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作者: 常在心    時間: 2008-1-4 16:10     標題: 中國大陸來的人

我對大部份中國大陸的朋友們, 越來越失望...

啱啱响Aberdeen food court食完lunch番公司.  喂点解大陸人咁鍾意打尖既呢? 好聲好氣同佢講,佢又仲惡過你。買雞亦啫,係要等架啦, 打一個尖快得幾多喎! 好討厭!

買完企埋一邊等叫number時, 企我前面個女人掉左張巴士票落地,佢睇唔倒, 我幫佢執番地上的巴士票比番佢, 佢...真係唔該都無聲! 之後我諗, 佢會唔會係扮跌野,其實只係想就咁掉左用完既巴士票落地, 我好心做壞事。

大陸人, 話對你地無偏見真係假既。
作者: yungfourfour    時間: 2008-1-4 16:25

If you are in HK there will be 100x more freewalkers

I heard from radio one time that a freewalker let his son poo at a sink in disneyland toilet lor

So uncivilized
作者: CHA    時間: 2008-1-4 16:38

A few months ago I was saw a father holding his one year old child over a garbage bin in front of the chinese market in Park Drive and just poo poo there. I was so shooked but he behaved like thats so normal. May be these things are very normal for them.
作者: dkam22    時間: 2008-1-4 17:05

i know we are all chinese~~.. and trying not to be mean here

but i feel the same way too...
i just dun like the fact that they are so freaking loud all the time...
when they talk ...wow...
like when i go to the mall, i can hear all the "er er er er" mandarin everywhere.. (loud ones)
作者: sonson411    時間: 2008-1-4 17:07

Around 9 of out 10 mainlanders that i know personally, their brain structures are different from normal people... Their logics are just very WTF...

It's just really hard to deal with mainlanders...
作者: Purpleheart    時間: 2008-1-4 17:35

所以因為咁好多香港黎既人都會同 " 大陸 " 呢個字劃清界線, 例如有鬼佬問 " are you from china? " o的香港人好鐘意答  : " no, i come from Hong Kong"...( 有個鬼佬 client 同我講既 )
作者: chobit    時間: 2008-1-4 17:52

I can see that being a problem.., but to some local caucasians, they may see us the same way we see some of the people from mainland china..!

BTW, I know a few people from my church 1 4X married woman, and 1 young couple.  They are far far far better than many HK people I've met.

The younger generation Chinese who received education here in Canada may have better manners, or more polite in some ways, but what about some of our parents...!?

I moved here in 1990, and I got to see all kind of crazy HK C9 all these years..!

What I am trying to get to is that we all come from diff. culture and background.  And it does take a long time to adapte to the new culture even if we are willing to..., it is not an excuse, just something we have to understand.  In many cases, many of us think our culture are better than the others as well...!

I have worked in IT for 2 non-profit social work organization in Seattle, and both places have the focus on anti-rascism..!  I had the opportunities to attend trainning on "Competency Training in 'Culture and Conflict'"  Trust me there are a lot to learn, and there are a lot that we are not aware..!  We shouldn't start looking down on people, instead we should continue to educatate ourself or our friends on anti-rascism, etc..

EL

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作者: leo_tsoi    時間: 2008-1-4 17:59

呢d咪係所謂嘅暴發戶囉..
我班frd, 10個有7個都係大陸人. 我gf都係from Guangzhou. 又唔見佢地係咁? 有時仲衛生/有禮貌過我添...
有受過教育嘅話又點會連呢d小小衛生/禮貌常識都唔知呢...

[ 本帖最後由 leo_tsoi 於 2008-1-4 18:01 編輯 ]
作者: beamsboy    時間: 2008-1-4 18:03

原帖由 Purpleheart 於 2008-1-4 17:35 發表
所以因為咁好多香港黎既人都會同 " 大陸 " 呢個字劃清界線, 例如有鬼佬問 " are you from china? " o的香港人好鐘意答  : " no, i come from Hong Kong"...( 有個鬼佬 client 同我講既 ) ...


haha totally agree
cos this is me when i went to disneyland this xmas
alot of cast members ask me and my bf if we're from japan, then i said no
and they'll ask if we're from china
i'll say " no~ i'm from hong kong!"
作者: ravemother    時間: 2008-1-4 18:05

I believe not all mainlanders are rude and uncivilized.

