽忽地既
好一個真心膠

查賁你係唔係真係Lancer兄黎架?
係既話小弟真係想開個post 去歡迎你回歸woh...

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 01:23

原帖由 一代烈士 於 16/1/2009 00:46 發表
佛教有天堂!?......完全忽忽地既
好一個真心膠

，春袋烈士毒瘤男你好衰，你又冇一早话我知我又点知唧，都同你咁深膠咯，你都唔提我，衰鬼你又真係同我一样咁忽忽地既！

[ 本帖最後由 CWong 於 2009-1-16 01:47 編輯 ]

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-16 01:24

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-16 02:09 發表

好似唔知o係邊度聽過以下既故事...
天主造左d 天使出黎幫手管理佢既野啦.
點知有一日有一隻(or 一d)天使無啦啦叛變, 反對天主啦, 咁隻(or 咁d)天使就變左做魔鬼了.
小弟真係唔知係聖誕故事定係童話故事了. ...

thats one of the reason I think god is not perfect when I was thinking about it years ago.
how come so many thing he made have defect (bugs) and will 暴走.
the worse thing is, he just doesn't clean up his biggest mess or debug or whatever you name it, those fallen angels and let them seduce us and then blame us for doing sin.

作者: noa 時間: 2009-1-16 01:55

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-16 01:55 發表

佛教 believes there are "六道", 地獄道、畜生道、餓鬼道、阿修羅道、人道、天道. The closest to "天堂" might be 天道, yet their "living condition", "daily life"... etc are way too different. ...

或者係西方極樂世界？因為係天道裏面o既人都要繼續經歷輪迴

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 09:03

講真，如果你地個教真係淨係講神交咁大把，古代時候（特別係以前嘅歐洲）就唔會插手政治啦～獨裁者咁～貪權力吧

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 09:40

B 仔﹕

講個故事你聽﹕

從前有兩個人﹐行行下街見到有一間屋﹐門窗關閉﹐甲同乙講﹕“度窗閂得這麼實﹐裡面一定是賣毒品的”﹐乙不同意﹕“不然﹐應是亂交派對”﹐甲堅持地說說﹕“不會吧﹖亂交外面不是這樣子的﹐若不是賣毒品就一定是槍械集團。”然後乙憤怒了﹐再說﹕“我說不是就不是﹐若不是亂交就一定是賣淫的。”他們爭論不休﹐拗得面紅耳赤﹐誰都不肯讓步﹐可是也誰都不敢按按門鈴﹐窺探裡面有甚麼。。。

隔了一會﹐門開了﹐他們探頭進去﹐原來只是一家普通房子﹐一家四口快樂地手牽手走出來﹐他們於是奇怪地問﹐因何門窗關得這麼緊呢﹖原來門窗緊閉只係因為防盜﹐而不是有甚麼不可告人的勾當。甲和乙都猜錯了。。。

這故事想說甚麼呢﹖我這兩天在聽你的發言﹐你一直說基督教“真係淨係講神交咁大把”﹐甚麼 “貪上天堂”﹐“貪權力” 這樣那樣﹐可是你就像那兩個在外面窺看的人﹐從沒主動看看裡面﹐是否真的如你所想的﹐只是在猜﹐猜完了便一口咬定自己所說的是對的﹐這並不是科學精神呢。。。

關於宗教的帖子夠多了﹐我們還是繼續說天堂和地獄吧。。。

作者: MSN04 時間: 2009-1-16 09:54

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 10:40 發表
B 仔﹕

講個故事你聽﹕

從前有兩個人﹐行行下街見到有一間屋﹐門窗關閉﹐甲同乙講﹕“度窗閂得這麼實﹐裡面一定是賣毒品的”﹐乙不同意﹕“不然﹐應是亂交派對”﹐甲堅持地說說﹕“不會吧﹖亂交外面不是這樣子的﹐若不是賣毒品就一定是槍械集團 ...

Hmm... I thought the story can apply to both sides wor.
It also implies that while you insist there is a God and argueing with other people, there may actually nth, or just Satan waiting for you in the heaven?

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 11:19

原帖由 MSN04 於 2009-1-16 10:54 發表

Hmm... I thought the story can apply to both sides wor.
It also implies that while you insist there is a God and argueing with other people, there may actually nth, or just Satan waiting for you in ...

