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作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-2-10 17:16     標題: ENGLISH / CHINESE

if Chinese is the official language in Canada.
if Chinese was first to immigrate before the white people.
if Chinese had the army to conquer all over the world and colonize places.

i am trying to be right. and yet. every time i run into a white person who is take a stand against me. i know i am going to lose. i need to speak their language. they don't have to speak mine. it was written in history all over the place that English is better than Chinese. and the truth: I do not have enough knowledge of their culture to be one of them.

if Robert De Niro had to learn Chinese to get into a movie.
Not Jacky Chan and Chow Yun Fat speaking English with accents.

I am new. I am blowing lots of water. and I don't know how to type in Chinese.

sometimes I don't know what to do. Cantonese is my mother tongue. There is nothing I can do about it. When I am surprised I don't say GEEZ. I say WAH. I have tried to brainwash myself to fit into their culture. But I don't like Betty Boop or Winnie the Pooh. I like Ding Dong. And I know Ding Dong.

I don't play hockey. I play ping pong.

So how am I going to explain all these. That white people in Richmond has become a minority group. WELL. I don't see any Chinese culture going around Richmond RCMP. They don't eat dim sum and Chinese tea. Only I drink donut and coffee. There is a Chinese version of O Canada. more like a translation. somewhere on the web.

Being an immigrant has to admit I myself and family somehow believe our country / place of origin is not as good. All my memories / knowledge associated with my birth place and people has a negative denotation. if there is anything I can do about it, it will be:

Telling our local firefighters: GAU FALL
Telling our peace officers: ALL BEI YAN DA GIP / ALL OAK KAY YAU CHAK

Consider it is their duty to handle you, they will not leave you alone.
But then one of them is going to ask: do you speak English?
And if I ever had the guts to reply: I do speak English. Do you speak Chinese?

ps. making phony phone call aka prank can be an offense without a proper setting as an entertainment platform
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 17:46

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作者: RayRay    時間: 2009-2-10 17:54

#1

I totally agree your points and I think you only telling small portion of your thinking/ feeling. Can we share more from now on.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 18:04

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作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2009-2-10 18:09

looks like toppy got a play~toy
作者: fibbi    時間: 2009-2-10 18:09

去得人地嘅地頭，梗係要入鄉隨俗，講人地啲語言架啦，其實溫哥華咪算好囉，至少係Richmond，真係唔洗點講英文，喺公眾地方講中文都唔洗唔好意思，你試下喺Quebec得唔得？
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 18:15

what's wrong with us typing Chinese on a Chinese forum?
It's not like we don't have a life that we just "hide" on this forum and doing nothing.

I'm pretty sure most LYK will speak English to other race when they need to.

What's wrong with speaking our mother tongue.  
I remember a white lady telling me that you should not be shame on  your ascent.
In fact, you should be proud of it because it shows where you come from.

As long as we respect others, and don't speak Chinese when there are other race around.  I think it's normal wor.

I don't understand why people feel so offended when people speak their own language in public.

I used to work for an Israel company.  The staff from Israel or consultant from India, they speak their language in front of me when they were in intense discussion about technical problem.   I didn't mind and I know it will be easier for them to discuss the issue with their fluent language.   Like why feel offended? Do you have something bad that people need to talk about you?

But of course, I will switch channel when there are other race around me..
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 18:24

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作者: ACC-HE    時間: 2009-2-10 18:32

Hum... I guess we need to truly understand the meaning and spirit of multiculturalism.

There's nothing wrong with speaking/typing English, or Chinese, or whatever language we like, as long as we treat each other with respect.

So are you saying, you hate English because you are born to speak Cantonese, and hate that you need to use English in Canada?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-2-10 18:37

hmmm....wasn't someone questioning why we chose to stay in Canada as he could make so much more in HK anyways?? Wasn't someone claim he is a Hongkonger living in Canada only and refuse to be recognized as a Canadian???
Funny isn't it??
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-2-10 18:39

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-11 10:32 發表
Hum... I guess we need to truly understand the meaning and spirit of multiculturalism.

