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作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-3-26 01:37 標題: 溫警在你記憶中做過幾多件好事壞事

Please think and answer.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-3-26 09:15

我想話無做過野

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-26 09:42

記憶中未見過他們做好事。。。

我記憶中的溫警﹕(多麼好的名字啊﹐好溫馨溫情

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親眼見的﹕
1) 響唐人街捉道友 (但捉左實放返﹐無用窩)
2) 響 DOWNTOWN 捉住D流浪漢 (其實唔係幾明做咩捉。。。親耳聽過流浪漢都問﹕甘。。。你捉我為乜﹖)
3) COFFEE SHOP 吹水休息 (想問﹐個個肥屍大隻﹐到底有無步操﹖有的話﹐甘大個腩腩仲操得郁咩﹖)

4) 泊埋部車響處捉快車 (唔算壞事。。。呢個我覺得係中性﹐無所謂好壞)
5) 交通意外中指揮交通 (也勉強算半件好事吧﹖)

聽聞的﹕
1) 有人家中遇劫﹐問﹕個賊走左未﹖答﹕走左。3 個小時後到﹐錄口供。

看新聞的﹕
唔需要多講﹐自己看新聞。。。重複別人說的﹐有點悶。。。

印象中﹐唔覺有咩好事

例如香港那些英勇抗賊﹐智擒悍匪﹐為人犧牲。。。好似完全未聽見過﹐或者我看得新聞少吧。。。你地呢﹖聽過未﹖

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-26 09:47

我覺得佢地係當打份工咁囉。。。

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-3-26 09:51

I think I am pretty lucky with police force here.
We called VPD twice for a vandalism report. They came within a few minutes. And did a search in the neighbourhood.
Other encounters are with Bby RCMP, they were pretty fast to act after I called as well.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-3-26 09:57

Be fair to the VPD / RCMP la. Think back to the Grant McMint (sp?) abduction case. Think back to a fairly recent case when the VPD rescued a Chinese international student from abduction again. Think back to the various drug bust and grow op close-downs they have done. They even recently busted some local Indian gangsters carrying guns in their cars.

Of course, they are not perfect. For the most part, they've been fairly powerless/useless in the recent string of gun violence. The Robert Dziekanski scandal is completely unacceptable, and the recent killing of Van Hubbard is unfortunate at best, and completely unacceptable again at worst.

Comparing them to the @(#$)@*# police in HK, at least the VPD and RCMP have not succumb so low to become the political weapons to suppress the opposition's voices.

-Lik

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-3-26 09:58

其實溫警有好既亦有壞既~ 當然可能壞既多過好既啦, 有事o個陣睇你好唔好彩遇到個盡責既囉

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-26 10:34

Be fair to the VPD / RCMP la. Think back to the Grant McMint (sp?) abduction case. Think back to a fairly recent case when the VPD rescued a Chinese international student from abduction again. Think b ...
Lik 發表於 2009-3-26 10:57

力﹐你說起搶擊案。。。我有少少覺得他們專登唔捉﹐等你班友互劈夠了﹐就坐收魚利。。。會唔會是這樣呢﹖但我地呢D平民就真係好驚

唔敢出夜街﹐夜晚特別唔敢去 SURREY 同溫哥華﹐驚中流彈。。。

作者: 小叻 時間: 2009-3-26 10:44

RCMP乜唔係交通警黎既咩??

但係佢地自己都醉酒渣車車死人....

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-3-26 10:49

For the current 搶擊案 between gangs, I think VPD was not prepared or grew with the same speed as the growth of the city itself. For a much bigger city as we are now, we need a lot more task forces, way better planning and better education system to keep crime rate down.

http://www.news1130.com/news/loc ... 0090324_094555_6780

Gang war drains Vancouver Police budget
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Round-the-clock surveillance, covert operations, and increased enforcement are taking a toll on the Vancouver Police Department and today City Council will hear from a police force strained by fighting gangs.

The V.P.D. spent nearly half of its $2-million criminal-investigation fund in the first two months of the year and Chief Constable Jim Chu says the unprecedented level of gang violence and the need to respond means the fund will be significantly over-budget by the end of the year.