However I recently had a similar unpleasant experience with those "bad apples".
I was playing drop-in badminton @ Yumo. all the courts were for drop-in. A bunch of mainland immigrants were playing at a court for almost an hour without rotating. That was not fair for the other players, especially me and my friends who were next on the waiting list.  

so i went over and told them that their time was up and needed to wait like everybody else. one of them who know a little English told his mates  about this and all the sudden, everyone of them started shouting and swearing at me using mandarin. they gave up the court yet kept shouting in mandarin on the side.

all games on the other courts were frozen bcuz of them shouting.

me and my friends pretended nothing happened and played on their court. i think it would have been worse if i let them know i can speak mandarin.
作者: Alcoholic    時間: 2008-1-4 21:57

mainlander or not...
i deal with this type of people with the all or nothing response:

1. i say/do nothing, & let them be... (心情好, or just feel 廢事煩）

2. 唔聲唔聲嚇佢一驚，狼/狠/大聲過佢。唔發火當我死貓~ this only happens when they repeatedly do the same thing, or eventually gets to my threshold nerves... (pretty hard to piss me off like that, as i have high tolerance. but some did blast me off) then i will fxxxxing make them pay.
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2008-1-4 23:02

世上有所謂「習以為常，積非成是」，當自小成長在一個随地吐痰、不守秩序、只知有己不知有人的國度，

上述的一切就成了理所當然。就像在前英殖民地成長的一代，書寫英文多中文少亦成理所當然，不足為怪

一般。如果有 中國大陸來的人 登上老友記一遊，發覺一個中文平台，但卻是英文書貼，遠遠多於中文書

貼！同時又書寫英文對他們評頭論足、說三道四！相信他們一定會覺得古時所謂「漢人學得胡兒語，站上

城頭駡漢人。」的情景複見於今日矣！
作者: sonson411    時間: 2008-1-5 00:12     標題: 回復 12# 的帖子

漢人學得胡兒語，站上城頭駡漢人。

somewhat disagree this point. 我是以中國人驕傲... 但很多時候,我覺得"大陸人"很掉中國人的臉...
外國人問我是從哪裡來的,我會跟大部分香港人一樣的回答:
"I'm from Hong Kong..." 但我會更強調... "I'm from Hong Kong, China... NOT FROM MAINLAND CHINA..."
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2008-1-5 00:34

二，三十年前既香港人咪又係一樣。
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2008-1-5 01:19

原帖由 sonson411 於 2008-1-5 00:12 發表
漢人學得胡兒語，站上城頭駡漢人。

somewhat disagree this point. 我是以中國人驕傲... 但很多時候,我覺得"大陸人"很掉中國人的臉...
外國人問我是從哪裡來的,我會跟大部分香港人一樣的回答:
"I'm from Hong Kong.. ...

我同你有少少唔同﹐人地問起時我仍會話 I'm from Hong Kong。。。但當人地話﹐甘即係 CHINA 啦﹐我會笑笑口話﹐係丫﹐即係 CHINA 了﹐現在。
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2008-1-5 02:26

返到香港，d人咪又係冇禮貌？
we are all the same.
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-1-5 10:39

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-5 00:34 發表
二，三十年前既香港人咪又係一樣。

i don't think so... my parents born in HK and they are around 50 yrs old now... they are not like that.
If "二，三十年前既香港人咪又係一樣"... then my parents would be like that too, right?!

and I'm not young too... if "二，三十年前既香港人咪又係一樣"... then I should've learned all these when I was young.
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2008-1-5 11:35

In general ..  Chinese .. East Indian .. French .. (yeah, somehow, french too!) are not that polite ..  
I always warn my friends, when we go out to eat or go to some public areas, we should keep our voice down ..  speaking LOUD is bad already .. . and speaking chinese loud (cantonese or mandarin) in Canada ..  is even worse ..

(Calgary here, so english is still the majority language ... )
作者: yuusaku    時間: 2008-1-5 11:40

度度都有好有壞，我係東莞／廣州／深圳D同事，禮貌唔會比HK D同事差。
作者: CHA    時間: 2008-1-5 13:03

Many of my new clients are from China (some from Northern China and some from South China) and almost all are very nice.

However, so many Mainlanders seem so rude. One time I was in NYC in a tour and the tour bus included many Mainland Chinese tourists. Every time when we leave the bus these people pushed and pushed while people stand in the centre to wait for departing the bus. I was so annoyed that I finally turn around to  罵 them. Later I found out that the worst one was actually a university professor. May be its just their normal way of behaviour. But talking loud, no regard for others, peeing and pooing in public places (hopefully just children) give all Chinese a bad impression to others.
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2008-1-5 13:14

係呀﹐坦白講﹐我識得好多有禮貌的從中國來的人﹐他們多數是受過高等教育的。。。
所以我看﹐邊度黎唔係主要問題﹐係教育的問題。。。
作者: 華美子    時間: 2008-1-5 13:50

我同意，我有同事同朋友都係知識份子（清華畢業），佢地都好有禮貌。
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-5 14:20

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作者: chobit    時間: 2008-1-5 16:50

Sound very sad.., but in a way true..!  =(

So, just hope that we the newer generation would learn the lessons from history, and know what to teach to our next generation as well! =D

EL

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-1-5 14:20 發表
講到尾其實咪又係D人有無教養？ 但自從毛賊搞完文革之後，中國最核心既文化同教養機磋已經被嚴重扭曲同撕裂，甚至附接近被完全破壞。 有文化，有教養／修養既人機符全部被鬥死。 試問一個受過咁黑暗殘暴虐待既民族，要休養幾耐先 ...
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-5 19:18

hah? 唔通妳以為香港無D咁既人？
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-6 00:00

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-5 02:26 發表
返到香港，d人咪又係冇禮貌？
we are all the same.