There's nothing wrong with speaking/typing English, or Chinese, or whatever language we like, as long as we trea ...


spirit of multiculturalism, I strongly agree with it.
I think it is okay to speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, German in Canada. Why not?
Why do I need to go home if I don't like to speak English is a specific forum? It doesn't make any sense.
作者: fibbi    時間: 2009-2-10 18:44     標題: 回復 1# 的帖子

A couple of your points:
" When I am surprised I don't say GEEZ. I say WAH. I have tried to brainwash myself to fit into their culture. But I don't like Betty Boop or Winnie the Pooh. I like Ding Dong. And I know Ding Dong."
I don't see why you have to brainwash yourself to fit in the mainstream culture. You don't have to enjoy hockey game. You can still continue to like Ding Dong and buy Ding Dong comic here. There is nothing wrong that if you don't enjoy hockey. Like I still don't know the rules of hockey game and I don't follow the news etc. I see nothing wrong about that.

"I don't play hockey. I play ping pong."
There are a few ping pong clubs around and you can still play your ping pong any time. So there is no problem?

"So how am I going to explain all these. That white people in Richmond has become a minority group. WELL. I don't see any Chinese culture going around Richmond RCMP. They don't eat dim sum and Chinese tea. Only I drink donut and coffee. There is a Chinese version of O Canada. more like a translation. somewhere on the web."
Hm...it's interesting that why you would like to change others preference of food? Nothing wrong for me to like dimsum and at the same time nothign wrong for RCMP to like donuts. The most important thing is we respect each other's choice and we have a choice, we have tons of selection of restaurants  for dimsum

"Being an immigrant has to admit I myself and family somehow believe our country / place of origin is not as good. All my memories / knowledge associated with my birth place and people has a negative denotation. if there is anything I can do about it, it will be:"
I would like to ask why you would think that way? I came to live in Canada doesn't mean HK is really bad. It's my family's choice. I choose to stay here because I got a job, I enjoy the living environment here. Doesn't mean HK is bad wor. If I prefer orange to yellow, doesn't mean yellow is bad. It's a matter of choice, personal preference.

"Consider it is their duty to handle you, they will not leave you alone.
But then one of them is going to ask: do you speak English?
And if I ever had the guts to reply: I do speak English. Do you speak Chinese?"
Hm...I believe everything (or most) is driven by demand and supply. Now you see airport has lots of chinese sign, chinese announcement. Some government publication has Chinese translation too. If we have big enough community (like 90% ?) we may see more Chinese gov't service la right? Richmond has large number of Chinese population but it's just like more than half?
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 18:54

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作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2009-2-10 18:55

t,東亞病夫
sick man of asia
作者: RayRay    時間: 2009-2-10 19:06

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 19:04 發表
Agreed.  This is so much better than some people typing chinese, speaking chinese to each other--hiding in a hole in Canada.

Why are they in Canada if they only want to speak Chinese to each other?   ...


I use (read and write) whatever language benefit to me by the time I have to use.
Of course, I do not mine other ppl make their own best decision to use whatever language they can use.

In Singapore and Malaysia most young Chinese can (read and write) Chinese and English; understand by listening of Malay. Please tell me "where they should go ???????"

Knowing a language, is a "good living tool" of himself or herself and not a excuse kicked by "mind set"
作者: jake123    時間: 2009-2-10 19:20

What's the problem w/ speaking chinese to chinese?

I've never understood the pscyhology of these toppy discussions.
作者: mucc1928    時間: 2009-2-10 19:27

Why cannot we speak Chinese to chinese people?  Of course if there are a white dude besides then yes I will speak English, just incase he would have hard feeling.  .

This is Canada, multi-culturalism.  IF you want everyone to speak English, then dont' come and go to USA or go home.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 19:27

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作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 19:27

Wahahahaha.. there is only ONE guy on the earth who come to Chinese forum and ask ppl to speak English

Toppy toy, you think we are idiots? but the good think is that you finally don't copy and paste
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 19:28

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 19:24 發表



I think this guy says it best:

If you Dont Like It Go Home You Asked to come here we did not ask you.

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=6315


Sometimes, Toppy.  I really get lost with your point.
You started post that Canada is a place of racism.  
I assumed that you are a Chinese, then why you are discriminating us typing Chinese here.


And please don't use larger font because that does not make you better.
That's very rude.

Especially, I'm not offending you as well.
I'm just pointing out my POV in a very calm mood.