I don't think you get my point, my friend

quote: "這故事想說甚麼呢﹖我這兩天在聽你的發言﹐你一直說基督教“真係淨係講神交咁大把”﹐甚麼 “貪上天堂”﹐“貪權力” 這樣那樣﹐可是你就像那兩個在外面窺看的人﹐從沒主動看看裡面﹐是否真的如你所想的﹐只是在猜﹐猜完了便一口咬定自己所說的是對的﹐這並不是科學精神呢。。。"

if you could actually join the church, read the bible, associate with God, etc.... you will find out it's not as you said 真係淨係講神交咁大把”﹐甚麼 “貪上天堂”﹐“貪權力” 這樣那樣...

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作者: MSN04 時間: 2009-1-16 11:22

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 12:19 發表

I don't think you get my point, my friend

Care to enlighten me? :p

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 11:25

原帖由 MSN04 於 2009-1-16 12:22 發表

Care to enlighten me? :p

sure, the house is not = heaven.

and further elaboration upstairs

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 11:37

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 09:40 發表
B 仔﹕

講個故事你聽﹕

從前有兩個人﹐行行下街見到有一間屋﹐門窗關閉﹐甲同乙講﹕“度窗閂得這麼實﹐裡面一定是賣毒品的”﹐乙不同意﹕“不然﹐應是亂交派對”﹐甲堅持地說說﹕“不會吧﹖亂交外面不是這樣子的﹐若不是賣毒品就一定是槍械集團 ...

Seems like many Christians are the ones who 固步自封 but not the non-believers.
Many non-believers have questions in mind and dare to ask out, yet they didn't find the answers so they choose not to believe in the religion (or not yet). However, once people believe and belong to that particular group, seems they forgot all about what they used to questioned before, and don't understand why non-believers have all those kinds of questions, and also ignoring all other possibilities but just to think that their believe is the only true.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 12:09

小王子小姐，
你一開始就誤會我嘅出發點了。我所講嘅，係我所目睹的，係歷史記載的。我問的，係因為我有疑問，係因為你地個教有太多自我衝突。妳個故事，已經sterotype了路人甲同乙。講真，路見一間屋門窗關閉又咩咁出奇呢？當然係為防盜la! 邊有屋大開中門？你地歧視別人，莫怪別人有疑問囉，我覺得。

就返番topic咁講啦。打個比喻：當你故事的那間屋係人生終點，打開門，點解一定要係天堂或地獄呢？點解唔好以接受人嘅終點就乜都終止呢？

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 12:11

接受人嘅終點就乜都終止 not = 人嘅終點就乜都終止 ar ma ...

I want to 接受 when open my garage next morning .. NO more snow .. but not = no more snow tomorrow ma ..

We always want what we want .. but not mean we can get what we want ar ma....

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 12:16

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-16 12:37 發表

Seems like many Christians are the ones who 固步自封 but not the non-believers.
Many non-believers have questions in mind and dare to ask out, yet they didn't find the answers so they choose not to believe in the religion (or not yet). However, once people believe and belong to that particular group, seems they forgot all about what they used to questioned before, and don't understand why non-believers have all those kinds of questions, and also ignoring all other possibilities but just to think that their believe is the only true.

大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親身經歷神﹐當神的大愛臨到﹐你就明白到自己的渺小﹐而並不是仍然有問題未解答到就不信。。。

我們信的是﹕

1. 我信上帝，全能的父，創造天地的主。
2. 我信我主耶穌基督，上帝的獨生子；
3. 因著聖靈感孕，從童貞女馬利亞所生；
4. 在本丟彼拉多手下受難，被釘在十字架上，受死，埋葬；
5. 降在陰間；第三天從死里復活；
6. 祂升天，坐在全能父上帝的右邊；
7. 將來必從那里降臨，審判活人，死人。
8. 我信聖靈；
9. 我信聖而公之教會；我信聖徒相通；
10. 我信罪得赦免，
11. 我信身體復活；
12. 我信永生。阿們！

