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作者: fishbelly 時間: 2009-3-11 17:21 標題: 圖書館禮儀: 係咪我過時呢?

本人現正響圖書館, 見到周圍的人忽然有感而發.

我記得自細教落, 圖書館要安靜, 不準飲食, 但環顧四周, 首先9點方位 13-14 歲 0既哥仔用電話打緊野, 仲要唔關聲打到搭搭聲, 4 點位兩位 20 出頭妹妹大聲談心 (真係幾大聲下, 唔係跨張, 一D 壓低聲音0既意欲都無), 仲要一路飲可樂添. 妹妹隔壁有個廣東話阿叔, 肆無忌憚 0甘大聲講電話.

遠處 D 小朋友竟然可以用公眾電腦打機.

究竟我係唔係成為古老石山呢? 抑或圖書館已經變成游樂場?

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-3-11 17:24

which library is that!!?
I usually go pick up books at the cambie branch and never see this. usually only noise is at the kid's playing area. (crying.. sometimes but you can't avoid that)

作者: jake123 時間: 2009-3-11 17:25

Which library are you in?

From my experience there's always one corner without distractions. Also, if you are really focused you won't even notice the distractions.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-3-11 17:29

Let me guess, the Richmond Brighouse (Main) Branch?

作者: fishbelly 時間: 2009-3-11 17:34

哈哈哈, 當然係 Richmond 啦, 好容易估....

我以為上左樓已經比較靜, 點知....嗨.......

目弟 0黎好快要移師靜修室

問題唔單只係騷擾唔騷擾 0甘簡單, 係尊重唔尊重場合 0既問題

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-3-11 17:36

Well, that library is close to the swimming pool and ice rink and richmond center, so it is more like a students hangout place, not a standard library.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-11 17:41

Did you report to the librarian/staff on duty ar?

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 17:46

Burnaby 咪又係甘。。。D 家長唔理D細路由他們大大聲響圖書館吵鬧﹐後尾發現原來D家長講野也恨大聲﹐點解他們不知道圖書館係要靜的﹖我覺得好奇怪囉。。。無意特別說某地方黎的人﹐但的確係事實。。。成個本拿比都給他們佔據了﹐到處都是普通話﹐同埋好多唔懂禮貌﹐粗魯的人。。。我最嬲係去麗晶買野﹐她們好鐘意推人﹐就算她排響你後面﹐下一個已經輪到她了﹐還是要推人﹐有時響那兒買野真係好火滾

情願貴D去 LANGLEY MARKET 或者 SAFEWAY。。。(因為大統華同 SUPERSTORE 一樣係滿滿的“她們”)

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 17:48

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-3-11 18:41 發表
Did you report to the librarian/staff on duty ar?

無用架﹐烈治文那家﹐連管理員自己都講野大大聲﹐又點會理﹖D 人講手機﹐傾計﹐咩都有。。。最差就係烈治文那兩家﹐其次就是本拿比。。。

原來而家D人係唔知圖書館係要 “肅靜”的﹐看來要重新在牆上大大只字寫“肅靜”至得。。。

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-3-11 17:49

Maybe if the librarian enforce the rules, they'll be called racist...

"WHAT? WE CHINESE USE LIBRARY THIS WAY! WHAT'S WRONG!?"

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-11 18:17

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-3-11 17:48 發表

無用架﹐烈治文那家﹐連管理員自己都講野大大聲﹐又點會理﹖D 人講手機﹐傾計﹐咩都有。。。最差就係烈治文那兩家﹐其次就是本拿比。。。

原來而家D人係唔知圖書館係要 “肅靜”的﹐看來要重新在牆上大大只字寫“肅靜”至得。。。: ...

If the librarian/staff didn't carry out his/her supposed duty, can we file a complaint to their supervisor or related dept?

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-11 18:20

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-3-11 17:49 發表
Maybe if the librarian enforce the rules, they'll be called racist...

"WHAT? WE CHINESE USE LIBRARY THIS WAY! WHAT'S WRONG!?"