OK, white guy said so.  OK, there are discrimination within white guy.
Is it all white guys are like that? I highly doubt it. At least, fro my experience, not all Caucasian are like that. In fact, some of them are very interested in Chinese culture.  Back when I was in a small town, an elderly gentleman always ask my friend to burn him Chinese Pop music.  And try to learn how to speak Cantonese from her parents.

When I was working in a large logistic company in downtown, a Caucasian wrote something in e-mail by "mistake" to my Chinese co-worker.

Yellow Dog,

Is the cargo ready for pickup?

My Caucasian co-worker got so upset about this e-mail and her face was red.
She rushed into the CS Manager room and told him (He is an Indian) that he has to take immediate action about this e-mail. The whole office was very upset by this incident and our office was mixture of all sort of races.  European, HK, TW, Indian, Japanese, UK, French, Indonesia.  I'm not sure what sort of Caucasian you have been dealing with for the past years.  I'm fully aware there are racists out there but there are also Caucasian that respect different culture.  My General Manager who was also a Caucasian apologized to my Chinese co-worker and he should never tolerant such thing happen to his staff.

We google it, and she is lucky that there is actually a trucking company call Yellow Dog.

By saying that, I'm not denying there is no discrimination exist.
Come on, we, Chinese are somehow discriminating others by calling people "ar chai" or "gwai lo" too.

Just don't be so negative.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 19:29

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 19:31

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:27 發表



What about the homegrown Canadian Chinese who don't read/speak Chinese?


I have friends that are homegrown Canadian Chinese that who don't speak/read Chinese.
They don't have hard feeling that we speak Cantonese to each other.
And if he/she is around, I will speak English so that he/she is not left out.

If there are people on LYK who is homegrown Canadian Chinese who don't speak/read Chinese, as soon as he/she mention that.  I'm pretty sure LYKs here wouldn't mind translate or change channel.

I don't see a big deal about it.
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2009-2-10 19:37     標題: 回復 1# 的帖子

so this discussion is about what language should be used in lyk? or just about you not feeling comfortable using chinese with some ppl in front of an english speaking group?
i just don't understand why it's in the 新手教學 area.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 19:38

Sometimes, it is your manner or tone that people would respect you.

As long as you are easy going, respect others, I don't see why people have to target you just because you are a Chinese.

If discrimination is really that wide spread and ALL Caucasian are racist, why is the senior staff in my department always smile at me.  And tell others or tell me that I'm very bright and smart?  Why is she always ask me to join the life/wellness classes with her and make sure that we can go together on the same day? She could have just tell others that I'm not capable.  She could have hide my talents and promote the other Caucasian girl in my department.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 19:39

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作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2009-2-10 19:41

原帖由 Nam 於 2009-2-10 20:38 發表
Sometimes, it is your manner or tone that people would respect you.

As long as you are easy going, respect others, I don't see why people have to target you just because you are a Chinese.

If disc ...

watch out, soon the white ppl will slaughter you and eat your guts..
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 19:46

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 19:49

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:39 發表



First of all, nam, I don't discriminate people typing Chinese.  Some loyaukee on my criminal list made fun of me for not typing Chinese.  I have no problem with anyone using Chinese here.

Nam, I a ...


I'm sure most LYKs are not stupid.
They are aware there are discrimination out there.

It's just, we don't focus on the term "discrimination" every minute.

Reporting discrimination news is fine, but keep reporting it make people sick, you know.

If you are not negative, then you must be hyper or excited about the discrimination cases.
Since I only seen you posting topics regarding racism and also always post with bold font.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-2-10 19:52

As a Chinese-Canadian/Canadian-Chinese, I feel proud to be bilingual. (and actually it's a credit/benefit to live in a multi cultural country)
Of course, it's very reasonable and to show respect to people, to speak in English to Caucasian here in Vancouver. (provided that you are capable to speak English) But what's the problem for speaking Chinese among Chinese? (provided that both Chinese can speak Chinese)

I migrated to Vancouver not because of it is a English speaking country. I will speak English and Chinese according to different needs and purposes. I still watch Chinese movies and TVB episodes, that doesn't make me a non-Canadian-Chinese. Even I bleach my face to white. I'm still a Chinese but not real white Caucasian. I feel no shame to be a non-Caucasian living in a western country at all.
作者: starbug    時間: 2009-2-10 19:53

減壓就要插Toppy, 愛佢屎眼好鬆弛
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 19:55

there is nothing else to discuss. we are all good and we are all satisfied with our lives. if you are a victim of racism,  we all feel bad about it. BUT, there is NO ONE want to know what u think, and you can't brainwash us to think what u think. The more u say, the more we hate you. so, please, go play hide and fuxk yourself
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 20:00

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:46 發表




Nam, I don't know your company so I can't comment on your personal experience.