我們信神的全知全愛全能﹐我們小小的腦袋當然不可能知道所有事 (例如苦難的問題)﹐我們是被造的﹐被造的能否挑戰造物者﹕你造的是甚麼呀﹖你為甚麼這樣做呀﹖為甚麼要造我呀﹖

我們有甚麼資格﹖我們的生命多麼短暫﹐在宇宙間連微塵都及不上。。。我只知道﹐當神進入我的心﹐我的生命改變﹐價值觀改變﹐人變得輕省快樂﹐罪不再轄制我﹐相反是我靠神管理一切﹐就像造物的最初。。。

我們還是討論天堂地獄吧。

[ 本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 13:20 編輯 ]

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 12:18

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 13:09 發表
小王子小姐，
你一開始就誤會我嘅出發點了。我所講嘅，係我所目睹的，係歷史記載的。我問的，係因為我有疑問，係因為你地個教有太多自我衝突。妳個故事，已經sterotype了路人甲同乙。講真，路見一間屋門窗關閉又咩咁出奇呢？當然係為 ...

上面已解釋了﹐屋並不是說天堂地獄。

甲乙丙也並非 sterotype﹐而是表示一些不知內裡的人的隨便猜測論斷。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 12:21

這樣說吧﹐信耶穌不是討論出來的﹐是要接受的。

所以再討論也是無益﹐大家下來的問題我不會再回應的了﹐謝謝~~~

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 12:26

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 12:16 發表

大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親 ...

Do you believe in "ghost" (not spirit or holy spirit)? And are there ghosts in the world and around you all the time? Some people can give "proofs" to prove their believe is "real", just some people don't believe it. However, to believe in a religion is like "to feel" it and you'll believe, it's something very abstract like a mystery, people who believe think it's real because they can "feel it", people don't because there is no concrete scientific proof. Who's right and who's wrong, or both right or both wrong?

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 12:31

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 12:16 發表

大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親 ...

Moreover, you ignore the possibility that some people tried hard in a sincere way to believe in this religion and attending to church and studied bible for many many years, but found out it's not as "real" as it claimed, and they couldn't "feel" its realness, and think all the God, bible, holy spirit... are all BS, so they decided not to believe it anymore. It's like, people won't know they're being cheated until one day they realized.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 12:31

Littleprince,
我夠知個故事裡間屋唔係代表天堂／地獄囉～
所以我咪話，換個角度嚟打比喻用人的終點囉～ no conflict
同埋，點解妳要離開discussion? 我唔覺得我地傾得有D咩問題喎～

Catpiano,
喺你地教嘅眼中，係打開門就一係天堂一係地獄。
我講得好清楚，打開門可能係/者要接受乜都冇，而唔係好似你咁講，歪曲我意思，話打開門係一定乜都冇。請分清楚

[ 本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-1-16 13:38 編輯 ]

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 12:42

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 13:21 發表
這樣說吧﹐信耶穌不是討論出來的﹐是要接受的。

你地唔傳教，同人講（討論）耶穌，人地又點接受＆信你喎？咁funny...

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 12:52

唔好意思Off topic, 但係我無啦啦諗左樣好奇怪的想法。。。（講真的：罪過罪過，有怪莫怪）

如果Adam & Eve 偷食禁果（扑野）咁係罪，咁我諗到點解耶穌冇罪喇！因為佢係神冇扑野而生出嚟嘅！咁係咪test tube babies/invitro-fertilization生出嚟嘅嬰兒都應該冇罪呢？？？

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 13:08

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 13:42 發表

你地唔傳教，同人講（討論）耶穌，人地又點接受＆信你喎？咁funny...

你的問題都好好﹐只係響版面好難全面解釋比你聽﹐真有興趣就參加 ALPHA COURSE 吧﹐那兒有專人解答你的問題。真有興趣請 PM我﹐我給你介紹適合的。

你有一點說對了﹐耶穌是無原罪﹐是因為乃童女所生。。。而 TEST TUBE 那些﹐始終有男同女的精卵結合﹐那男女都是有罪的人﹐所以BB還是有罪。

看來 ADMIN 真的要慎重考慮開一個宗教區﹐比真正想知的人有地方發問。

PS: I can't wait to see your long curly lashes

and thanks for replying so detail on that thread

[ 本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 14:09 編輯 ]