Chu says the plan to target the most violent gang members is working as Project Rebellion has resulted in over 120 charges.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 11:00

基本上所有街上巡邏捉賊等等都係好事份內事
唔會去記
記得既都係壞事
好似睇住煙肉兄弟就洗好似話幾十萬
女警二話不說就開鎗打死個無辜既
波蘭佬既死亦都係騎警既悲哀
呢D都唔知係好定壞

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-26 11:33

基本上所有街上巡邏捉賊等等都係好事份內事
唔會去記
記得既都係壞事
好似睇住煙肉兄弟就洗好似話幾十萬
女警二話不說就開鎗打死個無辜既
波蘭佬既死亦都係騎警既悲哀
呢D都唔知係好定壞 ...
sheep 發表於 2009-3-26 12:00

看那段片﹐根本唔使咩電擊槍波蘭佬都實死。。。5﹐6 個大隻佬責落去﹐正常人都無剩

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-3-26 11:39

i agree that we need to fair to the police as well. they have good & bad people.
the recent homeless killing case, we don't know the whole story yet, some info is from the homeless daughter, who was not on the site.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 12:30

No one will know the truth of every incident.
No one will stand up and do the right thing to tell the truth,
No one, you see even the sinking of the BC ferry Northern Queen,
Those accused still shut their mouth.
They all know they have done wrong but no guts to admit it.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-26 12:35

Even most of them give me very bad impression too, but to be more objective, 好事不出門，壞事傳千里 la.
We might not see their good work often, but bad things always being magnified. Moreover, maybe the media don't like them at all too, they tend to report bad things only. Haha...

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 12:44

media, they like exclusive, no matter it is good or bad.

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-3-26 13:56

someone had talked about the ferry case, i believe he was the senior officer on the ferry. of course no one really knows the truth of every incident. but at least we should hear both sides of the story before making judgment.

media like to report bad thing, since people like to know ma. just like the "shinning cards" case. even newspaper owner said they will able to sell more when there are bad thing happened.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-3-26 14:04

10# 布小熊
I quite agree with Cloth Bear's opinion that the police force in Metro Vancouver are suffering from an inadequacy in funding to properly expand their forces. Thinking back, I always remember what the previous police chiefs say about how super difficult it was to expand the VPD. The city's population is growing -- that much is clear. But I can't seem to remember the last time when VPD hired more than 100 person in a given year, and I don't know any figures for the new recruits in other municipalities. How can that keep up with the pace of the city's growth?

The amount of stuff to be done is beyond their means -- so where do you prioritize all these different tasks? Something's gotta give. If they cut back on traffic cops, you get street racing and go into an even bigger budget shortfall. If you cut back on grow op busts, you get all sorts of grow-op related crimes. If you cut back on counter attacks, you get D&D. If you cut back on gang-related units, you get the crime we have now.

I know the police force is not perfect, and I am totally willing to cut them some slack on small stuff. But when things like Robert Dizanski and van Hubbard comes up, that becomes unacceptable.

-Lik

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-3-26 14:07

唔夠人﹖會唔會因為他們人工過高呢﹖

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 17:07

唔夠人﹖會唔會因為他們人工過高呢﹖
Littleprince 發表於 2009-3-26 15:07

人工固然高
OT都好勁
遟啲周圍拍戏
差人叔叔又坐响度收OT錢
差佬兼埋文職
有乜辦法唔超支兼冇人行beat

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-3-26 17:17

I always see 4 cop cars parked in front of Tim Hortons, I think it is allocation problem more than lack of people......

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-3-26 18:10

not enough people -> work ot -> paid more -> no budget for new stuffs, it is just an cycle. if they have enough stuffs, no ot problem la.
paper work is part of their job wor, they are the one in the scene, they should be the one who write the report ma.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-26 18:31

I really don't think the false/innocent killings and gangster gun shootings matters are due to shortage of man power.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 20:46

I always see 4 cop cars parked in front of Tim Hortons, I think it is allocation problem more than lack of people......
siumaibb 發表於 2009-3-26 18:17

They are just taking their break at the same time at the same place as planned.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-3-26 21:05

Are police officers overpaid? I think a newbie starts off at around $45k, and it isn't too difficult to move up to the $70k+ for most cops after 5 years or so. Given the potential risks they face on a daily basis, I certainly wouldn't think they are overpaid.