BTW, I never said ALL Caucasian are racist.  I am sorry you feel this way.  

But how come you don't feel All Caucas ...


I'm not saying ALL Positive experiences, and I believe ALL white people are good.
It just I won't focus with it.  AND if they are pushing the edge, I won't WHINE on internet.
I will take action.

It's not like I never file a formal discrimination complaint to HR before.
If people pushing the edge, I won't use violence or whine to solve it.

Chinese are not "the Chinese" that some racist bastards think we are.
While we respect our culture different, doesn't mean that we won't fight back if we need to.
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2009-2-10 20:00

原帖由 starbug 於 2009-2-10 20:53 發表
減壓就要插Toppy, 愛佢屎眼好鬆弛


減壓就要插Toppy, 愛佢屎眼好pussy
pussy = 東亞病夫 = sick man of asia
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 20:07

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-2-10 20:52 發表
As a Chinese-Canadian/Canadian-Chinese, I feel proud to be bilingual. (and actually it's a credit/benefit to live in a multi cultural country)
Of course, it's very reasonable and to show respect to pe ...


Second that.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 20:11

x3
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 20:13

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:39 發表



First of all, nam, I don't discriminate people typing Chinese.  Some loyaukee on my criminal list made fun of me for not typing Chinese.  I have no problem with anyone using Chinese here.

Nam, I a ...


And why do I have to go talk to them?
I don't really get it....

And I don't understand why there is something called "criminal list"...
Are these people are the "most wanted" from RCMP?
If yes, let me know.  I will walk to the RCMP building tomorrow morning, and turn them in.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 20:50

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:04

Why do I have to whine it in Chinese here?
It seems like you are the one who whining here wor....

I took my action and I don't think I'm brave.
I just know we have the same right as others as long as I hold my Canadian Passport.

I respect others and you can go ahead and believe what you see.
And I believe what I see.

If you want to have example, an example for you la gum.
a year ago, I went to Wendy's with my bf at night.
We stood there for couple minutes and nobody serve us.
Perhaps, we dress like we are a Chinese or honger teenager?
or the term "fob"?

As soon as someone finally help us, we asked them if we could change it to bake potato instead of fries. The asian girl was very shy and asked a more senior staff, which is  a Caucasian.  When the meal came, I asked the girl how come you gave me fries.  The b**tchy Caucasian yell at the little girl and said "then give them a potato".  I was not impress by the services that I received.  I went back to my seat and asked the janitor if they have a complaint form that I can fill up.   

After I filled up my form, I brought the whole tray back to the counter and I told the Caucasian girl that I need to see her manager.  And that B*tch still thinks it's funny, and scream back in the kitchen " xxxx, we are in trouble!".    Then, the assitant manager asked me what's wrong with the food.  I told her that it's nothing wrong with the food, and I don' t need a refund.  I told her that I wrote down my complaint on the complaint form.  And the manager read my form loud in the public and try to make me embarrassed.

I just left the restaurant without wasting my time to argue with them.
Instead, as soon as we went back home.  We wrote a long formal complaint letter to their Western District Manager.   The next day, the District Manager replied right the way and asked if my bf can leave him the phone# so that he can apologized to my bf.

End up, the district manager made his formal apology to us and sent us 3 free coupon with his signatures on it.   We went back to the same Wendy for drive through and show our coupon to the cashier when the cashier asked for payment.
It is something that she never seen before and she asked that manager again.  
As soon as the manager see that card, she wasn't even dare to look at us and quickly finish the transaction

Moral of the story? I'm not showing off how I fight back.  I'm just trying to tell you that, instead of whining or use your term "reporting" these incidents.  Why don't you step up and speak up for yourself?  "reporting" these incidents on internet will not help the situation.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:09

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 21:54 發表



Well, why don't you go home back to China or HK then?  Why are you here?

They said, "If you Dont Like It Go Home You Asked to come here we did not ask you."


You can feel proud about whatever ... ...


