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作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-13 09:28 標題: 打工 vs. 自做老板

打工.. you work every weekday, get a hopefully decent salary, but usually stable. But, many of 打工仔 might hate 受氣. 東家唔打打西家... does that work in Vancouver? Usually there's only 1 家...

自己做老板... you (potentially) earn much more, but on the flip side, the risk and stress are much higher. Time for kids and family would reduce. Everything's $$$ in the eyes.

What do you prefer?

[ 本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-13 10:44 編輯 ]

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-2-13 09:33

all i can tell you is that IT jobs are not necessary stable.

受氣.... it happens to almost all jobs. middle management is the worst position.

自己做老板... if you don't have a mortgage or you have someone backing you up ...

in the first couple of years you won't have any vacation.

prefer ... money to grow on trees ....

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 10:07

I am the unfortunate one because I am both......

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2009-2-13 10:14

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 11:07 發表
I am the unfortunate one because I am both......

What do yu mean ?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 10:30

I am working in IT and am a owner to a food court business....

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-2-13 10:34

I prefer 打工, 鬼叫自己冇乜大志咩。如果受氣嘅話，咪搵個第二份囉，搵唔到咯，都要頂硬上架啦。
不過我都叫好采，呢份工都做咗好耐.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-13 10:36

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 11:30 發表
I am working in IT and am a owner to a food court business....

Interesting! Which food court? Let us visit you.

作者: KY+NY 時間: 2009-2-13 10:42

businesswoman hahaha

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-2-13 10:45

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 11:30 發表
I am working in IT and am a owner to a food court business....

you are lucky to have a plan B.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-2-13 10:58

The nature of my job is kind of in the middle
never have to 受氣 since I don't really have a boss strictly speaking
but I am still paid on a salary

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-2-13 11:18

Employee: 受老板氣 and 受clients/customers氣.
Employer: 受clients/customers氣 and 受employees氣.

作者: katamari 時間: 2009-2-13 11:21

ACC-HE, I quoted your words :

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 11:36

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-13 11:36 發表

Interesting! Which food court? Let us visit you.

Richmond Public Market - Malaysian food..

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 11:37

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-2-13 12:18 發表
Employee: 受老板氣 and 受clients/customers氣.
Employer: 受clients/customers氣 and 受employees氣.

That's exactly what happens...

I am both lo...

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-2-13 12:23

Yeah, no free lunch man. Everyone is playing a different role to work hard in a different way in order to earn a living or better living.

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-2-13 12:31

depends on which sector of IT...let's say software development.

developing the product is one issue, but what about selling them? local? global? for the company i'm working for...unless i have very good networking, else i can't see myself starting a business that sells similar product.

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-2-13 10:33 發表
all i can tell you is that IT jobs are not necessary stable.

受氣.... it happens to almost all jobs. middle management is the worst position.

自己做老板... if you don't have a mortgage or you have ...

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-13 12:49

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 12:36 發表

Richmond Public Market - Malaysian food..

係？等我下次冇帶LUNCH嚟搵你。如果我看見有個哥哥係FOODCOURT鋪位度上LYK，我就知係你。

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 13:34

原帖由 B仔於 2009-2-13 13:49 發表

係？等我下次冇帶LUNCH嚟搵你。如果我看見有個哥哥係FOODCOURT鋪位度上LYK，我就知係你。

nope I am an IT at day so I will not be there.

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-2-13 13:39

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 14:34 發表

nope I am an IT at day so I will not be there.

so which one earns more $?

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-2-13 13:46

原帖由 fibbi 於 2009-2-13 10:34 AM 發表
I prefer 打工, 鬼叫自己冇乜大志咩。如果受氣嘅話，咪搵個第二份囉，搵唔到咯，都要頂硬上架啦。
不過我都叫好采，呢份工都做咗好耐.

i am like you as well... i haven't got the mind set nor the money to be my own boss. unless i win a 649...

