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作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-19 20:59 標題: 兔仔訓覺問題

你o地d 兔仔通常幾點訓覺?
我隻兔兔好似唔係好洗訓覺咁,至多都係見佢攤直休息
養o左佢三年幾都未見過佢熟睡....
可唔可以post d 訓覺相上o黎睇o下?

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-5-20 10:12

I found this, and see if this helps:
http://www.fuzzy-rabbit.com/behaviourfaq.htm

Chobit

作者: Vincehk 時間: 2009-5-20 11:42

唔好意思, 想 hijack 你個 topic 問 d 野
兔仔可唔可以訓練佢去特定既地方去洗手間 ?
有時想放佢出黎自己玩, 但又驚佢周圍小便.
唔知有冇咩好方法呢 ?

Thanks !

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-20 12:54

3# Vincehk

我d兔都唔訓架，佢地天性要保持警覺麻。不過見過d會熟睡，我諗要隻兔仔唔係驚青型，又信任個環境先得囉。

至於去廁所，基本上佢地係會去同一個地方去屙，不過偶然都會跌幾粒出黎既

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-20 12:57

for bunny pics, check out these flickr groups
http://www.flickr.com/groups/454079@N21/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/52241330428@N01/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/bunnyloversunite/pool/

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-20 18:10

i guess my bunny does fall into deep sleep sometimes
his eyes are closed and when we call him from far away he doesn't realize it until we're really close to him then he kind of gets startled a little and wakes up

bunnies need to be neutered/sprayed in order to be properly litter trained i think?

作者: Jennie 時間: 2009-5-20 19:49

My bunny likes to sleep in my lap. I hold her in my lap for almost 1 hour every night when I watch TV. When she sleeps her eyes are almost closed and sometimes she takes a sudden deep breath in her sleep. When she wants to return to her cage she would lick my arm and let me know.
In fact, she likes to sleep in the lap of any one in my family. She is 3.5 years old.
Rabbits sleep more and longer as they grow older.

No, bunnies need not to be neutered/sprayed in order to be litter trained. Just give them a litter box with shavings and some hay when they are young and they will learn to use it.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-20 22:14

not all bunnies will sleep deeply. out of my 3 bunnies (well, one passed away recently but he'll still be my bunny forever) only one ever went into deep sleep (flopped over in a relaxed position and eyes closed) and he rarely does that. but it's the cutest thing you'll ever see.

bunnies generally rest instead of sleep. they curl up into a ball or lay down with body flat.. and that's their resting position. that's why they tend to rest a lot. being a prey animal is hard, they always have to stay away...

as for litter training, spay/ neuter your bun first, find out where they like to pee (they usually pick one or two spots) then put a litterbox right there with their droppings in there. if you want you can put their hay right next to/ inside the litterbox. eventually they'll get used to it and use it loyally. but keep in mind occasionally accidents happen.

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-20 22:52

rabbits are nocturnal animals
they sleep during the day time and come out to play at night

but alfalfa used to always deep sleep. its sooooo cute
and sometimes she would even snore!

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-20 23:03

9# mibu

thanks for sharing..your rabbit is cute!

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-20 23:07

3# Vincehk

我家兔兔大約5星期大時回家,2-3個月大開始識得去厠所,6個月大時結紮
佢識得返籠食o野同大小便,所以平時都係自由兔,咁耐以來都無accident...
你可以試o下將佢o既草,食物同水放o係厠所附近,好多兔兔都係一邊食一邊出...

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-20 23:10

今日同事問: 如果隻兔病得好嚴重,你係咪用幾多錢都會救返佢?

我第一次養兔...都唔知點答,我諗都係睇vet o既意見同埋睇o下兔兔係咪真係好辛苦
如果負擔到o既話都會盡力救兔

作者: smt 時間: 2009-5-20 23:16

I'd never seen my bunny sleep... usualy just flops over or lays flat on the floor.
There was one instance when she was too sleepy, and I watched her eyes closed... But then I had a tickle in my throat and let out a very small cough, she woke up lu... T_T

My bunny has always been pretty good with her litter training. But recently she starts pooping (no pee-pee tho) all over the place, even on my bed...
(Yah, she likes to jump onto my bed, and occasionally walks across my face when I'm sleeping... no poop on my face tho

)
I don't know what's going on... Maybe I should clean her litter box more often than before.