I really don't think the false/innocent killings and gangster gun shootings matters are due to shortage of man power.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-3-26 18:31

Part of the problem is a lack of funding. A lack of funding results in both a shortage of manpower and perhaps more importantly, a lack of proper training and re-training of the officers. IIRC, the officer that tasered and killed Dizanski has only been with the force for 3 years, and the officier that shot and killed van Hubbard only has 5 years of experience. Given their time in the police force, I'm sure they have seen and dealt with way more rough and tough incidents that us normal people have seen in a lifetime. However, I am really not sure if 5 years' worth of experience is enough. In their previous 5 years, how often did they have to face intense situations where they had to pull out their guns? If you've only done it a handful of times, you are bound to be tense because having the gun pulled out escalates the level of intensity to a whole new level. And when you are tense, you make mistakes.

Are these mistakes forgivable? Absolutely not (even though they are understandable). Short of having actual experience, the second best method to build this experience is through training and re-training. But the local detachments do not have the resources to do that.

-Lik

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-26 21:21

If you think they are new with less experience and cannot make the right move in the nick of time. Partner with a senior, learn from their experience. In the academy, I don't think they just teach you how to fire a gun. They should teach in what circumstance you should fire your gun. You have already have a bullet-proof vest, what else you will scare of? You panic because you are heavily equipped and refrain you from running away?

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-3-27 01:20

本帖最後由 rainbow-davie 於 2009-3-27 02:29 編輯

我認為唔可以用lack of funding黎做理由.

開槍對手腳唔對頭
唔去搶錢
唔去圍dup
唔去洗證據
對市民有禮

同 funding 有關咩? 要幾多錢去教呢D common sense?

佢地係 lack of discipline.

lack of manpower? ridiculous. 四個大漢殺人仲唔夠, 要多D? 有能無搞係錯呀? 火力唔夠加埋火箭炮好味? 同毒販開戰, 將呢度變做戰場呀 7.

警察其實係應該以最少既武力去維持治安既紀律部隊.
但三樣基本要求, 我地D RCMP 係唔係做得到?

Tim Holtons 唔再講啦... 十字路口著燈過, 過完熄燈慢慢行, 唔好同我講真係有急事. Full of BS.

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-3-28 13:08

well, they even use the police authority to do anything

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-3-28 15:41

我認為唔可以用lack of funding黎做理由.
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-3-27 01:20

無錢點做 training？Training 唔夠又點識得正確地、本能地去處理突發事件？

同埋，training唔係淨係學堂學果D。新野日日出現，無錢無得 keep up，refresher training 不足，點樣維持最 sharp 嘅狀態去處理突發事件？

-力

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-3-28 16:24

The government has it's own priority set of fundings in different areas. In other words, it doesn't think provides cop training is a high priority or important issue.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-3-28 16:33

go to Richmond No2 and William, there is a abandoned sch, you can find RCMP trainning there.
Anti-terrorist trainning.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-3-29 08:08

無錢點做 training？Training 唔夠又點識得正確地、本能地去處理突發事件？

同埋，training唔係淨係學堂學果D。新野日日出現，無錢無得 keep up，refresher training 不足，點樣維持最 sharp 嘅狀態去處理突發事件 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-3-28 16:41

你係真唔明定假唔明? D 常識既野, 要花幾多錢去講去教? 使唔使俾錢教D警察去苛屎呀? 使唔使俾錢教佢地唔好亂拋垃圾呀?
就算no funding,
都要睇點解唔夠, 係真唔夠, 定係浪費掉? 我覺得須要audit.

而且我而家講既係大眾常識,
我問你, 四條大漢對住個手無寸鐵既人, 要點制服? 要唔要電死人為止?
對住無反抗既人開槍使唔使打頭?

你都識答掛, 你有無training 過呀?

而家唔係問你用.38 定AK47 去打人, 果D就要training la.

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