Why do I have to go back HK or China if I'm proud of who I am.
Bare in mind that this country based on immigrant.

Even your so called "white people" are immigrant.  Only native people have the right to say "why don't you go back to your country or why are you here?"

Toppy,

I really don't understand your point.
I'm just sharing my 2 cents here.
If you don't agree with it, that's fine.

It sounds like as soon as I tell you something against your POV.
You tell me to go back to HK or China.

What's your point?
Your point is you love Canada so much?
Or your point is you hate Canada so much?
I'm lost here...

Or your point is, if I agree with you 100%, then I'm allow to stay in Canada?

I'm in Canada because my parents made the decision for me.
I'm in Canada because I have a job and I spent 10+ years in Canada.
I'm in Canada because my family is here.
I'm in Canada because I don't whine about racism every second and I'm happy with my personal life.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:10

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 21:50 發表


Take action?  You are so brave.

What action?  Whining about it in chinese here?  Type curse words in Chinese here?


As far as I understand, you are the one who are whinning about racism here.
And as far as I understand, I respect your request, that's why I reply you in English.
I didn't type curse word (yet)...
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:14

Toppy,

Seriously, I'm not sure how many times you were being discriminated because of your skin color.  I suggest you (of course, you have your choice) do some academic research on this topic if you are so into this topic.

And stop saying that I "hide" here to type Chinese because I do have a life.
The reason I have spare time to discuss with you tonight because I'm awfully sick tonight and I'm staying in bed...
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:17

I see that a lot of people were challenging you and I try to discuss or chat with you in a calm tone.  or at least open discussion...

But you seems like .....having a very strong ego, that you are not willing to accept a different point of view.

As soon as I tell you, most Caucasian I dealt with are not racist. You start attacking me... by telling me to go back HK...

And now I finally understand how you pissed every ppl now...
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-2-10 21:37

Some people here and I are yellow, and we don't think we have problem living here in Vancouver. If you are a yellow or whatever, just because of you are not satisfied or not happy here, you can move out.
Even you move to Mainland China, Mandarin speaking Chinese could discriminate Cantonese speaking Chinese anyways. If you can't find the value of yourself, no matter anywhere in the world, you might not be happy. I won't suggest you to kill yourself all because of that, but it's your own business to think what you should do.
作者: chrichri    時間: 2009-2-10 21:48     標題: 回復 44# 的帖子

i totally agree with you.... He tells people to go back to hk or china when people challenge him. I totally feels like he wants to be president in Canada. Most of us didn't say we want to go back to hk or china,but he just kept telling people to go back. I don't see his points.

If someone really wants to go back, i think he should be the one telling himself to go back.

We are not hiding here. We have our lives. Plus we enjoy our lives in Canada..unlike somebody always whines, complains and swears. i have been working with Caucasian, Indian, Korean, Japanese and for a long time. I don't see any problems. We like each other and we learn from each other. This is called multiculturalism. We all are proud of who we are and where we come from.  No one need to be shame of themselves because they speak english or chinese.

Being able to speak more than one language is a gift that we all should be happy. Also, being able to practice reading, typing and speaking chinese  here is something that we all shouldn't  take it for granted.  On behalf of some LYK, i don't think anyone here would discriminate ppl that can't type chinese. The only problem they have is the way the message delivered to them and how it is presented.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 21:49

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:57

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 22:49 發表



Nam,

I have found so much academic research on this topic.

Check my old threads.  You know, I never said I encountered racism myself.

\

er... and your point is...
You never encounter racism yourself but you are "educating" us that racism is everywhere in Canada......you never encounter one but you seen a lot because you came to Canada for years ...

and.........

You keep telling us to go back HK or China when most of us didn't say we want to move back to HK or China....

but......

I remember you started a post saying that you want to move back to HK but you have no money....

so conclusion....

I am still lost and don't know what message you want to deliver to  us.....
And your logic....

Ho la, you win, Toppy.
remember to take pill tonight.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 21:59

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 21:59

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 22:52 發表



First of all, I didn't attack you.  You said something about All Caucasians are racist?  Then I said, how come all your positive experiences didn't make you feel ALL Caucasians are good people.  Yo ...