No la, it's not only forbidding "them" but every race ar mah. If "they" feel "air doesn't flow smooth in their throat", may I quote Mr. T's most favorite slogan: "This is Canada, go back to Mainland China la!"

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-3-11 18:42

I went to downtown library the other days, japanese & korean were talking really loud as well. so i think it is just like that everywhere

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-3-11 19:45

i usually go to the cambie branch of the Richmond Public Library and it's pretty quiet.
The library itself is VERY small. So I guess there is no point to "hang out" there.

作者: Happy 時間: 2009-3-11 20:07

I agreed that the Main Branch is always noisy.
I always found a lot of students sitting at the computers area, put all their bags there and occupying the computers, but they are grouping together using one computer to do their project work. They are dicussing their works, well, not in loud voice however I think they should work at home. Those students should think of the others and not just put their bags there and should free the computers for the others to use!! Hope this is going to improve soon.....

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 20:30

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-3-11 19:17 發表

If the librarian/staff didn't carry out his/her supposed duty, can we file a complaint to their supervisor or related dept?

他們是否知這是他們的 DUTY 都很難講

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 20:31

不過圖書館有 COMMENT CARDS﹐大家可以寫架。。。但他們是否真的會看那是另一個問題。。。

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-11 21:04

No librarian on duty?

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 21:05

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2009-3-11 22:04 發表
No librarian on duty?

唔係呀﹐她們只係做其他野﹐例如執書喇﹐CHECKOUT 喇。。。唔管理秩序架。。。

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-11 21:52 標題: 回復 19# 的帖子

但係佢地唔會睇唔過眼咩？
唔通Library都要"實蕉"維持秩序。。。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-11 23:09 標題: 回復 20# 的帖子

以我所見﹐真係無人理 (起碼未見過D管理員叫人細聲D)﹐反而響某D圖書館﹐例如烈治文﹐D管理員大大聲講野嘈住晒。

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-3-11 23:10

it's the same at ubc's koerner library
the so-called "silent study" area is never silent
there're always people chatting, phones are always ringing, and half the time people stay at their seats to talk on their phones..
(the very silent study area is actually very silent though =p a little too silent for me.. i feel nervous whenever i need to move anything because i'd make a sound)
(and well this was a few years ago already..=p)

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-11 23:26

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-3-11 20:30 發表

他們是否知這是他們的 DUTY 都很難講

Seriously, go to the staff and ask him/her directly, whether loud speaking/playing is allowed in the library, including himself/herself, ask him/her for his/her supervisor's contact email and phone no.

作者: fishbelly 時間: 2009-3-12 00:01

其實管理員係知道 0既, 你 0念下 Brighthouse樓上個設計就明白, 根本個管理員柜臺響正中間, 環顧左右, 而且不斷有 Staff 出出入入, 點會唔知, 不過我都同意根本一來 D staff 自己都講野大大聲, 二來怕被誤認為歧視, 所以視而不見.

其實 2 樓已經算好, 一落到一樓簡直好似花虛 + 夜市, 大人小朋友, 老人嬰兒, 電話聲講話聲吆喝聲共冶一爐.

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-3-12 00:28

原帖由 ACC-HE 於 2009-3-11 18:49 發表
Maybe if the librarian enforce the rules, they'll be called racist...

"WHAT? WE CHINESE USE LIBRARY THIS WAY! WHAT'S WRONG!?"

We should not draw this conclusion, since the Chinese in Hong Kong/China/US behave better than those in Richmond.

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-3-12 00:56

原帖由 cinderelly 於 2009-3-12 00:10 發表
(the very silent study area is actually very silent though =p a little too silent for me.. i feel nervous whenever i need to move anything because i'd make a sound)

you mean the bottom floor?
yes it's like dead

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-3-12 07:42

The thing I notice is that if you go early in the morning, when the door just opens, some people just rush to the newspaper sections and fight for the Chinese News Paper.... Some people even grab two or three papers at once.