作者: Derek128 時間: 2009-2-13 13:52

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-13 14:34 發表

nope I am an IT at day so I will not be there.

咁係咪5~6點去就見到你

作者: 步步高 時間: 2009-2-13 13:55

打工又怕比人炒，自己做老細又怕無生意，皮費大！

揾食真難

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-13 13:58

我PREFER打工。係嚟度，只要穩定就唔會餓死。。。做老細係多D自由，但係要擔心蝕唔蝕。嚟度唔會話搞D咩大茶飯，圈子又細。

作者: jake123 時間: 2009-2-13 14:42

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-2-13 10:33 發表
prefer ... money to grow on trees ....

Farming!???

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-2-13 14:47

原帖由 jake123 於 2009-2-13 15:42 發表

Farming!???

"Money doesn't grow on trees"

is an idiom.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-13 15:01

原帖由 Derek128 於 2009-2-13 14:52 發表

咁係咪5~6點去就見到你

I am not a celebrity.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-13 15:02

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-2-13 15:47 發表

"Money doesn't grow on trees"

is an idiom.

money grows from weed

jk~~

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-2-13 16:47

打工好, 朝九晚五準時收工, 放工後無牽無掛, 約班好姐妹行街飲coffee

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-2-13 16:53

Nowadays .. 打工仔 is better then running your own business la.. kind of risky ..

I think 自做老板 is more 受氣. wor .. but of course, make much more money in general speaking ..

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-2-13 17:00

如果你既 business 係大 o的既咪可以請人幫你受氣囉, 例如我老闆, 請個秘書返黎出氣more than 做野

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-2-13 17:37

原帖由 Purpleheart 於 2009-2-13 18:00 發表
如果你既 business 係大 o的既咪可以請人幫你受氣囉, 例如我老闆, 請個秘書返黎出氣more than 做野

are u the 秘書

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2009-2-13 21:07

正所謂才疏志小；不如俾人屌！

老夫都係中意打工，所以一直都係打工；亦即係俾老细「屌」。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-2-13 21:23

我有錢就可以搵人屌啦，哈哈哈

作者: MyOMy 時間: 2009-2-13 21:38

原帖由 ricrick 於 2009-2-13 22:23 發表
我有錢就可以搵人屌啦，哈哈哈

你唔駛啦, 老友記咪有囉。

作者: Toppy 時間: 2009-2-13 22:01

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-2-13 22:18

Not every government job is good.
Most are low paid, even though their tasks are no-brainers.

作者: jake123 時間: 2009-2-15 10:02

原帖由 ricrick 於 2009-2-13 22:23 發表
我有錢就可以搵人屌啦，哈哈哈

Lots of fags waiting for that one.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-15 12:31

Seems like most ppl in Van prefers 打工.. less stress, enjoy life.

While most ppl in HK will dream of running their own business.

agree?

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-2-15 14:39

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-15 12:31 PM 發表
Seems like most ppl in Van prefers 打工.. less stress, enjoy life.

While most ppl in HK will dream of running their own business.

agree?

well, dream of and want to is different wor.
i do dream of being my own boss if i win the 649. run a lakeside cafe or a pet spa...

作者: Toppy 時間: 2009-2-15 15:48

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作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 10:46 標題: 回復 41# 的帖子

Another false statement.

Opening business is all about timing and opportunity.

Running good business is about location, management, and good marketing.

It is true every where.

You can make money in Canada too maybe not as easy as in Asia countries but your statement : In Canada, you lose money was false.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-18 11:12

託屁意思係：佢係加拿大幫歧視佢嘅洋鬼子打工先搵到啖食。你係度開生意頂白人市場係會蝕錢，因為主流會歧視你。

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 11:35

原帖由 B仔於 2009-2-18 12:12 發表
託屁意思係：佢係加拿大幫歧視佢嘅洋鬼子打工先搵到啖食。你係度開生意頂白人市場係會蝕錢，因為主流會歧視你。

託屁... nice Chinese name for him

second, no wonder he does not have enough money to go back to Asia with thinking like this...