Did you ever see mainlanders let their kids pee and poo in a public bathroom sink?! But I never see any HK people do that before lor.
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-6 00:11

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-6 00:00 發表

Did you ever see mainlanders let their kids pee and poo in a public bathroom sink?! But I never see any HK people do that before lor.




個 point 唔繫大陸D阿媽就卑自己既細路隨地大小便，繫大陸人口多，人口多總會齣問題，香港D 阿媽如果番大陸住番3，5，7年再生多件，一樣會咁做，風氣問題。
作者: slamdunk6    時間: 2008-1-6 02:35

有一次係richmond pro 打羽毛球，有一班4人(我諗佢地係一家四口)黎我打緊個場踩場，話個場係佢book左。死都唔走咁既態度，話自己book左成年都係打呢個場。
緊住原來發現係櫃面比錯場我地，但係我地就係開始打早過佢地。個班大陸人，無等職員解釋，一見我地行開搵staff，就開晒波霸埋我地打緊個場。勁無引之餘，個班richmond pro 既staff又乜鬼都無善後，就唔理我地，叫我地轉場。

大陸人sucks, richmond pro 更 sucks。  
作者: -chunchun-    時間: 2008-1-6 02:48     標題: not all peple from china like that..

I am from HK, have been here almost like 10 years, I knew so many friends from china and grow up with me. (I mean young people, not the old age).

People grow up from here (From China), they are just like us, 禮貌.

This is just my opinion.

Thanks
作者: news    時間: 2008-1-6 05:50

from what i encounter...most of the female mainlanders are nicer than the male...but generally they are nicer than i expected
作者: leo_tsoi    時間: 2008-1-6 06:47

原帖由 -chunchun- 於 2008-1-6 02:48 發表
I am from HK, have been here almost like 10 years, I knew so many friends from china and grow up with me. (I mean young people, not the old age).

People grow up from here (From China), they are just ...


都唔係啊. 我有啲frd嘅父母都好nice啊. 其實係真係睇吓有無受過正常教育嘅啫.
作者: Hyde    時間: 2008-1-6 07:17

haha
get used to it... my sis was at LV and some mainlander just took the bag off my sis' hands and say she wanna buy it.
and since it was a special order bag, the sales won't let the mainlander buy, then the mainlander said,  she will pay more.   My sis got pissed and said she don't want it anymore.  The sales just kept saying sorry and will try to get her another but my sis already dont have the mood to buy it anymore lol
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-6 10:39

I think we are not saying "ALL" mainlanders are bad, but it's the "MAJORITY" of them lor.
作者: bubblesalt    時間: 2008-1-6 11:48

I don't know about education levels.... But do you agree they are more "likely" to do disgusting things in public?  My friend's mom just came back from Hong Kong on a Cxtxy flight, and she saw this man went to a corner and start peeing on the floor (there were a line for the bathroom).  So the flight attendant rush over and told him he can't do that, then right after, they made an announcement telling people to "use the facilities, we cannot do our business in the corner" in MANDARIN ONLY!!!

If I was there, I would be so ashamed to be a Chinese.
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-6 12:29

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作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-6 12:42

Hahahaha........... now I would like to see if there is still anyone says people in China and people in HK are the same (talking about the majority)?!
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2008-1-6 13:12

如果冇D冇文化冇公德心既人又點顯得你地咁高尚咁有文化呢?

如果大陸個個都好有公德心好守秩序既時候我估你先要開始擔心。
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-6 14:52

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作者: hilow2002    時間: 2008-1-6 15:44

原帖由 bubblesalt 於 2008-1-6 11:48 發表
I don't know about education levels.... But do you agree they are more "likely" to do disgusting things in public?  My friend's mom just came back from Hong Kong on a Cxtxy flight, and she saw this ma ...


Would be so much fun if this is on youtube ...
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2008-1-6 15:50

原帖由 Traum 於 2008/1/6 14:52 發表

咁我又真係情願個個人都有最機本既公德同文化喇。 講真，要做到咁又有幾難？ 每一個 civilized 既城市都差唔多做到啦。

-力


飯就係咁多
自然有人有飯食有人冇飯食
你唔去搶或者代表你有公德心
但係亦代表你唔肚餓
如果大陸人人都唔肚餓
可能就輪到你肚餓
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-6 16:13

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作者: PreciousMoment    時間: 2008-1-6 16:15

我都試過去上海工幹搭JAL既business class,點知後面行果個mainland男人將佢既shoes & socks脫落黎, 然後將對腳撐住我果頭枕 & 放係the space between my seat & the seat next to me...so disgusting.  後來我&我同事同果空姐講, 點知空姐勸佢唔聽, 所以我&我同事寧願要求調去economy class.  好無manner.
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-6 17:40

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-6 12:42 發表
Hahahaha........... now I would like to see if there is still anyone says people in China and people in HK are the same (talking about the majority)?!