What do u guys use in the litter box?
I use wood pellets that can be bought from Rona.
I heard that some wood shavings aren't good for bunny's organs.

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-20 23:22

yeah i use wood pellets that are meant to be for fireplaces as well~
pine and cedar shavings are really harmful because of their fumes

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-5-20 23:24

今日同事問: 如果隻兔病得好嚴重,你係咪用幾多錢都會救返佢?

我第一次養兔...都唔知點答,我諗都係睇vet o既意見同埋睇o下兔兔係咪真係好辛苦
如果負擔到o既話都會盡力救兔 ...
auyatyat 發表於 2009-5-20 11:10 PM

I think once u start keeping a pet, you will be responsible for his/her medical bill.
Guess it's same as you. See whatz the vet's recommendation. I once paid a few hundred for my pet mouse's visit to the vet. And Shiro was having some blood in his peep. The vet gave him some medication but vet said that Shiro is too small and old to take an operation at that point. So it's better to let him stay around and go when it's time. I had him for > 3 years. Ppl said it's long for a lab white mouse. He was such a smart little guy.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-21 00:21

今日同事問: 如果隻兔病得好嚴重,你係咪用幾多錢都會救返佢?

我第一次養兔...都唔知點答,我諗都係睇vet o既意見同埋睇o下兔兔係咪真係好辛苦
如果負擔到o既話都會盡力救兔 ...
auyatyat 發表於 2009-5-21 00:10

yes...
my little guy passed suddenly from heart attack a while back and there was nothing we could've done about it... every single day i still wish he has a disease or something that i can spend all my money to cure him...

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-21 00:23

13# smt

i use firemaster wood pellets too!
so many bunny owners use that, no wonder the staff at rona know what they are for without me telling them lol.

i also use carefresh bedding... cuz one of my buns have what i called a "royal butt", wood pellets are too rough for her and she refuses to use it.. so i put carefresh on top for her royal butt to feel comfy

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-5-21 00:24

^_^ used to use Carefresh for Shiro

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-22 09:53

Rabbits are a prey animal. By nature, their most active times during a day is dawn and dusk, in order to stay away from daytime or nocturnal predators. They spend most of the rest of their time resting but must always stay alert due to their prey animal instincts, so they rarely go into deep sleep. They are also herbivores, which means that they must eat constantly to keep their digestive system in constant motion, if it stops moving then it could be fatal. So they probably wake up once in a while to eat.

For litter box I put a few sheets of newspaper at the very bottom, and put 'yesterday's news' pellets on top.. then top the box with some timothy hay.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-22 10:51

19# Coleslaw

DO NOT use yesterday's news...
lots of unidentified objects are found in there like metal and stuff... can kill a rabbit......
i'll see if i can find that article and post on here for you

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-22 11:05

I use wood pellets too but I use a different brand, how much & how big is a bag of firemaster wood pellets?

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-22 15:43

本帖最後由 mibu 於 2009-5-22 16:48 編輯

we use carefresh because its supposingly better for the environment
and bunnies are very playful animals
they like to play jokes on people by putting poop on their beds
alfalfa has her own litter box that she uses, but she still used to put poop all over the bed too

alfalfa deep sleeping again
you can walk around and make noises and she would still be lying there sleeping.

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-22 16:58

14# cinderelly

我用少少pine shavings + 兔兔唔想食o既草放o係厠所
佢個厠所有塊o野隔住,所以佢個pat pat 唔會接觸到shavings 同佢自己o既屎尿...

作者: Vincehk 時間: 2009-5-23 16:30

我岩岩買左個厠所俾隻兔用 ... 用 Pine Shaving + recycle paper litter.

唔知要幾耐佢先會學識用呢 ? 佢好似仲係比較喜歡邊食邊出.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-5-23 18:28

pine shavings is not good for small animals wor...

作者: Vincehk 時間: 2009-5-23 19:39

本帖最後由 Vincehk 於 2009-5-23 21:00 編輯

我都有聽過... 所以用埋今次唔用 ...

岩岩又發玩隻兔又唔去個厠所 .... 響 D hay 附近小便 ... 真係唔知佢想點 ...