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 13:30

我有問題
**舉手** 哈哈～

但係童女都係又人生出嚟的。。。由佢肚生咁搞笑，由一個有罪嘅人生出一個冇罪嘅"人"，似乎唔係咁妥o播～耶穌反生時，都係無啦啦唔知喺邊度走反出嚟啦，咁點解出世時唔可以咁呢？如果童女一個唔該，唔小心比人拿去浸豬籠，生唔出耶穌咁點算？話童女幸運被抽中好？定係話童女比神玩耍了，未婚就搞大肚？嘅然童女都係未婚媽媽，咁點解你地個教咁注重唔好婚前扑野／生仔呢？幫神生仔，又冇話免地獄。

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 13:34

Good good .. more and more question now .. haha ..

In our point of view ( human) of course, lots of 如果 .. however, if you accept that is the decision of GOD ( let's just assume there is a GOD .. ) then from GOD .. there is NO 如果 la...

Anyway .. good to ask more question, of course, I am lazy to answer .. but I am sure most Pastors are more then happy to .. I know many pastors in Vancouver wor .. ( actually .. some of my buddies .. ARE pastors now ..

I feel shame tim .. still always making joke on them .. lol )

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-16 13:41

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 13:16 發表
當神的大愛臨到

當神的大愛臨到?
oh yeah, after some "angels" blow some horns, every living thing on earth would be killed in oh-so many painful ways
we got monsters, sulphur rain, meteor rain.... Even pregnant women, babies, children and old people have no exception!

And if we still alive, we can see what is called "blood bath"

yeah, some of them maybe able to go to "heaven", but before that, they needed to be "slaughtered" by "神的大愛" in the terrible way.

神的大愛? hm....its depends on how people define "大愛"

when I love someone, I won't hurt them

everyone, lets turn to the page where the last chapter of the Bible began.....

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-1-16 14:42 編輯 ]

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 14:39

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 14:34 發表
Good good .. more and more question now .. haha ..

In our point of view ( human) of course, lots of 如果 .. however, if you accept that is the decision of GOD ( let's just assume there is a ...

咁唔通教人成世唔講如果咩。。。
我又未見過D教人囉"整定"嚟個伺嚟代替"如果".
唔通你整定有罪，要落地獄，咁SUPPOSE你點做都係冇用架播。可以同天堂kiss goodbye??

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 14:53

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 15:39 發表
唔通你整定有罪，要落地獄，咁SUPPOSE你點做都係冇用架播。可以同天堂kiss goodbye?? ...

You are actually correct! so .. I 整定 will go Heaven .. however, I can't say who is 整定 not to heaven ...

As peopel here always say " GOD Know! " so .. only GOD know .. whoever the "God" they refer to .. but every day .. we hear people say " GOD KNOW! " so . there is something ONLY God know .. and we don't... as something u know, and I dont .. or the other way around...

And since we dont know who is 整定 to go heaven ... but we would like to share with others, listen or not, not up to me ... it is simple, I know God, and I know God is good .. and I want to tell and share with my friends and family ...

As I saw some good deal from best buy/Future shop .. then email to my friends .. they may be interest at it, or not ... I just pass the message.

I am not going to discuss if God is fair or not .. or if God is mercy or not .. as there are so many haters/sad thing happened in history .. some people like to blame that to God .. some people liek to blame Hilter or whoever ... and it is not going to change.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-1-16 14:55

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 15:39 發表

咁唔通教人成世唔講如果咩。。。
我又未見過D教人囉"整定"嚟個伺嚟代替"如果".
唔通你整定有罪，要落地獄，咁SUPPOSE你點做都係冇用架播。可以同天堂kiss goodbye?? ...