體妳既語氣好似因為妳繫香港人就好得慼咁，乜爭贏左有飯開？定妳總繫以自己繫香港人為榮？
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-1-6 18:09

I think we are just talking about the 比例.  
For example, there are only 20% of HK ppl 冇公德, but there are 50% of 大陸 ppl 冇公德.  Since the 冇公德既大陸人 比例較多, that makes ppl think "all" or "most" 大陸人冇公德... and remember even there are only 10% of 大陸人 are 冇公德, that already more than the whole population in HK.

Like other ppl said, there are some 大陸人 who are 有禮貌, 有公德,  I know some fds like that too.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-1-6 19:04

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-6 16:00 發表

Did you ever see mainlanders let their kids pee and poo in a public bathroom sink?! But I never see any HK people do that before lor.


When I was a child (20+ year ago), I saw MANY HK people let their kids pee in public rubbish bin. In public bathroom sink? As there were in bathroom, why did they need to pee in the sink?

Also, I was one of those who pissed at the 坑渠 on the street.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-1-6 19:07

原帖由 bubblesalt 於 2008-1-7 03:48 發表
I don't know about education levels.... But do you agree they are more "likely" to do disgusting things in public?  My friend's mom just came back from Hong Kong on a Cxtxy flight, and she saw this ma ...


Is "he" a dog?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2008-1-6 19:10

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-1-7 07:50 發表


飯就係咁多
自然有人有飯食有人冇飯食
你唔去搶或者代表你有公德心
但係亦代表你唔肚餓
如果大陸人人都唔肚餓
可能就輪到你肚餓


閣下係assume 飯係唔夠分, 但係邊個話真係唔夠分架? 就算真係唔夠分, 唔夠飯就去種多d 米, 唔一定要去搶既.
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2008-1-6 20:49

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2008/1/6 19:10 發表


閣下係assume 飯係唔夠分, 但係邊個話真係唔夠分架? 就算真係唔夠分, 唔夠飯就去種多d 米, 唔一定要去搶既.


係呀
遲下睇黎你同我都要去種栗米種小麥
作者: matt72178    時間: 2008-1-6 20:57

某程度上我非常同意牛哥既講法。 點 解 大 陸 人 係 0甘 ﹐ 係 環 境 逼 成 。 我 舉 個 例 子 ﹐ OK﹐ 你 好 有 公 德 心 ﹐ 循 規 度 舉 排 隊 等 巴 士 ﹐ 我 諗 你 明 年 今 日 都 無 機 會 沾 到 巴 士 邊 。 再 一 個 例 子 ﹐ 正 路 黎 講 ﹐紅 燈 等 綠 燈 ﹐  綠 燈 過 馬 路 ﹐ 好 正 路 丫 , right? 咪 又 錯 囉 。 你 抱 住 呢 個 信 念 ﹐ 咪 又 賴 灑 野 呢 世 都 唔 洗 過 囉 。 他 媽 的 ﹐ 0係 大 陸 3 條 線 行 五 架 車 都 得 既 。
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-6 23:00

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作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2008-1-6 23:07

原帖由 Traum 於 2008/1/6 23:00 發表
唯有寄望佢 （中國） 同世界接軌既同時，能夠知道自己學養上有幾咁落後，而唔係淨係一味財大氣粗，以為有錢就巴X閉...

唉...

-力


其實佢地都知
只不過錢係最直接用來提高身份既工具
其他品味唔係話提昇就提昇既
表面最冇羞恥心既人其實內心最覺得羞恥
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-6 23:15

原帖由 快樂牛郎 於 2008-1-6 23:07 發表


其實佢地都知
只不過錢係最直接用來提高身份既工具
其他品味唔係話提昇就提昇既
表面最冇羞恥心既人其實內心最覺得羞恥


Well..I guess that's not true either, part of the people are as you say so, but not for all.
作者: Traum    時間: 2008-1-7 01:53

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作者: tck    時間: 2008-1-7 02:14

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-5 00:34 發表
二，三十年前既香港人咪又係一樣。

why don't you say ppl from 3000 years ago they are all the same
why don't you just eat raw meat but cook
its all bacause we are educatED
i can say i don't know much still have a lot to learn
but i don't think i am "non educatED"
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-7 09:52

This topic is never gonna end. Over and over, people either from china aggressively educated me that HK are just the same. We are all Chinese and we should stand strong together blah blah blah. THEN, again and again, their behavior just drive me nut.

I know we should not be racist and I know we are all Chinese but when their rude behaviors become repetitive and they still think they are alright. I just cannot tolerate them at all.

I understand what you guys are trying to point out and yes, that's the weak arguement point. Not all China people like that, my friend are from CHina, they ain't like that or my bf is from china and they are very educated and polite. I'm sick of hear that for I tried to convinced myself the same way but................ like my argument on facebook...........