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-12 08:04

原帖由 peter236 於 2009-3-12 01:28 發表

We should not draw this conclusion, since the Chinese in Hong Kong/China/US behave better than those in Richmond.

我猜。。。呢個 POINT 幾好。。。係一個值得研究的課題。。。

點解過來的與別的地區中國人不一樣﹖會否因為有能力過來許多都是投資 IMMIGRANT﹐係暴發戶﹖某些跟著暴發戶家人過來的老人﹐教育水平不足﹐又不會說英語﹐造成他們本身無法適應呢邊生活﹐同埋心理上失衡﹖對不起。。。我猜我扯遠了。。。

作者: mcmugmug 時間: 2009-3-12 08:39

Not allowing library users to use cell phone, to eat or drink is against their human rights, according to a court decision in Ontario. Since that court decision, most libaries allow users to do whatever they could not do in the past (e.g. drink coffees, eat burgers and talk anywhere in the library).

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-3-12 09:51

Even inside a shop, many of them post a sign say "no food or drink".
So why library can't do that????
Sometimes this "human right" thing is taking too far.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-3-12 11:47

I like Iromwood Library better, everything is new; and better mix of users too.
I seldom hearing loud speakers there.
In other Richmond library, the library would advise the public: it is alright to
use cellphone in library, just to keep the voice normal. I do not think it is right,
especially if they were talking in foreign language other than English and French,
Please be considerate and show some respect.

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-3-12 12:03

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2009-3-12 12:47 發表
I like Iromwood Library better, everything is new; and better mix of users too.
I seldom hearing loud speakers there.
In other Richmond library, the library would advise the public: it is alright to
...

You are a racist and violating other people's human rights, if you would not allow people to speak any languages they want in a public place. If its your private office, then you can force people to speak English/French. We are talking about a public library.

When British people tour a Chinese library, are they going to speak Chinese?

[ 本帖最後由 peter236 於 2009-3-12 13:08 編輯 ]

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2009-3-12 12:05

原帖由 fibbi 於 2009-3-12 09:51 發表
Even inside a shop, many of them post a sign say "no food or drink".
So why library can't do that????
Sometimes this "human right" thing is taking too far.

Public Library is for for the public...
Retail stores are private place........
I think this is the difference.........
Can I play Mah Joh in the public swimming pool? I want my human right.

作者: Nam 時間: 2009-3-12 12:18

原帖由 布小熊 於 2009-3-11 18:24 發表
which library is that!!?
I usually go pick up books at the cambie branch and never see this. usually only noise is at the kid's playing area. (crying.. sometimes but you can't avoid that)

I see these scenario quite often at Renfrew Library.
The parents won't control their kids when the kids play in the library.

People talk so loud as if they are in a meeting and the phone is not on vibrate, rigntone is super loud.

Teenagers play online game at the library in group (occupied all computers).
After reading books, people just left it on the desk and walk out.
Washroom is extremely dirty that people dunno where to pee (because it's all over the floor)

If it's not for the wireless internet or the magazines there, I won't go to Renfrew at all(which I hardly go anymore).

作者: Nam 時間: 2009-3-12 12:21

原帖由 cinderelly 於 2009-3-12 00:10 發表
it's the same at ubc's koerner library
the so-called "silent study" area is never silent
there're always people chatting, phones are always ringing, and half the time people stay at their seats to tal ...

Same as SFU. Although it's a common place for study (which allow general discussion) but I see Chinese students play youtube so loud in that areas or playing with the phone w/ different ring tones. (It's so embarrass that one of the guy from the group told the girl to stop it)

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-3-12 12:24

原帖由 er236 於 2009-3-12 13:03 發表

You are a racist and violating other people's human rights, if you would not allow people to speak any languages they want in a public place. If its your private office, then you can force people to ...