B 女 (仔)

﹕

我又問返你﹐如果當初秦始皇無焚書坑儒﹐如果毛澤東無出世過﹐如果沒有鄧小平﹐呢個世界會點﹖唔係話叫你唔好講如果﹐而係﹐歷史係沒有如果。。。

我們今天有聖誕節﹐復活節﹐有所謂公元前﹐公元後﹐有這麼多改變了的靈魂﹐在在已經證實了耶穌的確出現過響世上。。。就算你不同意﹐看看美麗的花﹐千萬種美麗的魚兒﹐看看這設計精美的宇宙﹐看看我們人類的智慧 (起碼你識問問題﹐識追求生命從何而來﹐往何而去﹐最少你家中養的小貓不會曉得)

﹐你就會明白﹐這世界沒有造物者是沒可能的﹐正如聖經說﹕

“自從造天地以來、　神的永能和神性是明明可知的、雖是眼不能見、但藉著所造之物、就可以曉得、叫人無可推諉． (羅馬書1﹕20)”

當然﹐如果耶穌是主﹐祂是掌管萬有的﹐祂與天父原為一﹐沒有做不到的事﹐又有甚麼可能有你所說的種種原因而出生不了呢﹖

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 15:16

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 15:53 發表

You are actually correct! so .. I 整定 will go Heaven .. however, I can't say who is 整定 not to heaven ...

As peopel here always say " GOD Know! " so .. only GOD know .. whoever the "God" they ...

你咁肯定你上天堂？因為你信教？點解咁肯定呢？（我唔係咒你落地獄，唔好誤會LOL）
咁唔通個個整定有罪，要落地獄架喇。。。BUT如果你信神大佬就有唯一嘅出路？似恐嚇感覺bor

咁即係你個教，唔係無條件為"人"，係有條件咁收o靚???唔係自己o靚就整定冇得搭車上去搵大佬。。。咁點稱得上係偉大的神呢？咁小氣~

[ 本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-1-16 16:19 編輯 ]

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-16 15:41

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 16:16 發表

你咁肯定你上天堂？因為你信教？點解咁肯定呢？（我唔係咒你落地獄，唔好誤會LOL）
咁唔通個個整定有罪，要落地獄架喇。。。BUT如果你信神大佬就有唯一嘅出路？似恐嚇感覺bor 咁即係你個教，唔係無條件為"人"，係有條件咁收o靚??? ...

thanks for saving my effort of typing

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-1-16 15:55

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 15:55 發表
我又問返你﹐如果當初秦始皇無焚書坑儒﹐如果毛澤東無出世過﹐如果沒有鄧小平﹐呢個世界會點﹖唔係話叫你唔好講如果﹐而係﹐歷史係沒有如果。。。

我們今天有聖誕節﹐復活節﹐有所謂公元前﹐公元後﹐有這麼多改變了的靈魂﹐在在已經證實了耶穌的確出現過響世上。。。就算你不同意﹐看看美麗的花﹐千萬種美麗的魚兒﹐看看這設計精美的宇宙﹐看看我們人類的智慧 (起碼你識問問題﹐識追求生命從何而來﹐往何而去﹐最少你家中養的小貓不會曉得) ﹐你就會明白﹐這世界沒有造物者是沒可能的﹐正如聖經說﹕

“自從造天地以來、　神的永能和神性是明明可知的、雖是眼不能見、但藉著所造之物、就可以曉得、叫人無可推諉． (羅馬書1﹕20)”

當然﹐如果耶穌是主﹐祂是掌管萬有的﹐祂與天父原為一﹐沒有做不到的事﹐又有甚麼可能有你所說的種種原因而出生不了呢﹖

lol
我九成竹星，唔係好識你講個幾位伯伯。。。只知道頭個位係個君主，後兩位俗稱"阿爺"。

hmm...咁佛誕，觀諳節等等（唔係淨指佛教）。。。同耶穌冇乜關係喇掛～

我地永遠唔係小貓小狗，冇可能話佢地唔識問嘅～就好似早幾版有人話，人同蒼蠅唔同角度，冇可能一口拗定動物唔識野。

神如果係創造所有，有罪嘅人，天堂，地獄。。。咁講嘅話，乜都你講哂。人就唔洗有思想啦～但係，應該唔係咁，因為人有得選擇信或唔信，咁即係唔係神整定架啦？？？

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 16:01

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 13:08 發表

你的問題都好好﹐只係響版面好難全面解釋比你聽﹐真有興趣就參加 ALPHA COURSE 吧﹐那兒有專人解答你的問題。真有興趣請 PM我﹐我給你介紹適合的。

你有一點說對了﹐耶穌是無原罪﹐是因為乃童女所生。。。而 TEST ...

