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作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2007-12-27 05:18 標題: Homelessness in Vancouver

Working in Downtown, I can't help but notice the growing Homelessness problem in Vancouver. They are not all drug population. Hobos from around the realm of Canada flocks to downtown Vancouver, the warmest city in our nation. Posting in a Chinese-Conservative forum, I expect most of you to bash the population being lazy. Yet, I want to see your view's on this.

I noticed my white co-workers at LD, they continue to glorify the Homeless people. They see them as Neo-Hippies, former rebels from the Hippie movement. This situation amuses me because I was raised in the Westside of Vancouver, I have never dealt with people living in the Bohemian livestyle. As many of you know, Hitler is one of those Bohemians living in proverty because his reign.

Anyways, It's sad when I go on a cruise at night, I go from SW Marine Drive such posh neighborhood down to the slums of Hastings. How can Heaven and Hell be so closed together?

作者: peterbear 時間: 2007-12-27 08:47

People need to see the poor to feel rich. The more people need to feel rich, the more poor people are created.

作者: Traum 時間: 2007-12-27 09:12

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作者: Ultraman 時間: 2007-12-27 12:26

原帖由 Traum 於 2007-12-27 09:12 發表
每一個路宿者都可以有好多唔同既故事同背景，就算 LYK 再 conservative，又點可以一該而論呢？會咁講既人根本就對路宿者問題唔認識。

當然，小弟覺得每個人係社會都應該盡自己既一分力，而好多時候我亦覺得有唔少既呢D路宿者 ...

Yes, even some of their background might be touching but some of them also 唔抵掙! I feel no mercy for those who don't try to help themselves wor!

作者: echo 時間: 2007-12-27 19:58

我以前住 DOWNTOWN EASTSIDE, 日日都見到 D 露宿者, 佢地大部份都係有癖癮人仕, 未必一定係毒癮, 可能係酒癮. 問題係佢地想打工都冇人請, 試問有邊間公司會請一個冇住址既人? 我試過扮露暫者去DOWNTOWN 救世軍排隊食免費晚餐, 原來你先要成立宿友, 然後先至有資格食野, 至於成為宿友就要排隊等到10 點以後有空既宿位先至"有機會"成為宿友, 不過如果你有癖癮, 對唔住, 佢地唔收你.

不過依家建築旺, 都少左一批人啦, 可能多左D 外來者啦, 有D 係美國上黎都有. 佢地大部份以拾垃圾為生, 順手牽羊為副業. 有時去乞錢, 因為乞錢收入好過最低工資, 而且免稅.

見你講開西區, 以前派 SUN 由 SW MARINE 到 king edward , angus dr 到 puget dr 都派過, 3 AM - 6 AM 見過 D 人可以由 DOWNTOWN EASTSIDE 騎單車去到西區搵食...

佢地一D 都唔懶, 如果懶, 就唔會落雪時陪我派報紙啦, 我坐車, 佢地坐單車..

以前我地派報紙果度都請左幾個有癖癮既人, 公司唔問有冇住址, 但會問有冇架 "可靠" 既車.

so, 有地方住係好緊要, 我贊成 VANCOUVER BUILD 多D 平屋. 但解決唔到其他湧入VANCOUVER 既人.

作者: notgoddy 時間: 2007-12-27 20:20

Why not send them off into the countrysides and teach them to farm and sustain themselves like the pioneers?

作者: echo 時間: 2007-12-28 08:34

好似以前咁有地送, 我都去開荒呀. 最好係 garden city rd 果塊農地啦.

講真, 來來去去都係錢既問題, 美國佬拉晒 d 人去坐監, 咁又點? 一樣係納稅人出錢.

