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作者: tofu    時間: 2009-6-21 16:36     標題: believe in god

Just a question.

If someone said he believes in god, and did the "certified" process.

1. but he doesn't  go to church, doesn't read bible, or simply do nothing, will he still go to heaven.  no one really knows he is believe in god.

2.  but he still 上香, 求簽 or seeing a fortune teller, will he still go to heaven.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-21 17:01

Sorry, don't really understand your question. Could you rephase it?
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2009-6-21 17:03

1# tofu

We do not justify a believer based on how frequent he/she goes to church or how much they donate to church; rather, we would observe what they behave on daily basis.
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2009-6-21 17:03

可能你既 Definition is different from him.

每人有佢自己所認知認同既神. 又或無, 又或溝通方式唔同.  認知一樣既人咪走埋一齊.

你可以唔認同你既朋友, 但沒必要懷疑. 否則 真係朋友都無得做.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-21 17:20

1# tofu

We do not justify a believer based on how frequent he/she goes to church or how much they donate to church; rather, we would observe what they behave on daily basis.
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-6-21 18:03


haha... that is what we exactly did -- find out the kind of person you are by observing your behaviours on daily basis...
作者: chickenwingprin    時間: 2009-6-21 18:11

1# tofu

Tofu, I don't know how serious you are in knowing the answer but I'm going to reply seriously.

When a person believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and repents before God, and accepts Jesus Christ as his/her personal Saviour, according to the Bible, that persons sins will be forgiven by God. He/she will be called children of God. That is, the once broken relationship between man and God (broken due to our sins) is once again repaired through Jesus' death. It's not really about going to Heaven.

But it doesn't end here. God also call his believers to live lives worthy of His salvation. God calls the believers to be santified, which literally means to be set apart for God. If believing in God does nothing to your life, why bother believing? E.g., a believer might choose not to worship other gods since it'll upset God; a believer will choose to go to church to worship God, to read the Bible in order to get to know God better etc. There's a long path after the initial "acceptance" for one to be santified for God.

I hope that answers your question, if not, feel free to PM me if you wanted to chat.
作者: meowmeowmeow    時間: 2009-6-21 21:41

If believing in God does nothing to your life, why bother believing? E.g., a believer might choose not to worship other gods since it'll upset God; a believer will choose to go to church to worship God, to read the Bible in order to get to know God better etc. There's a long path after the initial "acceptance" for one to be santified for God.
chickenwingprin 發表於 2009-6-21 19:11

*nodd*
作者: puZZle    時間: 2009-6-21 21:54

1# tofu

Tofu, I don't know how serious you are in knowing the answer but I'm going to reply seriously.

When a person believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and repents before God, and accep ...
chickenwingprin 發表於 2009-6-21 19:11


true,
church goer =/= necessarily a "Christian"

those who ARE experience positive changes after they believe
作者: tofu    時間: 2009-6-21 23:33

thanks chickenwingprin for the info.

i chatted with my friend who is a christian/catholic?, he told me as long as you are "believer/children", you will go to heaven.  no matter what do you do in your life(of course nothing to hurt others), because god knows there is a lot of temptation in this world and he will forgive you.  he is a typical mk guy who smoke, drink, gamble, watch av.  but at least he doesn't believe in buddhism.
then he made me think of my girlfriend, who is a christian and go to church once a while, but she always go to 上香, 求簽 or seeing a fortune teller as well.  she said she feels bad when she is doing that, but at least she can 心安, since she believes there are ghosts as well.
so if i believe in jesus now, but still go to "bi"神, then i will be safe, i don't need to go to the hell la.  you know something just doesn't sound right
作者: goldie    時間: 2009-6-21 23:37

Who are to to say who will go to heaven and who will go to hell?
I am just sick and tired of "Christians" who think they are agent of Jesus.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-21 23:47

It's always been said: once a person "believes" in God, he/she "should" do certain things as followers supposed to do such as going to church, reading bible...etc; and also there are something he/she "shouldn't" do.... . What if he/she goes to church in a regular basis but gets angry with a church brother/sister for more than a year, or hasn't go to church for quite a while but keep donating money to church and other charity organizations?
One can or cannot go to heaven, is it judging by his/her dos or not dos, or by his/her heart? Only God knows.
作者: goldie    時間: 2009-6-21 23:50