Okay, I know there are "some" people are polite and educated from China. Just like my co-worker they are graduated from "ching wa university" and I respect them not because of their education but their manner. Okay, Just like my caveman, he is from guazhou and so does his cousin (almost like his big sister as they grow up together)...they are very polite and very educated ................but.......................

People keep telling me oh, the population in China is huge. The chance you ran into rude China people are high. Talking about percentage................ I dare to say majority of people from China are rude, only minority are educated. How about the ratio? 2:8?
or 1:9?

And the funny thing is, I went to China for vacation last year with caveman. His relative are loud and luckily, not as bad as those who speak mandarin in Richmond. Then...................here comes the funny thing, the cantonese speaker blame that it's the "northern" people that are uneducated but unfortunately, those "nau loi" are the group that make guazhou rich and busy.....

And when I come back to Vancouver, I had a dinner with my good friend. His girlfriend is from the north and he totally into her and her culture. His dad has factory in China too....then he told me, really? I think it's the Southern part of China are rude. People from the north are very polite and educated.....................
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-7 09:57     標題: 回復 53# 的帖子

Because that's the "slavery" spirit of Chinese, they bow in front of western people and pretend they are so "charm" that us honger criticize them and scream at other Chinese.

They just generally "scare the strongest, and hit the weakest".

I am not sure if you guys remember me mentioned the car incident happened to me and caveman before. I screamed back at him and threaten him that i would just press 911 if he kept banging at my window. That night, caveman and I called 911 and we gave them a essay long note about how he threaten us and we feel that our lives were at risk. After that, I think the cop took a couple visit to their house and since then, they avoid eye contact with us and not dare to park in front of our house.
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-7 10:05     標題: 回復 49# 的帖子

matt72178,

I agree with what you said on this point. YES他 媽 的 ﹐ 0係 大 陸 3 條 線 行 五 架 車 都 得 既 。 This is what I experienced in my friend's car in China.

And in China, Caveman and I have to pretend we were one of them in order to survive. We ain't rude but we have to speak loud and tone our voice in order to bargain or else they will just "ha" us on everything.

We have no choice but push into the MTR or else we have to wait and wait.....
We have to "speak loud" to the waitress in the restaurant or else nobody serve us.

I hate that culture so much and I wonder when will they ever change???
It's like a virus. If 公德 is an antibiotic to this "virus", why can't they change?

The funny part is, have you ever seen things like these? I was in the city core of Guazhou, and there were police standing at the intersection "educate" people have to stop when it's red light. Walk across when it's green light. When the Police stop the woman from walking across when the red light on, the china lady scream and yell at the police like she is insane.......

With Olympic coming up, I have "no eye" see lor..... Of course, as a Chinese, I hope it will be a blast not a broadcast of shame la.
作者: SAZABI    時間: 2008-1-7 10:20

原帖由 slamdunk6 於 2008-1-6 02:35 發表
有一次係richmond pro 打羽毛球，有一班4人(我諗佢地係一家四口)黎我打緊個場踩場，話個場係佢book左。死都唔走咁既態度，話自己book左成年都係打呢個場。
緊住原來發現係櫃面比錯場我地，但係我地就係開始打早過佢地。個班 ...


嗯... 呢樣野好似同係唔係大陸人無乜關係喎. 我唔覺佢地有必要等你同 richmondpro D staff傾掂先玩得喎.
個 court 又係佢 book 左, 錢又俾左, 有乜問題?
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2008-1-7 10:35

文化背景問題，發展中國家係咁(尤其係廣州)

舊時我都好睇唔過眼，不過而家諗下，佢地跟本唔識西方文化，好難要求佢地做到，希望佢地下一代會好D

大陸而家不停咁進步跟，俾D時間佢地啦
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2008-1-7 10:37

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-1-7 10:05 發表
matt72178,

I agree with what you said on this point. YES他 媽 的 ﹐ 0係 大 陸 3 條 線 行 五 架 車 都 得 既 。 This is what I experienced in my friend's car in China.

And in China, Caveman and I have t ...


I went to Beijing few years ago, people there are more civilized than people in 廣州......
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-7 10:44

Siumaibb,

I cannot make comment on Beijing as I never been to Beijing before but according to mandarin speaking people in Canada, not sure are they from Beijing or not, they are..............................way beyond from the word "uneducated"....

And when I took taxi in 廣州, I remember the driver said good morning to me and chat with me (perhaps it's early in the morning and he wanted to have a good day. Or perhaps, caveman's uncle is 'ling duo' (management) so that he was polite to me"

But when Caveman and I took a taxi to the city center, the mandarin driver made a sharp stop and scream at the driver at the front  "lei tai ma dei, you want to die? I will fxxk your mother puxxy , fxxking sh*t" in a very loud voice that I just keep silent and wish to get off from his car ASAP.....
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2008-1-7 10:52

原帖由 utopia 於 2008-1-7 10:44 發表
Siumaibb,

I cannot make comment on Beijing as I never been to Beijing before but according to mandarin speaking people in Canada, not sure are they from Beijing or not, they are...................... ...