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-23 20:15

14# cinderelly

我用少少pine shavings + 兔兔唔想食o既草放o係厠所
佢個厠所有塊o野隔住,所以佢個pat pat 唔會接觸到shavings 同佢自己o既屎尿...
auyatyat 發表於 2009-5-22 05:58 PM

i don't think the issue is about TOUCHING the shavings ar
it's the fumes of the shavings itself, plus the fumes it gives out when pee (ammonia) gets in contact with the shavings ah..
try not to use it la..?
we put the wood pellets in his pee box, and then put a layer of hay on top~

作者: Vincehk 時間: 2009-5-23 20:34

27# cinderelly

食個 d Hay 同 Litter Box 個 d Hay 係咪分開 ?

食個 d Hay 最好放響邊 ? 我 Litter box 無放 Hay 唔知會唔會難 Train d ?

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-23 21:46

my bunny (and i think most bunnies) won't eat the hay if it's been peed/pooed on =p (thank goodness~)
some bunny supplies store sell hay racks~ but i dun think my bunny'd like it as much cuz he likes to pick out his fave hay first..~ if he's eating from a hay rack i think he eats less..
i just put the eating hay next to his pee box ja..~

i think you should put a little bit of hay in the litter box. cuz the wood pellets itself have an odor (not toxic). so the hay will make the litter box smell "friendlier" to the bunny~ and also when the wood pellets soak up the pee. it kinda degenerates into a powder form~ which is really messy when the bunny steps on it! so the hay makes it alot better cuz the pellets are underneath!
to train him leh.. spend a few days with him for the entire day.. or as long as you can~ push him and make him go into the litter box every now and then~ after he pees in there a few times.. he should be able to get used to it. OR if he pees anywhere else, soak up the pee with a paper towel and leave it in the litter box. when the bunny smells his pee he's more likely to go in there to pee again~

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-23 21:48

here's a pic of the cage and the bunny =D
i put his hay on the paper towel .. (i usually put more than what i had in the picture)
and his litter box is actually super full in the picture as well~

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-23 22:07

My bunny stays in an unused toilet of mine, I just put the eating hay on the tiles. Whenever I clean the litter box, I put the hay that she didn't finish in the litter box, and give her fresh hay for eating.

My bunny is already litter trained, so I put hay there not to train her. It is more for a softer layer to stand on without standing right on the pellets. And they like to hang out around hay anyway.

The dangers of pine and cedar shavings is not direct contact, but the fumes that come from the wood in its unprocessed form. Small animals that breathe in those fumes long periods of time are likely to have health problems. Wood pellets ,on the other hand, are often processed to remove the oils that create those fumes and are safe, compared to any wood shavings. Some people say aspen shavings are safe but then its best to avoid all shavings.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-23 23:10

21# siumaibb
rona sells them for $6.xx for 40 lbs
it used to be cheaper but the prices does go up

i went to bosley's and saw the exact same thing, but not the same brand.. supposedly used for horse or something.. and they sell 40lbs for like 10 bucks

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-24 20:59

30# cinderelly

thanks for sharing.
i'm using a water bottle instead of a bowl of water, i feel that it's cleaner for my rabbit

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-24 21:57

it is cleaner but he drinks a lot more water when we use a bowl..~
i gotta change it about twice a day..~ =p

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-25 10:06

I have both a bowl and water bottle available for my rabbit.

when I put both there she drinks mostly from the bowl, and it seems she drinks way more water from bowl than she did when I used to only have water bottle.

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-25 23:27

hm...we dont use water bottle at home either...
they just bite the tip and spills water all over the place...
maybe cuz bunnies are meant to drink water naturally from a pond (bowl) rather than a bottle?

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-27 22:01

我隻兔最鐘意食蕉.一聞到蕉味就自動走埋o黎...不過我只係比少少佢食(一兩兔口)...
平時多數比菜(菜心,白菜,生菜..)佢食,有時比提子,萍果(少少),橙,蕃茄,紅蘿蔔(少少)

你o地d 兔仔鐘意食乜?

作者: smt 時間: 2009-5-27 22:31

Oxbow papaya pellets, but they don't make them anymore...
My bunny was crazy abt it.