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-2-18 11:37 標題: 回復 42# 的帖子

So we're talking business here.
I've been running business here for 30 + years, did not make big money yet
but did not lose money either. Most expenses are eligible as write-off
rent, auto expenses, computer, phone bill etc

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作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 11:49

B仔 knows 託屁 pretty well..

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-18 14:00

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-18 12:49 發表
B仔 knows 託屁 pretty well..

難得佢讚我中文好，我幫佢翻譯好應該姐～

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-18 14:06

Any 打工 ppl here thought or thinking of 自做老板 @ Vancouver?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-18 14:29

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-18 15:06 發表
Any 打工 ppl here thought or thinking of 自做老板 @ Vancouver?

有諗過，不過唔知做乜好。
好耐之前我愛人見我熱愛女人野，叫我係PARKER ETC開鋪過日晨。。。但係我唔想捲入PARKER師奶風波，同埋，我係鍾意自己買野，唔係賣野比人。。。LOOOL

作者: Toppy 時間: 2009-2-18 14:39

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作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:11

Again, all I am saying is that your statement

"In Canada, you lose money."

is wrong. You speak as every business will lose money.

sorry, I did not make money from my business but at least I did not lose any money.

I found out all of your statements are very aggressive, and like to generalize ans assume things.

We do not make any more does not mean we loose money. Yes my business lives on day-to-day paycheque and so what? We are happy. What give you the right to call me an idiot?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:13

people choose to do things with their own reason;

I really do not understand you for bashing Canada so much and tell other people to go while still staying here using its resources.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-18 15:16

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-18 15:39 發表
If you don't go mainstream to serve White people, your business is so limited to a niche market.

真係好笑。我公司D西人好鍾意食ALL U CAN EAT，連POSH都去過。我老細話鍾意飲茶。公司係希望多D華人及少數族裔創業，多D出嚟NETWORK。真係好奇怪。。。托屁，你話嚟D西人係咪有病呢呵？

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:16

some people choose to open a food business in a Chinese mall because they want to target more Chinese clients with low cost to maintain. Do you know how much it cost to run a food business in Metrotown? That would 10 times the lease + maintenance fee.

Again you are generalized things that all people did not want to make more money just because they want to stay in Chinese Mall.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:17

so far I never personally attack you but now you did.

Why give you the asshole the right to judge others?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:18

again, you are related this issue to "white" people again.. sigh...

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-18 15:18

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-2-18 16:11 發表
Again, all I am saying is that your statement

"In Canada, you lose money."

is wrong. You speak as every business will lose money.

sorry, I did not make money from my business but at least I did n ...

唔好理佢。搵到啖食，少少落袋唔洗多，MYVERSA兄你都夠買LV耳環比老婆做情人節禮物丫～開心就得。我都係同你一樣咁諗。

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:19

I am not going to reply this post anymore because of stupid comments made by this idiot.

Just waste my energy.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 15:20

原帖由 B仔於 2009-2-18 16:18 發表

唔好理佢。搵到啖食，少少落袋唔洗多，MYVERSA兄你都夠買LV耳環比老婆做情人節禮物丫～開心就得。我都係同你一樣咁諗。

Thank you.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-18 15:30

actually... Canada... 有乜好做？

Seems like a lot of companies here (big and small) actually serve US customers...

Canadians are not spending a lot of money on things and services. Not that we are poor, (maybe we are), but we just don't seem to spend as much... agree?

What do you think?

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作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-2-18 15:37

US market is large and close by. So having US customer is more 理所當然.
IMO, Canadian is more friendly and nature-like, environmental aware, less care on trendy, materialistic, and stylish goods.
How often do we like to change cell phone, as oppose to Asia?