Then may be my sickness cause me double vision ... that I'm "under the impression" that you are attacking me...

hmm..... you didn't attack me but you tell me to go back HK or China.
hmm... you didn't attack me but you are accusing me for typing Chinese here or even swearing in Chinese... which I didn't...

hmm... you didn't attack me but you reply me in large font and bold font.. .
From my understanding, typing in large font and bold font meaning yelling at me....
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:01

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 22:52 發表



First of all, I didn't attack you.  You said something about All Caucasians are racist?  Then I said, how come all your positive experiences didn't make you feel ALL Caucasians are good people.  Yo ...


I'm not angry with you...
I'm too sick tonight to be angry with anyone...

Like I said, I'm totally lost..

si dan la, 你喜啦，託生！

god bless Canada and you
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:03

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:03

你又知佢哋唔知個社會發生啲咩?

Get to know the society...that you think they are blind and only see Chinese people in their eyes for some reason?

as far as I can recall, I don't remember they started to ask you to type Chinese.

You are the one who request other to type English here...

[ 本帖最後由 Nam 於 2009-2-10 23:07 編輯 ]
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:03

haha.. nam nam 姐都用我嘅潮語
你地講甘多佢都get吾到ga la，waste gas，屌佢啦，一屌佢就明
toppy 你真係柒到無朋友，明吾明？潮語啊呢D
吾明睇下你條J就知咩叫柒

你份人甘樣，吾怪得知你比人歧視啦，你係地球任何地方都比人歧視
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:05

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:09

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:05 發表


Thanks for your feedback.

On the other hand, you seem to "filter out" what the other loyaukee have said to me ...

I don't understand how you can "filter out" everything else but lay all the blame  ...



連CD ROM 都被你逼出嚟，堅！
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:10

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-2-10 22:13

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-11 14:05 發表


Thanks for your feedback.

On the other hand, you seem to "filter out" what the other loyaukee have said to me ...

I don't understand how you can "filter out" everything else but lay all the blame  ...


講真, 呢層你真係要檢討一下自己既言行.
空穴來風, 未必無因.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:13

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:10 發表



I ask people.  Why they are here in Canada?  Why don't they go back to HK or China?  What's wrong with asking that?

What's wrong with going back to HK or China?  Compared to what the other loyauke ...


I don't know if you ever read some article on how people should be careful on typing out e-mail in work place.

I did.  And it said that using !!! or large font and bold font will create tension and that's give people feeling aggressive or yelling.

That's why as a professional, you should always proof-read your e-mail before you click the send button.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:14

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-2-10 22:14

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-11 14:11 發表
Nam,

Do you see this?

"haha.. nam nam 姐都用我嘅潮語
屌佢啦，一屌佢就明
你真係柒到無朋友，明吾明？潮語啊呢D
吾明睇下你條J就知咩叫柒

你份人甘樣，吾怪得知你比人歧視啦，你係地球任何地方都比人歧視"

Explain wha ...


佢傻, 你又跟住佢傻, 咁即係你都係傻law.
Toppy, 人地跳樓, 唔通你又要跟住人地跳咩.

做好自己先啦, 老友.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:15

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:16

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:11 發表
Nam,

Do you see this?

"haha.. nam nam 姐都用我嘅潮語
屌佢啦，一屌佢就明
你真係柒到無朋友，明吾明？潮語啊呢D
吾明睇下你條J就知咩叫柒

你份人甘樣，吾怪得知你比人歧視啦，你係地球任何地方都比人歧視"



Explain wha ...


Ha Ha, nam nam sister use my new term.
Fxxk him, if you fxxk him, he will understand.
You are really lame that you have no fiends, do you get it? This is slang word.
If you don't understand, you can look at your dxxk, then you will understand.

It is because of your personality that lead you to discrimination.
No matter where you are, people will discriminate you
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:17

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:11 發表
Nam,

Do you see this?

"haha.. nam nam 姐都用我嘅潮語
屌佢啦，一屌佢就明
你真係柒到無朋友，明吾明？潮語啊呢D
吾明睇下你條J就知咩叫柒

你份人甘樣，吾怪得知你比人歧視啦，你係地球任何地方都比人歧視"

Explain wha ...

I don't need to explain. she would understand automatically...
you are the only one who don't understand
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:19

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作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:19

原帖由 Nam 於 2009-2-10 23:16 發表


Ha Ha, nam nam sister use my new term.
Fxxk him, if you fxxk him, he will understand.
You are really lame that you have no fiends, do you get it? This is slang word.
If you don't understand, you ca ...

thank you for ur translation.. haha
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:21

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:19 發表



Really?  Is that what happened at Wendy's?  