Now... bananas for treats (just 1-2 bunny bites as well)
she loves them too~ haha~
sometimes apples

For veggies...
Romaine lettice most of the time, and carrots
Sometimes broccoli, cilantro, parsley

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-27 22:48

mine eats romaine lettuce, shanghai bok choy, cilantro, and parsley sometimes
apples and bananas as treats. he prefers apples though

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-27 22:52

我買romaine lettuce 一半為自己一半為兔仔...
佢依家開始食A 菜...都幾好...

作者: Vincehk 時間: 2009-5-27 23:24

除左 VRRA, 邊度會有 Oxbow 既產品賣 ?
聽講 d 質數唔錯, 想買佢 d Pellets 俾隻兔食.

Thanks !

作者: smt 時間: 2009-5-28 00:01

本帖最後由 smt 於 2009-5-28 01:03 編輯

I buy Oxbow pellets from my vet
http://wbvc.bc.ca/

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2009-5-28 01:07

Tisol got oxbow pellets

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-28 01:52

yeah, tisol recently starts carrying oxbow items such as pellets and hay and toys... which is really good... PLS SUPPORT PET STORES THAT DO NOT SELL PETS!!!!

also some vets sell it too... west boulevard vet clinic and arbutus west animal clinic sell the pellets.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-28 01:54

Oxbow papaya pellets, but they don't make them anymore...smt 發表於 2009-5-27 23:31

they have a new kind now... vrra carries them.
still from oxbow, but from what olga told me... they discontinued the previous one becos the production cost was too high or something.. so they new change to diff manufacturer... the bottle now looks like a vitamin bottle hehe... the treat is now a greyish color and it smells a bit different (not as sweet as before).. but my bun still likes it a lot

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-28 12:20

treats for my bunnies are pretty much the same as you guys

although ajax likes to eat watermelon during the summer...
and my bunnies like to eat kale too..have you guys tried feeding kale, amongst the other veggies?

i tried once buying some air dried apple chips from this guy in granville island..he said it was air dried and no preservative and no flavoring...so i bought some and they loved it. but its hard to find now since i dont wanna buy ones with flavoring or coloring in it

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-28 13:10

For food, I switch between romaine lettuce, A 菜, and spring greens mix for the main veggies.
I supplement those with alternating cilantro, parsley, carrot, or kale. My bunny loves kale, she will pick it out and eat those first.

Used to give some broccoli but I don't anymore because they gave rabbits lots of gas.

occasionally give very very thin slices of apple /pear / strawberry just for a taste, but I don't want her to eat too much sugarly stuff. I have cut down on carrots too.

For treats my bunny goes crazy when she smells or hears me shaking box/bag of Vita-Kraft Wildberry Yogurt Drops.

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-28 18:10

my bunny goes crazy over his pellets as well!
do yours do that too??
whenever it's around meal time he'll hop around and circle around your feet until you feed him ^^"

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-28 20:37

yea yoghurt drops and bananas...my bunnies will smell them or hear them from far aways and will stand on your lap until they get some.

my bunnies like kale a lot too.. they eat the kale before the other veggies

coleslaw...what do you mean they give bunnies a lot of gas?
do they fart? i've never heard my bunnies pass gas before...

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-28 21:31

49# mibu
pet store bunny treats such as yogurt drops are bad for bunnies as they contain too much sugar... which can be lethal for a bunny.

banana has too much calcium which can cause kidney stones, leading to kidney disease... plus it has too much sugar and calories.

kale, only feed a little bit... again it's not good for the buns

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-28 21:46

本帖最後由 Coleslaw 於 2009-5-28 22:53 編輯

49# mibu

No its not about farting or not.

A common killer of rabbits is GI Statis, or Gastro Intestinal Stasis. Basically something caused the rabbit's digestive track and intestines to stop moving, therefore they get constipated and stops eating and everything stops functioning altogether.

Rabbits cannot pass gas, and a buildup of gas in the stomach is a common cause of discomfort for the rabbit. Since rabbits are very sensitive animals, a little bit of stress or discomfort can lead to GI Statis. That's why its best to stick to leafy greens as their main vegetable, and avoid broccoli or cauliflower or anything that has is mainly stem. My bun seems to get some gas from bak choi too so I have also stopped feeding bak choi, but different buns are different.