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 20:35

小弟係咪怪錯好人（？）託生真係一文不值（？）我開始質疑。自己既判斷。諗唔通。我見過佢鬧人。不過佢用英文。可能因為 not my mother tongue。hurt 唔到我。所以。小弟唔明。點解你地要吊佢吊得咁厲害。同埋。佢無鬧過我。我嘗試翻查 LYK。佢既 post 被 admin delete 晒。

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-7-15 20:45

小弟係咪怪錯好人（？）託生真係一文不值（？）我開始質疑。自己既判斷。諗唔通。我見過佢鬧人。不過佢用英文。可能因為 not my mother tongue。hurt 唔到我。所以。小弟唔明。點解你地要吊佢吊得咁厲害。同埋。佢無 ...
playingtoy 發表於 2009-7-15 21:35

你點解響呢個帖子度問﹖有咩特別原因﹖難道你覺得柯華田兄就是他﹖
奇怪喔。。。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-7-15 21:04

你點解響呢個帖子度問﹖有咩特別原因﹖難道你覺得柯華田兄就是他﹖
奇怪喔。。。
Littleprince 發表於 2009-7-16 12:45

鞭屍都算啦, 仲要係鞭錯屍...

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 21:12

no no。大家有啲誤會。我諗 ricrick 同埋 starbug 知我做緊乜。

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-7-15 21:13

who are you talking about?

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 21:16

弊家伙。愈講愈複雜。

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 21:19

ok。呢個係我：http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... &extra=page%3D1

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-7-15 21:20

弊家伙。愈講愈複雜。
playingtoy 發表於 2009-7-16 13:16

乜"弊家伙", 下一句唔係"地鐵有色魔"咩? 哈哈~

playingtoy, 你係時候將呢一件複雜既事情簡單化佢, 我地好多人都唔明呀!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-7-15 21:22

ok。呢個係我：http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... &extra=page%3D1
playingtoy 發表於 2009-7-16 13:19

都仲未明... 同Toppy生有乜關係?
唔通你想講佢係homeless?

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 21:25

跟住。我同兩位長老傾過偈：http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... page%3D1&page=1

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-7-15 21:39

跟住。我同兩位長老傾過偈：http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/vi ... page%3D1&page=1
playingtoy 發表於 2009-7-16 13:25

哦... 咁你都唔駛拎番篇陳年作品出黎reply 架woh~ (柯華田都冇蒲頭好耐啦)
至於"兩位長老", 呢兩個並唔係乜野長老, 佢地只不過係一d 鍾意連群結黨, 欺負弱小既死飛仔之麻~

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-15 22:50

我無話過 toppy 同 ovaltine 有任何關係。我亦無話過 toppy 同 homelessness 有任何關係。ok。等我嘗試發問幾條問題：

（1）有無發覺。每年年尾。tv 會 show homeless people 既新聞。係 every year。
（2）有無諗過：homeless 既背後係乜。mental illness。drug。outlaw in general。
（3）如果比你做政府。點解你唔立法將所有 outlaw 消滅。好似噴殺蟲水咁。
（4）who gets the benefit by advertising homelessness on tv。
（5）當年既 woodwards building 事件。我有個 friend。有人比錢佢。嚮果度訓。around 50 to 100 dollar。dont remember the exact amt。啲錢嚮邊度黎。

世界真係好複雜。香港法例叫做非法佔用公地。但係加拿大既 homeless 有啲唔同。小弟都係一知半解。好多 social political reasons。

（6）如果無人有問題。welfare office 係咪要關門。social worker 係咪會失業。
（7）who created／is creating the so-called problem。
（8）有無諗過：homelessness 係政治手段。

祖先保佑。playingtoy。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-7-16 09:39

小弟係咪怪錯好人（？）託生真係一文不值（？）我開始質疑。自己既判斷。諗唔通。我見過佢鬧人。不過佢用英文。可能因為 not my mother tongue。hurt 唔到我。所以。小弟唔明。點解你地要吊佢吊得咁厲害。同埋。佢無 ...
playingtoy 發表於 2009-7-15 21:35

條友無問題，邊有甘多人插佢

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-7-16 09:50

saw something weird today @ Boundary & Kingsway.

A guy dressed nicely (in dress shirt and dress pants), with sunglasses, hold up a sign, "once you helped me, thanks" and gave out loose change!

So weird.. I wonder if he's real, or just doing some research for a course in college.