You and your BF asked for it?  Explain how you and your BF asked for it?

she will ask our admin to kick you out, but unfortunately, he is on vacation
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:21

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:19 發表



Really?  Is that what happened at Wendy's?  

You and your BF asked for it?  Explain how you and your BF asked for it?

...........

...............
................................
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:23

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:23

Man,

I truly believe Toppy is good enough to be an interview panel....

He talks like those government interview panel...

Please explain that the time you were being discriminated and how you resolved the problem.  Please provide the best example you have and explained your reaction in details.  Our job is write down what you told us on the note and we will review it later.  At the end of the interview, we will based on what you told us and shortlisted the candidate.  And please provide contact name that can verified the situation/scenario that you provided.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:25

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:23 發表
I am still waiting how you and your BF asked for it at Wendy's.

Don't stop now.


Ask for what????

For being discriminated????
For asking for baked potatoe?????
For getting that girl fired???

For asking the district manager response our e-mail first thing in the morning and apologized to us?
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:26

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作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:26

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:23 發表
I am still waiting how you and your BF asked for it at Wendy's.

Don't stop now.



I have already told you the full version of he incident.
Mr. Police Officer, what evident you want me to provide??????
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:27

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:26 發表
Nam,

It is called Law and Order.


Excuse my bad English, hmm, how this link to law & order?
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:27

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作者: chrichri    時間: 2009-2-10 22:30

I am not filtering anything or saying anyone is right or wrong here. Please don't quote me. I am not trying to upset or offense anyone here.
Plus i am not blaming anyone. I just want to raise my concern that no one needs to be told to return to china or hk. No one should be telling anyone to return or go back to hk.

there is definitely nothing wrong with returning or going back to hk, but just don't need to say it every time. It is not very respectful though...

just my 2 cents, stay calm and ....k..anyway, i am just normally a CD ROM....  i don't mind to be ignored.
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:32

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 23:27 發表


Re-read what ricrick said, you and your BF球任何地方都比人歧視



RicRick didn't say me and my bf  份人甘樣，吾怪得知你比人歧視.......
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:33

你仲同佢嗲？囧rz
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:38

原帖由 ricrick 於 2009-2-10 23:33 發表
你仲同佢嗲？囧rz


小妹曾經都想做護士，亦曾係mental facility 做過義工！
希望我個耐性能夠幫到啲婆婆，亦能幫佢啦！
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:40

原帖由 ricrick 於 2009-2-10 23:33 發表
你仲同佢嗲？囧rz


BTW， 我病到暈暈哋，可能有啲思覺失條
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:42

去加入托屁插隊啦，好好玩架
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-2-10 22:43

mr toppy.
would you like to do some thoughts exchange.
i know you are good.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2009-2-10 22:49

LYK 真好, 呢度真係有好多關心Toppy 既人~
希望Toppy 都會覺得呢度係有人關心佢架啦!
作者: Nam    時間: 2009-2-10 22:50

原帖由 playingtoy 於 2009-2-10 23:43 發表
mr toppy.
would you like to do some thoughts exchange.
i know you are good.


麻煩請移玉步去開個新帖！
你哋係個度可以開開心心，無人搔擾你哋嘅討論！
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 22:53

原帖由 playingtoy 於 2009-2-10 23:43 發表
mr toppy.
would you like to do some thoughts exchange.
i know you are good.

拎返走你隻道具啦，白痴仔
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-2-10 23:08     標題: 回復 86# 的帖子

麻煩請移玉步去開個新帖！
你哋係個度可以開開心心，無人搔擾你哋嘅討論！

i believe mr toppy has left. perhaps cux i am new.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2009-2-10 23:13

原帖由 playingtoy 於 2009-2-11 00:08 發表
麻煩請移玉步去開個新帖！
你哋係個度可以開開心心，無人搔擾你哋嘅討論！

i believe mr toppy has left. perhaps cux i am new.