You can call me racist if you like, I'm not going to sue you.
Please read the post carefully: Talking in High Pitch on cellphone is not appropriate in the public, especially in a language the majority do not understand.
Would you dare to do it in an Opera or Supreme Court?
I know you work hard trying to convince people that everything Chinese is superior, but it is not helping.
I talk to Caucasian that Tibet is part of Chinese, and how Dala Lama is misleading the world. I tell Chinese
drivers in Chinatown to be respectful and do not double-park with the ignition on while waiting for their spouse shopping. Telling senior ladies not to break the ginger root and stuff the Extra-large eggs in the Medium size cartons to save a few cents. My advices surely would not be appreciated. Now you can call me call me racist.

[ 本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2009-3-12 13:26 編輯 ]

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-12 12:47

原帖由 peter236 於 2009-3-12 13:03 發表

You are a racist and violating other people's human rights, if you would not allow people to speak any languages they want in a public place. If its your private office, then you can force people to ...

you want to be Toppy #2? I think that is all about MANNER....

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-3-12 12:54

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2009-3-12 13:24 發表

You can call me racist if you like, I'm not going to sue you.
Please read the post carefully: Talking in High Pitch on cellphone is not appropriate in the public, especially in a language the majori ...

Hey, Ma sir, please read carefully again. I was saying that people have the right to speak whatever languages in a public place. If they talk loudly, then its another issue altogether.

People have the right to speak whatever foreign languages in public library, parks, swimming pools etc. provided that the volumn is not too much. But you were saying they should not speak in a foreign language at all.

If you think about it, why can't we speak Chinese in Stanley park, which is a public park. There are so many tourists there anyway.

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-3-12 12:55

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2009-3-12 13:47 發表

you want to be Toppy #2? I think that is all about MANNER....

What he meant was that they should not speak in a foreign language at all, even at low volumn.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-12 13:32

原帖由 somewhereintime 於 2009-3-12 12:24 發表

Please read the post carefully: Talking in High Pitch on cellphone is not appropriate in the public, especially in a language the majority do not understand.
Would you dare to do it in an Opera or Supreme Court?

I don't think a language would make a difference. No matter what language, talking in an unreasonably loud voice in any language (even English in Vancouver, Chinese in China, French in France...) in a library, opera, or Court is unacceptable. Doesn't it?

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-12 13:40 標題: 回復 39# 的帖子

I think you are the one that didn't read carefully

"it is alright to use cellphone in library, just to keep the voice normal. I do not think it is right, especially if they were talking in foreign language other than English and French"

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-3-12 14:00

Librarian? Do you think he will do anything useful? He's scared of getting "bing wok gum" by those kids later too!

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-3-12 14:03

I remembered the time that I had to set my cellphone to vibrate and when the phone rang, I had to rush outside to answer the call....

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-3-12 15:50 標題: 回復 39# 的帖子

I speak Chinese in the library, when some people from China who cannot speak English
but would need to access the Richmond Library English Learning Program on the net, I would ask for permission then guide them through registration and log-on, in normal speaking tune.
What I do not agree with is that people shout out loud to conduct lengthy cellphone conversation. To me, it is nuisance to fellow library user in any language, not racial issue. I spotted East Indian shoppers allowing their kids to open the candy bar and eat in supermarket with no intention of paying, I pity them but it is the right thing to do so? or is it a racial discrimination issue? Please also refer to other threads on Human Right.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-3-12 15:52

原帖由 myversa 於 2009-3-12 15:03 發表
I remembered the time that I had to set my cellphone to vibrate and when the phone rang, I had to rush outside to answer the call....

That's what I would do, in any case, any language

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-3-12 15:57

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2009-3-12 14:40 發表
I think you are the one that didn't read carefully

"it is alright to use cellphone in library, just to keep the voice normal. I do not think it is right, especially if they were talking in foreign la ...

I speak to my wife in Chinese at the library too, but not yelling. My point is,
keep private conversations private, unless you are popping the question: WILL YOU MARRY ME

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2009-3-12 16:09

So no cellphone in the library?

作者: cha_wan_mushi 時間: 2009-3-13 22:35

Sounds like Renfrew Library

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-3-14 11:40

everything is changed
unlike those old days with quiet enviroment for you to read books

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