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-7-16 13:33

條友無問題，邊有甘多人插佢
ricrick 發表於 2009-7-16 10:39

條挈弟其實係詐唔回中文, 玩角色分裂啫.
不過佢本人就一定係失敗中嘅失敗, 怨天怨地又話社會排擠佢嗰隻 (實際個社會又專係排擠呢D廢人), 同D維園阿伯冇乜分別.

作者: starbug 時間: 2009-7-16 13:54

哦... 咁你都唔駛拎番篇陳年作品出黎reply 架woh~ (柯華田都冇蒲頭好耐啦)
至於"兩位長老", 呢兩個並唔係乜野長老, 佢地只不過係一d 鍾意連群結黨, 欺負弱小既死飛仔之麻~ ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-7-15 22:39

係呀. 我叫麥基, 平時專係撩下工廠妹同專洽呂奇咁喇.
阿 ricrick 你又有乜嗜好呀?

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-16 19:55

等我答番琴日啲問題先：

（1）有無發覺。每年年尾。tv 會 show homeless people 既新聞。係 every year。

ANS：加拿大既文化產業。

（2）有無諗過：homeless 既背後係乜。mental illness。drug。outlaw in general。

ANS：仲有 alcoholic。prostitution。合法果啲叫做人權組織。squatters right。（anti）poverty group。etc。

（3）如果比你做政府。點解你唔立法將所有 outlaw 消滅。好似噴殺蟲水咁。

ANS：因為佢地係人。唔係蟲。

（4）who gets the benefit by advertising homelessness on tv。

ANS：整個 system。我叫佢做：人為社會現象。我唔排除呢個世界有好多人鍾意比錢啲乞兒黎抒緩佢內心既煩惱。

（5）當年既 woodwards building 事件。我有個 friend。有人比錢佢。嚮果度訓。around 50 to 100 dollar。dont remember the exact amt。啲錢嚮邊度黎。

ANS：

（6）如果無人有問題。welfare office 係咪要關門。social worker 係咪會失業。

ANS：打開門口做生意。又有大贈送。一定有客。

（7）who created／is creating the so-called problem。

ANS：披英胎。並非任何人立場。唔想負法律責任。

（8）有無諗過：homelessness 係政治手段。

ANS：當無家可歸成為 part of the system。佢既本質同金錢掛勾。係 open 左好多 job 比政府。救世軍。教會。無我地班乞兒。佢地真係要拍烏蠅喇。如果有人捉緊「鬥獸棋」：象獅虎豹狗狼貓鼠。我地間中係會比人當係老鼠黎食人地隻大象。

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-7-16 21:03

呢個問題, 我諗左好耐,

唔可以怪晒佢地, 或怪政府. 社會現象人人都要付一D責任.
1) 大氣候係經濟, 經濟好自然多D就業機會, 但錢唔一定落到佢地度.
2) 就業同創業門檻高, 如果可以降低D, 同埋可以考慮多發小販牌可能會有幫助.
3) 鼓勵某些行業聘請佢地.
etc. etc. etc. many things have to do in order to solve this problem. no single solution can solve it. and kick them out doesn't solve the problem, and they are human, canadian citizen, just that they are poor. And, someone out, someone will get in.

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2009-7-16 22:01

我十年前到。入過間酒店。幾層高。裡面無傢俬。好多人就咁訓嚮地下。食緊白粉。我諗英文叫做 crackhouse。行番出黎覺得：呢個世界好美麗。

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-9-21 18:07

本帖最後由 Ovaltine 於 2011-9-21 18:18 編輯

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In Canada, Homelessness is a very acceptable culture, we are a socialist country after all. Homeless people are beneficial to environmentalism, they forage for left-over foods, recycle our pop cans, wash our windshields. In closed society such as America, China or even Hong Kong, Its not okay to be homeless, you gotta have a job, gotta have a family, gotta be rich. Sticking to conformity without the lack of diversity, the people in power are living in fear of the ill-normalcy. Normal=Docile, easy to manipulate. I hate Big government, stop telling us how to live.

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