I agree - its strictly between that person and God -  not anybody else's business.
作者: puZZle    時間: 2009-6-22 00:09

One can or cannot go to heaven, is it judging by his/her dos or not dos, or by his/her heart? Only God knows.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-22 00:47

I believe chickenwingprin answered this question pretty well already =)
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-22 01:03

thanks chickenwingprin for the info.

so if i believe in jesus now, but still go to "bi"神, then i will be safe, i don't need to go to the hell la.  you know something just doesn't sound right
tofu 發表於 2009-6-21 23:33

If you "bi"神 because of you believe in that "神", or you do that because of your mom forces you to do so (example), I think God would have different judgment.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2009-6-22 01:05

I believe chickenwingprin answered this question pretty well already =)
puZZle 發表於 2009-6-22 00:09

He/she used a more religious tone, I used a more non-believer tone.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-22 02:27

I agree - its strictly between that person and God -  not anybody else's business.
goldie 發表於 2009-6-22 00:50


Agree. It is really a business between God and that person.

Do more instead of talk more. Sometimes, I am sick and tired of those "Christians" who can really talk but cannot live up to what they teach others.

Someone says he goes to church does not make him more creditable or trust-worthy.

I think Christians should 反省 why non-belivers are so annoied by their teachings. Again, do more instead of talk more.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-22 04:04

girlfriend, who is a christian and go to church once a while, but she always go to 上香, 求簽 or seeing a fortune teller as well.  she said she feels bad when she is doing that, but at least she can 心安, since she believes there are ghosts as well.

huh? o_O
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2009-6-22 08:16

I know people believes in everything, that's their own religion and that's what they believe in, so there is no point to argue with them.
作者: B仔    時間: 2009-6-22 08:22

Do more instead of talk more. Sometimes, I am sick and tired of those "Christians" who can really talk but cannot live up to what they teach others.  

I think Christians should 反省 why non-belivers are so annoied by their teachings.
rockypath 發表於 2009-6-22 03:27



唔知點解，我覺得唔好嘅多過好嘅CHRISTIANS囉。好彩我識得個D都係好嘅～～

哈哈，有個CASE係，有個好CHRISTIAN鄙視唔好嘅CHRISTIAN。我FULLY SUPPORT～!  哈哈。。。因為個個唔好嘅CHRISTIAN真係好仆街。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-22 11:54

I know people believes in everything, that's their own religion and that's what they believe in, so there is no point to argue with them.
siumaibb 發表於 2009-6-22 09:16



我讚同你﹐可惜....
作者: chickenwingprin    時間: 2009-6-22 16:20

I try not to reply with a "religious" tone; however, I took it very seriously when answering tofu's question because i don't want to say things that are based on my own thinking or preference.

To answer tofu's question, I think it depends on what you think is the most important in life. Is going to hell or heaven the most important? Maybe, but I don't think so. I believe in God and choose to do certain things and do not do certain things because I believe there is a God. And this God loves us so much that He sends His one and only son to be crucified for us, for you and I. If someone loves you so much that he will die for you, will you be numb? Wouldn't you want to do something to respond?

Of course, one might argue that what is there's no God. What if the bible is full of lies...well, I think it is up to each one of us to seek out the truth.

If you think you just want to live a happy life and not think about God or sin or hell or heaven, then it is your personal choice.

Tofu: do you think your mk guy friend is living a good life?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-22 16:58

Of course, one might argue that what is there's no God. What if the bible is full of lies...well, I think it is up to each one of us to seek out the truth.