I don't think judging them using our standard is appropriate coz it is their country and they have their own standard. Well, but in Canada, I think those 移民班 should teach them proper manner, but it is not something that can be taught easily, so, like I said, hope their offspring can do better...

China is changing, I am sure it will change to a point that we will proud to tell other people that we are Chinese.

[ 本帖最後由 siumaibb 於 2008-1-7 10:54 編輯 ]
作者: cowcowcafe    時間: 2008-1-7 11:06

i worked in a restaurant with general public as customer base...
but i see more and more mainland customers coming in now...
its so weird...they come in...and 8/10 of them expects to have someone speak mandarin to them and explain the menu...it kind of makes you feel that...o mandarin ppl have the greatest population and we have money now...u should have somone speak mandarin to us
they would talk mandarin to my coworker...whom is white...n ask him stuff...
作者: myversa    時間: 2008-1-7 11:28

I came here 20 years ago.  At that time, not many chinese here but mainly chinese came from old generation of china and hong kong.  I never experience those things before.

Over the years, more and more hong konger and taiwnese came to Vancouver and thoese things never happened neither.

However, in the last few years, more mainland chinese people came and those things started to emerge.

I have been to shanghai once and there was no order at all.  There was no line up in front of the gate even for the same tour bus people.  When the gate to an attraction opened, people just rushed in.
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-1-7 11:54

原帖由 yungfourfour 於 2008-1-4 16:25 發表

I heard from radio one time that a freewalker let his son poo at a sink in disneyland toilet lor

I actually saw this happening right in front of my eyes, not in HK Disney but here in CANADA!!!  Horrible!!!
作者: Nox    時間: 2008-1-7 12:13

Mainlanders are very protective of their pride.  Any negative comment regardless if true or false, are intolerable crimes.  It's ok for them to speak bad of themselves, make jokes of their shortcomings, but it's not okay for anybody else to do the same.
作者: bubblesalt    時間: 2008-1-7 16:30

原帖由 myversa 於 2008-1-7 11:28 發表
I came here 20 years ago.  At that time, not many chinese here but mainly chinese came from old generation of china and hong kong.  I never experience those things before.



i agree, I have been living in Vancouver for about 20 years, and people (Chinese, White, Black, whatever) used to be very polite, now they are getting more and more impolite, like getting on a bridge, before they will be one-by-one, now they all just rush in.  I think it's the general education of people, they think you are dumb for lining up or something, just push through and I will get through faster!
作者: bubblesalt    時間: 2008-1-7 16:34

And another thing..........  Why are our bathrooms sooooooooooooooo much dirtier?  You go to restaurants (even tiny little moms and pa deli), their bathroom is clean, there is toilet paper all the time.

But you go to a Chinese restaurant... OMG!!  First of all, they START out quite dirty, the restaurant owners use it as a storage, they NEVER clean it, it always smells....  It doesn't have to be a Hong Kong style restaurant or Mandarin speaking restaurant or Japanese (run by chinese), it's the SAME THING

What is it with Chinese people and bathroom things????  We can't control ourselves?  We can't clean up after ourselves?
作者: Littleprince    時間: 2008-1-7 18:21

原帖由 matt72178 於 2008-1-6 20:57 發表
某程度上我非常同意牛哥既講法。 點 解 大 陸 人 係 0甘 ﹐ 係 環 境 逼 成 。 我 舉 個 例 子 ﹐ OK﹐ 你 好 有 公 德 心 ﹐ 循 規 度 舉 排 隊 等 巴 士 ﹐ 我 諗 你 明 年 今 日 都 無 機 會 沾 到 巴 士 邊 。 再 一 個 例 ...

呢樣又係真。。。如果將我們放在那種環境﹐我們也許比他們更不堪。。。
我有個UNCLE 真係好似 MATT 哥你講一樣﹐人人唔排隊他排隊﹐所以成日上唔到車。
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2008-1-7 19:12

其實只不過係上等人睇唔過眼中等人
中等人睇唔過眼下等人

排隊食飯係秩序
上網下載俾錢亦都係秩序
你地見人唔排隊既時候條氣就咁唔順
但係自己上網下載盜版就完全唔會面紅
咪又係唔同價值觀既問題
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-7 22:43

原帖由 siumaibb 於 2008-1-7 10:37 發表


I went to Beijing few years ago, people there are more civilized than people in 廣州......




唔繫北京D人文明過廣州，繫北方D唔文明既人落曬去做黑工。
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-7 23:36

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2008-1-7 18:21 發表

呢樣又係真。。。如果將我們放在那種環境﹐我們也許比他們更不堪。。。
我有個UNCLE 真係好似 MATT 哥你講一樣﹐人人唔排隊他排隊﹐所以成日上唔到車。 ...