Err... I really doubt if what you said/believe is right.
The "original sin" was because Adam & Eve 偷食 "禁果", and this was the actual forbidden apple from the forbidden tree that God told them they should not eat, not the nowadays translation as "扑野" (make love). And the "original sin" could be anything, any "order" from God, such as God could have said Adam & Eve should not pee on the particular flower field but they did so... etc (just an example, the meaning of it is Adam & Eve didn't listen what God told them). Moreover, since then, God said from then on women would suffer pain when giving birth. And that implies that women won't suffer any pain at all when giving birth before the "original sin" has been made; and that pain is kind of punishment to Eve for she tempted Adam to eat the forbidden apple. But of course, since both of them had eaten the apple together, that's how the "original sin" came from and that's why God said all human thereafter has this "original sin" too. (kind of the idea of "the offspring from a pair of sinners are sinful too"). And this is also what many non-believers don't like to accept, it's like why their grand parents were thieves and then they become thieves too, even they didn't do anything bad.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 16:05

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 16:16 發表

你咁肯定你上天堂？因為你信教？點解咁肯定呢？（我唔係咒你落地獄，唔好誤會LOL）
咁唔通個個整定有罪，要落地獄架喇。。。BUT如果你信神大佬就有唯一嘅出路？似恐嚇感覺bor 咁即係你個教，唔係無條件為"人"，係有條件咁收o靚??? ...

Of course I am sure la..  and again ..  it is not Heaven vs Hell ..  not going to heaven, not mean will go to "so called" hell ..

It is just either make the choice to -> A. follow God (that we believe) or B. not follow God.

Period.

So ..  whatever you guys beleive .. if you guy think ..  once died --> ended .. or go to whatever HELL you guys imagine .. ( 18 level Hell?? ) that is ok ..

I guess most importand, I know where am I going if I get into car accident tonite, and died. (so, if u dont see me in loyaukee .. u guys know, I died .. and waiting to be with GOD .. lol)

I am not sure if other christian did 恐嚇 you before .. as I won't ..

Just like if you are hungry now, there is a piece of Pizza, and a piece of Candy ..  and u pick the candy ..  it is all up to you ... (u may say, na .. I am not going to eat .. )

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作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 16:07

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 14:53 發表

You are actually correct! so .. I 整定 will go Heaven .. however, I can't say who is 整定 not to heaven ...

As peopel here always say " GOD Know! " so .. only GOD know .. whoever the "God" they ...

整定?! I really surprise you think like that. If so, every single human has been 整定 that they can either go to heaven or hell after death, then why Christians need to spread the gospel and go to church and ask people to believe in God? Since God has planned everyone's future anyways? All Christians can just sit back relax and watch TV at home la.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 16:19

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 16:05 發表

Of course I am sure la.. and again .. it is not Heaven vs Hell .. not going to heaven, not mean will go to "so called" hell ..

It is just either make the choice to -> A. follow God (that we ...

Are you clear for what your believe is?
According to what bible clearly written, either human will go to heaven or hell after death, there is no 3rd option at all. You shouldn't believe in something you don't even know about.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 16:21

That is why .. I always relax at home and watch TV ... and go loyaukee ...

well .. it is kind of not easy to explain .. U can go those the book of James ... It is 整定 .. but we dont know how .. ( hey, we are just human! )

Um .. just like I know my wife loves me, I know my mom loves me .. but .. I dont know how to prove it .. and I can't prove it .. and I dont even want to prove it .. but I know it ..

Other people may also "see/feel" the love from my mom and wife .. but they can't prove it too .. and they can't FEEL it .. if they dont spend time to know us well ..

I am not going to PROVE anything from GOD .. as it doesn't matter to me ..

He he .. anyway .. it is just me .. not all christian are like that .. lol I am just a happy guy!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-1-16 16:23

原帖由 B仔於 2009-1-16 13:52 發表
唔好意思Off topic, 但係我無啦啦諗左樣好奇怪的想法。。。（講真的：罪過罪過，有怪莫怪）

如果Adam & Eve 偷食禁果（扑野）咁係罪，咁我諗到點解耶穌冇罪喇！因為佢係神冇扑野而生出嚟嘅！咁係咪test tube babies/invitro-fertiliza ...

I cracked up when I read this...are you serious? Where did you get that from?