I only feed the yogurt drops once in a blue moon and cut down on fruits and and carrot and sweet stuff, because too much sweet stuff can cause diabetes in rabbits and other issues. Also rabbits have a sweet tooth so they may get picky and stop eating healthier vegetables

作者: smt 時間: 2009-5-28 22:04

they have a new kind now... vrra carries them.
still from oxbow, but from what olga told me... they discontinued the previous one becos the production cost was too high or something.. so they new ch ...
chocobun 發表於 2009-5-28 02:54

ohoh where can I get that??

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-28 22:51

52# smt

www.vrra.org

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-28 22:53

how do you know they have gas then?

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-5-28 23:07

when they stop pooping..... and their tummy feels hard and gassy when you softly press on it..... but by then it might be to late

so best is to avoid food that gives gas

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-28 23:20

it's a rabbit forum here..haha
so nice to have so many rabbit friends here

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-29 09:51

54# mibu

When you see that the rabbit's is suddenly not eating as much, or not eating at all, or not pooping, you know for sure they are sick. Then if the stomach feels hard and feels swollen/bloated, its very likely a gas buildup, although it could also be other illnesses. Watch out for these things and catch it early.

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-29 14:51

hey how many times did your buns have tummy problems?
mine had it 3 times out of the 5+ years that we had him.
1 time we brought him to anderson, the other 2 times to west blvd. (only the last time was seen by dr potter though)

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-29 18:06

我隻兔兔今年三歲,試過一次肚痾...
佢夜晚2點幾開始痾,本來諗住等朝早8點即刻去睇醫生
陪o左佢成晚,到6點幾又無事,結果無去睇
依家一切正常

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-29 21:27

diarrhea? my bunny has never had diarrhea
all 3 times when he was sick he just stopped eating. the first 2 times were more severe. this last time he recovered a lot faster =) and each time the vets didn't really know what caused the problem =\

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-29 21:54

my bunny went to the vet 2 times cuz she stopped eating. first time she had to stay overnight at the vet.

For the 2nd time she stopped eating and had to wait until the next day to see the vet, I did some research on GI statis and I gave her some baby gas drops that night and she ended up staying only a few hours at the vet and can go home that day.

Then 3rd time when I found her eating less than usual (but not stopped eating yet), I caught her early and gave her some gas drops, and she was eating normal again the next day.

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2009-5-29 22:12

same~ the last time we had more experience so we started to force feed him right when we noticed he wasn't eating by himself. we force fed him with yogurt and mashed up pellets. (and of course water) we also gave him gravol and zantec. dr potter gave us another medication (don't remember what it was for ^^") as well as critical care.

作者: mibu 時間: 2009-5-29 22:36

then why not feed gas drops every once in a year, say once a year?
or only do it when nec.?

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-5-30 12:18

what is gas drops?

作者: Coleslaw 時間: 2009-5-31 13:04

Baby gas relief drops, also known as Simethicone, you can buy it at any drug store or supermarket pharmacy section. It is meant for babies to help them get the gas out of their tummies, it is very mild and very safe for rabbits. Basically it collects the gas packets together and helps get the gas out of the rabbit's stomach. I like to get the brand " Little Tummies" because the gas drops is berry flavoured. If your rabbit has a stomach problem you should still bring them to a vet, the gas drops is only a precautionary thing you can do if you cannot go to a vet right away.

Gas doesn't build up over a long period of time. Usually if food is causing gas build up, you will know within a few hours that your rabbit is ill. So there is no point in giving it once a year because it doesn't really do anything when there is no gas.

Some good reads on what to do if you suspect GI Statis:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2341404_care-rabbit-gi-stasis.html
http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2009-6-1 19:37

my friend who works in grocery store gave more than 1kg of carrot top, very fresh and green, my rabbit won't finish it, any rabbit wants some? I'm living in Richmond.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2009-6-2 00:41

same~ the last time we had more experience so we started to force feed him right when we noticed he wasn't eating by himself. we force fed him with yogurt and mashed up pellets. (and of course water) ...
cinderelly 發表於 2009-5-29 23:12

oxbow's critical care does magic... should keep a bag of those at home as precaution... you never know when you need it.

it's not just for gas problems, it can be for bunnies who are not eating for other reasons too.

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