作者: Toppy 時間: 2009-2-18 16:23

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作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-18 16:51

just for your information, I worked for an all white software engineer firms for few years so I am not afraid to talk to white people and they treat me nicely too (no racism issue too).

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-2-18 17:37

"Return of investment = time value of money + opportunity cost
(If you don't understand the terms, google them)

That means what?  Using the same lump-sum of money, instead of running a business in Canada, I run a business in Hong Kong.  How much more money would I make compared to Canada?"

what are you try to say?

Time value of money is the present value of the money that you are going to receive or pay in the future.  it usually use when you purchase fixed income instrument or borrow money

opportunity cost is the best rate of return available for a given level of risk.  usually use in calc. required rate of return

don't know how your formula work, but defiantly your formula has nothing to do with your statement.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2009-2-18 18:28

呢個世界都唔係一定做老闆就好輕鬆﹐賺好多錢既。你望下時代荒開鋪班蛋...老闆﹗幾開心...就知啦。

同埋有好人都真係唔鬼識做生意就唔好諗啦﹐打份好工學下投資都得姐。

-- 老闆C

作者: tripixel 時間: 2009-2-19 02:19

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2009-2-18 12:37 發表
So we're talking business here.
I've been running business here for 30 + years, did not make big money yet
but did not lose money either. Most expenses are eligible as write-off
rent, auto expens ...

well this topic is 打工 vs. 自做老板, in this case, he/she gets to write of bills before he/she pays the income tax, and he/she has done it for 30+ years. so what I think in this case, being the boss is much better then a job. I respect you for staying in your business for 30+ years.

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作者: tripixel 時間: 2009-2-19 10:47

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-19 07:50 發表

You know most small business 老板 have to pay Double Taxation, right?

打工 only pay taxation once.

Yes I do understand. Well, he said he didn't lose any money. I guess as a business owner, one or the accountant would have used all the possible way to avoid paying as much tax as possible. Maybe he/she only get $1,000 paycheque per month? Maybe he/she has an excellent accountant? Maybe in his/her business deals with lots of cash?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-2-19 10:50

in vancouver I would not consider open my own business. 始終，人流不夠, hard to make $.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-19 11:23

原帖由 fibbi 於 2009-2-19 11:50 發表
in vancouver I would not consider open my own business. 始終，人流不夠, hard to make $.

but that only applies to... Retail right? How about other business?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-19 12:38

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-19 12:23 發表

but that only applies to... Retail right? How about other business?

食肆都係啦～永遠都係一雞死一雞鳴咁。。。

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-2-19 13:17

原帖由 B仔於 2009-2-19 13:38 發表

食肆都係啦～永遠都係一雞死一雞鳴咁。。。

Does 食肆 qualify as Retail? I don't know..

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-2-19 13:41

我以為RETAIL係買野開鋪賣野個D咋。。。

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-2-19 14:53

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-2-19 14:17 發表

Does 食肆 qualify as Retail? I don't know..

They are actually a bit different,

retail required you to buy inventory in and hopefully to sell them

food business required you to buy ingredient but however the cook combine the ingredients is up to the cook. In my opinion, food business is easier than retails since every one has to eat.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-2-19 14:57

Different kind of business like Retail, Food, Service, all depends on 人流....the more people, more chances of selling. In addition, high tax , minimum wage etc...it's not a very favourable place to open business IMO.
Unless you can think of a business very unique that appeal to a market niche that people would spend the $ on it. Yeah it's easy to make a living, but not easy to make $$$$.

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作者: tripixel 時間: 2009-2-19 16:02 標題: 回復 82# 的帖子

well.. if CASH will do...then there is a POSITIVE resaon why you should be your own boss then. Thanks for bringing something positive. cheers.

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作者: tripixel 時間: 2009-2-20 15:46

umm.. i don't understand your reply at all... what is your point? Sorry toppy, I really don't understnad your humor, if your reply was actually a joke. peace... ps. not attacking you at all..

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