Adam and Eve having sex is sin??? LOL...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-1-16 16:55

Original sin is a complicated issue which I believe harmed a lot of people.

I urge all Christians to read ALL of this and decide for yourself.
http://www.gospeltruth.net/menbornsinners/mbsindex.htm

Non believers can also read but it may be very difficult for you to understand since most of you don't have the background.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 17:39

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-16 16:55 發表
Original sin is a complicated issue which I believe harmed a lot of people.

I urge all Christians to read ALL of this and decide for yourself.
http://www.gospeltruth.net/menbornsinners/mbsindex.htm

...

Since your are a Christian and you should have the related background, just simply tell us what is the original sin?
Was it because Adam & Eve ate the forbidden apple, or because they had sex?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-16 17:50

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-16 18:39 發表

Since your are a Christian and you should have the related background, just simply tell us what is the original sin?
Was it because Adam & Eve ate the forbidden apple, or because they had sex?

that forbidden apple obviously is a genetic level drug that can change human's every little thing in genetic level. That is the only explanation why human off springs are full of problems ("bugs").

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 17:55

By the way .. who said that is an " APPLE " ...

:

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作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-1-16 17:58

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 18:55 發表
By the way .. who said that is an " APPLE " ... :

sounds like u were in Eden way back Adam and Eve were alive.....
so what is it?
we call it "apple" really not because we think that it is actually an apple. but too bad most of the art work about that scene use an apple to represent that genetic drug, so.....

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 18:01

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 17:55 發表
By the way .. who said that is an " APPLE " ... :

Good point. So let's use the term "fruit".

So, any further comment?

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-1-16 18:11

其實有乜所謂, 反正我好肯定地獄一定好過天堂.

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-1-16 18:25

澄清下先: 禪宗教義係冇天堂地獄之說架, 神棍講嘅就難講嘞.

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-16 01:40 發表

问吓啲佛教徒啦，佛教同其它宗教都有天堂、地府！

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 20:00

原帖由 starbug 於 16/1/2009 18:25 發表
澄清下先: 禪宗教義係冇天堂地獄之說架, 神棍講嘅就難講嘞.

士打畢小咀唔好因我一句說錯的话就无限上綱，小弟真係对其他宗教見识淺薄，以为西方極乐世界之類就係佛教嘅天堂，亦唔知禪宗教義係冇天堂地獄，所以我話请超仁兄开个post講佛咯，而家知道士打畢小姐又识得禪学，也祈望士打畢小姐可以开个post論禅，我真係会好祈望，總好过喺度你一句我一句沒完沒了。。。。

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作者: CWong 時間: 2009-1-16 20:10

原帖由 starbug 於 16/1/2009 18:11 發表
其實有乜所謂, 反正我好肯定地獄一定好過天堂.

何以见得？

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-1-16 22:13

原帖由 CWong 於 2009-1-16 21:10 發表

何以见得？

我同我所有嘅豬朋狗友都符合晒D教會中人講落地獄嘅條件, 咁下面一定有伴喇.
仲有, 理論上下面一定好多雞, 諗下都開心.

作者: 大檸樂 時間: 2009-1-16 22:15

天堂係天
地獄係地

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-1-16 22:54

原帖由 starbug 於 2009-1-16 23:13 發表

我同我所有嘅豬朋狗友都符合晒D教會中人講落地獄嘅條件, 咁下面一定有伴喇.
仲有, 理論上下面一定好多雞, 諗下都開心.

Half true la.. yes .. 一定有伴 .. but .. when your friends and you die .. say average .. 70-75 yr old .. so do those 雞 ..

Anyway . the biggest problem is .. you can't communicate with them "overthere" ..

Quite high cost ga .. like an HIGH RISK INDIVIDUAL JAIL CAGE !!!

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-1-16 23:07

我燒定一人一隻nokia落去囉...,唔知下面係咪用GSM嘅呢??

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-16 23:21

starbug - 我地大家落地獄一定好開心
又有煙又有酒
全部雞同AV女優係晒下面
又可以hi野點都唔死
又無神人

諗起都等唔切

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-16 23:58

Let's "assume" (or accept) what bible said is true (for this example). God blew some air into the "doll" He made and named it as Adam, and so he was the first human with the "spirit" (that air blew into it's body by God) inside. So, Adam and Eve's offspring "automatically" have this "spirit" inside their bodies too. And therefore, it's very reasonable for us to believe that all spirits should be in the same form, no matter they become Christians or not.