你吾好係到托囧屁啦，底能仔
有病請看醫生，你嘅思失調越來越嚴重
作者: 小叻    時間: 2009-2-10 23:13

I am thinking that playingtoy is actually Toppy.. or he must be Toppy's frd who is asked to support Toppy..
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-2-10 23:27     標題: 回復 90# 的帖子

if anyone ever bother to check the date i sign up my LYK a/c
i think i kind of understand why you ppl are replying to my message with 白痴仔 and 底能仔 now
if i were in public and receive comments like this from strangers.
perhaps you should be more careful / precise in dealing with ppl you are not sure about.

i've been cruising this site for about a year. realise there are some ppl here hanging out whom i have something in common with. and i started this ENGLISH/CHINESE forum today. as an opening gift

ps. i can imagine mr toppy being an audience watching some stupid stranger falling into his old identity. as it seems to be the way it unfolds so far
作者: giginium    時間: 2009-2-10 23:28

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:39 發表



First of all, nam, I don't discriminate people typing Chinese.  Some loyaukee on my criminal list made fun of me for not typing Chinese.  I have no problem with anyone using Chinese here.

Nam, I a ...


toppy, so are you trying to alert LYK that racism against asians exist in canada by posting the youtube videos and threads that discuss racism?

I have to admit, I haven't been closely following all your discussions, so I'm still not too sure of the message that you're trying to put out on LYK forum.
作者: giginium    時間: 2009-2-10 23:34

原帖由 Nam 於 2009-2-10 22:17 發表
I see that a lot of people were challenging you and I try to discuss or chat with you in a calm tone.  or at least open discussion...

But you seems like .....having a very strong ego, that you are n ...


Nam, I can now see how Toppy may have communicated in a way that has aggravated many LYK forum members from your conversation with him/her.
作者: giginium    時間: 2009-2-10 23:41

原帖由 chrichri 於 2009-2-10 23:30 發表
I am not filtering anything or saying anyone is right or wrong here. Please don't quote me. I am not trying to upset or offense anyone here.
Plus i am not blaming anyone. I just want to raise my conc ...


what is CD ROM?
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2009-2-10 23:46

原帖由 giginium 於 2009-2-10 11:41 PM 發表


what is CD ROM?

someone who only read and not reply on a forum.
作者: Toppy    時間: 2009-2-11 02:32

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作者: B仔    時間: 2009-2-11 10:49

Howcome you people who feels discriminated don't see how Caucasians are welcoming minorities? Have you ever encountered Caucasians who try to speak limited Chinese to you when they see that you are Chinese? Have you ever encountered a Caucasian that said to you: "Ni Hao Ma?" or "Xie Xie" or recently "Gung Hei Fat Choi" to you? They might not know our language, but even if they only know 3 words max, they still try their best to say it whenever they get a chance. It shows that they recognize us, and appreciates our culture within our Canadian citizenship. Even if you haven't met those people, have you never met Caucasians who tell you about their wonderful trips into China, HK, & other parts of Asia? If not, then i think you are the one that haven't been dealing with enough white people.

Think of all the large events that the city has put on to recognize the Chinese minority: Moon Festival, CNY, etc. Chinese is probably the most recognized "minority culture" across Canada.

Adapting here doesn't mean you need to say "geez & eh". You can still say your "wah", I can still say my "wow". The thing that Toppy and some people have trouble adapting is the SPIRIT & LIFESTYLE. The barrier is only there if YOU put it there.

And about learning English... when I was in grade 1 newly immigrant, i spoke barely a word of English & of course required to take ESL. after only ONE YEAR, from being an ESL student, I was transfered to TUTOR other peers to read english. Why? I used to go to the library to borrow 20 kids' novels to read every week. Learning English hard? What about French for us Chinese? I took French from Grade 1 to 12 too. I went from a C- in grade 3, to an A in grade 4 and ever since it's either A or B. From the lack of practice, I can't speak as good now, but at least I can read general French. You don't need to be pro, as long as you know.

As for dealing with racist Caucasians. There are those out there. But with the promote of multiculturalisam, those too have adapted & gotten less. If you can't deal with it, it's your problem. When you face those Caucasians, have you ever told them in their face: "I don't care, I am Canadian & we all are. you should respect that". Have YOU? Well, maybe you should try next time, and see their sorry faces with nothing to say. Especially Toppy. You are the one that doesn't have the guts to "deal" with white people, speak up, & respect.
作者: Guy    時間: 2009-2-12 02:49

if my keyboard has chinese charaters (not chinese code)
I will consider typing chinese



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