If you think you just want to live a happy life and not think about God or sin or hell or heaven, then it is your personal choice.


if everyone of you guys think in the same way as u do, there would not be so many people dislike the things that some christians do/said and the teachings.
作者: goldie    時間: 2009-6-22 18:24

21# chickenwingprin


When you ask Tofu: do you think your mk guy friend is living a good life?
Are you implying judgment that the mk guy is not living a good life?
May be Jesus really like the mk guy because at least the mk guy is not pretentious?
作者: playingtoy    時間: 2009-6-22 19:14

我信耶穌。你拜神。你走。
呢度大雄寶典。你信耶穌。你走。
我係警察。你係賊。你咪走。
呢度係賊竇。你係警察。
大家都拜關二哥。上注香先走。
我地 RCMP 唔拜關二哥。
我地黑幫定期捐錢比教堂。
咁。你走定我走。
你走我咪走囉。
都話：我信耶穌。你拜神咯。
咁啦。全部返差館落口供。
但係。我上頭係神既兒子。
咪係。我上頭係媽呢媽呢空。
事諗但。再唔走就告你地非法集會。
亞蛇。聽講。老友記係我地個場喎。
哦。咁。你地繼續。
作者: goldie    時間: 2009-6-22 19:18

24# playingtoy

睇到暈晒
完全投降
作者: tofu    時間: 2009-6-23 00:17

i am neither christian, non catholic.   i haven't had any direct contact with church/bible for 10+ years.  at my knowledge, the christian/catholic should at least follow the 10 rules.  but seems like it is not important anymore.  i just try to find out are my friends the typical christian/catholic nowadays.
i don't know is my mk friend living in a good life or not, since i don't know what is the defination of "good".  but he is living in a happy life.
作者: meowmeowmeow    時間: 2009-6-23 00:27

我信耶穌。你拜神。你走。
呢度大雄寶典。你信耶穌。你走。
我係警察。你係賊。你咪走。
呢度係賊竇。你係警察。
大家都拜關二哥。上注香先走。
我地 RCMP 唔拜關二哥。
我地黑幫定期捐錢比教堂。
咁。你走定我走。
...
playingtoy 發表於 2009-6-22 20:14


作者: rockypath    時間: 2009-6-23 16:27

21# chickenwingprin

For non-believers in general, it is difficult to comprehend what their Christians friends tell them about Christianity, especially hearing the first few times. However, the most direct and effective way for them to have a feel about the religion is by observing how their friends behave in everyday life.

What is their attitude of living the everyday life; how will they face difficulties; how will they treat others? Do they really love others like loving themselves?

Unfortunately, we have seen too many of those people call themselves as Christian (or at least telling others he goes to church) and behave like demon.

How convincing would that be?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2009-6-23 17:36

Unfortunately, we have seen too many of those people call themselves as Christian (or at least telling others he goes to church) and behave like demon.

o甘又無demons甘嚴重
佢地只不過係同普通人無mud分別者
憎恨﹐妒忌﹐搞小圈子.....但亦有普通人善良既一面。有的重好熱心公益添(e.g.
福音戒毒﹐老人院﹐.....)
令人反感既係佢地會覺得自己係高人一等(因為佢地比我地更接近佢地所信既神)﹔

有一樣野係我近來係我身邊既基督徒朋友發現一個佢地已經改善左既﹐就係我再無
聽過一的令人火大既言論﹐好似 "黑社會同警察都拜關帝﹐關帝好明顯係好壞不分
既偶像啦"﹐etc (well, 除非你去人地教會gathering啦)。呢個係好事。
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2009-6-23 19:39

我都想分享下自身經歷.
我唔係教友, 唔想亦唔會係, (基督教一定會踢我走).
但自細讀教會學校大, 身邊亦有好友及一同長大既老表係好信教既.  係佢地仲未出黎做野前, 佢地真係好投入, 真係我講少少關於基督唔岩聽既野就勁插我.  仲成日想踢我入會.  之後, 又因為本地基督團體既言論, 令我好憎恨基督教. 真係想見一個打一個.  
anyway, 到而家, 我個好友及老表無咁 "迷", 有節制咁去信. 我亦見到佢地唔再有你唔信係基督敵人既諗法.

其實, 信咩好個人, 上唔上天堂, 落唔落地獄, 定係輪迴, 甚至聽其自然係好個人既事, 你話好野, 可能未必適合我,  但就唔好人地唔入黎, 就排斥人. 非我信仰既就敵視, 生活同你地信既唔一樣就話人地係異端.  自己都未做好, 點話人地?

anyway, 到而家, 我都係無信仰, 生活好好, 有D親Buddish, 平常心視我身邊基督友人, 憎恨同抗拒其他基督人, 尤其是保守基督.



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