I don't hate any individual mainlander particularly, I also don't want to stereotype mainlanders; but no matter what background made them (even that is the reason mentioned above), "most mainlanders are like that" is the fact lor.
作者: Guy    時間: 2008-1-8 03:01

原帖由 CHA 於 2008-1-4 16:38 發表
A few months ago I was saw a father holding his one year old child over a garbage bin in front of the chinese market in Park Drive and just poo poo there. I was so shooked but he behaved like thats so ...

speaking of which
my gf's step-mom make her granddaughter do that in a garbage can too
作者: slamdunk6    時間: 2008-1-8 03:32

細路哥，周街屙，認真舒暢
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-8 06:39

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-7 23:36 發表

I don't hate any individual mainlander particularly, I also don't want to stereotype mainlanders; but no matter what background made them (even that is the reason mentioned above), "most mainlanders  ...

五十步笑百步
妳D階級觀念又咪係國民虐根性
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-1-8 08:30

原帖由 slamdunk6 於 2008-1-8 03:32 發表
細路哥，周街屙，認真舒暢

I guess mainland people don't value humanity as high as the western world does.  They just think that humans are another type of "animal".  So if dogs can poo around the street, why can't humans can't? LOL
作者: PAnn    時間: 2008-1-8 10:27

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-1-8 08:30 發表

I guess mainland people don't value humanity as high as the western world does.  They just think that humans are another type of "animal".  So if dogs can poo around the street, why can't humans can' ...


No, people in mainland China think themselves as one type of animal, and they actually are. But you are not? Then I wonder what kind of supernatural being you are?

[ 本帖最後由 PAnn 於 2008-1-8 10:29 編輯 ]
作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-8 10:37

原帖由 PAnn 於 2008-1-8 10:27 發表


No, people in mainland China think themselves as one type of animal, and they actually are. But you are not? Then I wonder what kind of supernatural being you are?


Agree
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-8 14:26

原帖由 yayaya 於 2008-1-8 06:39 發表

五十步笑百步
妳D階級觀念又咪係國民虐根性

What's wrong to state out the fact of a culture? As simply as: White people speak English, Chinese people speak Chinese. These are facts, doesn't mean speaking English or Chinese is more superior. Got it?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-8 14:30

原帖由 PAnn 於 2008-1-8 10:27 發表


No, people in mainland China think themselves as one type of animal, and they actually are. But you are not? Then I wonder what kind of supernatural being you are?

Surely dogs are animal and human beings are animal too. So, dogs would poo and make love on the street, you also do that too? Amazing.....
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-1-8 15:07

No, people in mainland China think themselves as one type of animal, and they actually are. But you are not? Then I wonder what kind of supernatural being you are?

If they think they're a type of animal then they're lor...not gonna argue that with you...lol

BUT I won't call myself an animal!

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作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-8 18:07

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-8 14:30 發表

Surely dogs are animal and human beings are animal too. So, dogs would poo and make love on the street, you also do that too? Amazing.....



my dog never poo on the street. yours will?! amazing too.....

真繫物似主人形囖。。。
作者: maldini    時間: 2008-1-8 18:42

I heard that in Japan, it is their culture that some adult men pee on the streets. Is there something wrong with their culture/education?
作者: 落花隨水    時間: 2008-1-8 20:34

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-8 14:30 發表

Surely dogs are animal and human beings are animal too. So, dogs would poo and make love on the street, you also do that too? Amazing.....


你不觉得這樣的回復會很无赖吗？
搞到個話題由討論变为吵架，呢頭話大陸人無品轉頭自己又...
唉 唔好影衰香港啦~

[ 本帖最後由 落花隨水 於 2008-1-8 20:36 編輯 ]
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-8 21:46

原帖由 yayaya 於 2008-1-8 18:07 發表



my dog never poo on the street. yours will?! amazing too.....

真繫物似主人形囖。。。

Mind re-read the word "would"? If you didn't deny your dog "would" make love on the street, that means you will do that too? Oh I see.
And the most important point of all, giving example doesn't mean to discuss the exact issue but the concept la (the idea that "you and your dog are the same"). (But obviously you don't understand that.... oh well). OK.. OK, I won't argue with you anymore, hahaha....!
作者: scottina    時間: 2008-1-9 00:15

原帖由 落花隨水 於 2008-1-8 20:34 發表


你不觉得這樣的回復會很无赖吗？
搞到個話題由討論变为吵架，呢頭話大陸人無品轉頭自己又...
唉 唔好影衰香港啦~

我又唔覺得係吵架喎,咁討論係咁架喇.......會唔會係你......諗多咗呀

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作者: yayaya    時間: 2008-1-9 00:34

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-8 21:46 發表

Mind re-read the word "would"? If you didn't deny your dog "would" make love on the street, that means you will do that too? Oh I see.
And the most important point of all, giving example doesn't mea ...



non-sense
meaningless
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-9 01:50