Then, when people died, "Christian spirits" will go to heaven and "non-Christian spirits" will go to hell. But why those "Christian spirits" have no "feeling" at all in heaven, that means they don't feel hungry or thirsty, they don't need to eat and drink, no need to pee and poo, they don't need TV or PS3, no sex fantasy, no sickness and no pain, and not even recognize their lovers and families and friends..... ; while those "non-Christians spirits" have all kinds of "feelings" in hell, they can feel the heat of fire, suffer extreme pain from burning, feeling regret for not believing in God when they're still alive.... .?!

To compare heaven and hell, hell sounds not a nice and fun place to go. How about heaven? Well, honestly it's like a mental illness hospital, all the patients there can feel nothing else but only "happiness"?! (more like zombie) I just can't imagine how "happy" it would be.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-1-17 00:02

i wish god never created all these!
no earth, no heaven, no man, no woman, ... = no bad, no good, no trouble, ...

作者: 一代烈士 時間: 2009-1-17 00:13

原帖由 habitrailspace 於 2009-1-17 01:02 發表
i wish god never created all these!
no earth, no heaven, no man, no woman, ... = no bad, no good, no trouble, ...

if god exists, i would totally agree on you. But if god does exists, this also prove hes a big failure, or another word, hes not really a GOD

作者: rockypath 時間: 2009-1-17 00:41

Let’s assume God exists and He created us and the universe. He is a spiritual being and we are just human beings. Therefore, God is a much greater being than us. Then there will be a practical problem – communication with God. In order to communicate with God, He must talk to us in human language and in the terms that can make sense to human beings.

In my opinion, Hell and Heaven might not be exactly the same as described in the Bible if we just read text according to its face meaning. They are described as the way they are is to allow human to understand.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2009-1-17 00:53

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-17 00:58 發表
honestly it's like a mental illness hospital, all the patients there can feel nothing else but only "happiness"?! (more like zombie) I just can't imagine how "happy" it would be....

"Mental illness hosptial" -- that is a funny term to describe heaven.

What the Bible tries to tell us is that human being in fact is a spiritual being. When we die, we leave the phisical body and we return to the spiritual form (please correct me if I am wrong). Therefore, we won't live in the same way as we live on earth. In heaven, it will be a glorious and happy life since we will living with God. In hell, we will suffer and disconnect from God.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-1-17 01:20

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-17 00:41 發表
Let’s assume God exists and He created us and the universe. He is a spiritual being and we are just human beings. Therefore, God is a much greater being than us. Then there will be a practical proble ...

What the Bible tries to tell us is that human being in fact is a spiritual being. When we die, we leave the phisical body and we return to the spiritual form (please correct me if I am wrong). Therefore, we won't live in the same way as we live on earth. In heaven, it will be a glorious and happy life since we will living with God. In hell, we will suffer and disconnect from God.

Yes, let's say God and heaven and hell and the "spirit" are something abstract and in much higher level and kind of mysteries that we human being can't really understand. Therefore, isn't it more sense making for we human tend to not believe something like this, something can't be described and understood in a more scientific and humanistic way? In a way, to question why people don't believe in God is pretty much like why people don't believe if they put a fish tank facing a particular direction in a particular room will make them rich.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2009-1-17 03:54

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-17 02:20 發表

Yes, let's say God and heaven and hell and the "spirit" are something abstract and in much higher level and kind of mysteries that we human being can't really understand. Therefore, isn't it more se ...

II don't have a good answer to your question. However, I can give you an example and it might help you and me to make some sense in situation like this.

I once watched a documentary and part of it is about Quantum Physic. It paints a picture that is totally beyond my comprehension and my daily life experience. For example, it said that we can exist in more than one locations at the same time. HOW?! I don’t know. My jaw dropped deeply when I watched it.

Something that is beyond our comprehension and which we do not encounter in our daily life does not means it does not exist or it is not true. I would doubt that I can understand Quantum Physic even if people try to explain it to me in plain language.

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