Yes, exactly! To put an equal sign between "human" and "dog" ("both are animals"), and "mainlander" and "Hongkongese" is non-sense and meaningless lor! Haha....
作者: puZZle    時間: 2008-1-9 03:11

原帖由 hilow2002 於 2008-1-6 15:44 發表


Would be so much fun if this is on youtube ...


haha so true!
===================================================================

P.S. does education level necessarily = manners + morals?
we do not see the education of manners or morals
in China, Canada, and HK (hk partly in primary...i guess)

from my experience, UBC students have bad manners too when boarding the bus at the busloop
educated? maybe
manners? i don't know

(i am in UBC myself)

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作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-1-9 08:38

原帖由 maldini 於 2008-1-8 18:42 發表
I heard that in Japan, it is their culture that some adult men pee on the streets. Is there something wrong with their culture/education?

I won't say they have a problem in their culture/education, but definitely a problem with this act in terms of hygiene and respect to other people.  If other people can accept that in Japan then it's fine, just don't do it here.  Applies to mainlanders as well.  Even if it's OK to do "something" in China, it might not be proper here!  Need to follow the rule of the game...
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-9 10:15

I think it's pointless to compare human = animal. It's true we are in "animal" class BUT then, human has something which make us much more superior than other animal which are moral and principle.

If you really have to said your dog won't poo on the street, then good for you. But isn't it you are suggesting mainlander are nothing closer to a dog since a dog won't poo on the street and they will???
作者: utopia    時間: 2008-1-9 10:20

I was reviewing Chintendo clips at home on youtube last night and reviewing the comments.

I just completely speechless...

I mean, yes that's true, Hongers and Japanese was like that in the past too. Western people laugh at hongers and Japanese when we were on vacation in somewhere else. BUT we kept silence and learned from mistake and willing to prove to the world that we can be improve.

Now, China is going through the exact same procedure and the only different is they DENY what they are doing is wrong. Worst is, they FORCE and WANT the whole world to accept they are just being themselves...............

A lot of mainlander or older generation point out that Japan was a copycat in history too and a lot of their products including ship (according to my dad) was a joke to the world like China recently. I mean, you can laughed at japan on how they copy others idea BUT .........copying is one thing, at least they copy the ideas and enhance the whole structure to be better than the original brand (i.e. Camera)

How about China??? They copy others idea into a ****ty version and have no intention to make it better than the original idea. They just want to make more money out of it and end of story.

That's why I feel shameful sometimes when some mainlander was using Japan to protect themselves.
作者: Intelstan    時間: 2008-1-9 10:26

I feel the same way as most of you.  Good thing those people from china have a certain distinguishable "look" to them so other chinese people won't mistaken me as part of their group.  And for non-chinese people, I tell them I'm from HK, not china.

The problem is that people from mainland china treat canada as china and can't change their habits.  Their cheapness and attitude are influenced too deeply by the lifestyle in china and they all hang around together even when they come to canada which makes them unchangeable.
作者: notgoddy    時間: 2008-1-9 11:19

That is exactly what the Canadian multicultural policies are trying to do. Mosaic not melting pot.
作者: 落花隨水    時間: 2008-1-9 12:01

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-9 01:50 發表
Yes, exactly! To put an equal sign between "human" and "dog" ("both are animals"), and "mainlander" and "Hongkongese" is non-sense and meaningless lor! Haha....



典型既事耑挑起者，amazing... Yes,exactly! haha...
作者: PAnn    時間: 2008-1-9 12:03

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-9 01:50 發表
Yes, exactly! To put an equal sign between "human" and "dog" ("both are animals"), and "mainlander" and "Hongkongese" is non-sense and meaningless lor! Haha....



咁唔知如果標題改成“香港來的人”你又会点写
作者: notgoddy    時間: 2008-1-9 12:49

obviously, HongKongnese=Mammals
作者: PAnn    時間: 2008-1-9 14:41

原帖由 notgoddy 於 2008-1-9 12:49 發表
obviously, HongKongnese=Mammals



but then mammals belong to animal -_-||  and please, don't turn the argument into a bio topic.. I 服 you guys...
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-9 17:21

原帖由 落花隨水 於 2008-1-9 12:01 發表



典型既事耑挑起者，amazing... Yes,exactly! haha...

You are very welcome to correct my statements with valid points, even your own personal pov. (seriously) That's called "serious discussion". Thank you.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-1-9 17:29

原帖由 PAnn 於 2008-1-9 12:03 發表



咁唔知如果標題改成“香港來的人”你又会点写

Again, I emphasized "fact", there is no initial intention to judge which is more superior then which. For example, there are mainlanders pee and poo on the street, in the sink..., but I never seen and never heard Hongers do that. So, that's the "fact". Only you (general term) have different personal judgment in your heart. Right?
Therefore, even the title becomes "香港來的人", there would be people standing on different sides too ga wor. No problem ar. Why there should be a problem?



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