chobit

As for camera, it's matter of budget, but then I am sure then up coming Camera for Canon 450D would be a great choice.

As for lens would be a big factor for getting high quality image, but then they are also very expensive.  To start, you can buy what cheap lens you can afford, but I would highly recommend 50mm f/2.5 macro if you can afford it, if not get the 50 f/1.8

chobit

But I think it depends on if the person is too lazy, or he/she is willing to take a DSLR at all time..

Dight P&S still got limitations where I think it obstruct someone to learn photography.  One of the big one is probably the limited aperture setting and effects.

Don't get me wrong, I think digtal P&S has it's own place, just that it is not complete, and those missing capability can be the key element to a photo.

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-1-26 17:41 發表

Of course not. The most important skills of a photographer, aside from his creativity, is his ability to read light and compose the image he is after. None of those skills require a dSLR.

-Lik

[ 本帖最後由 chobit 於 2008-1-29 10:43 編輯 ]

chobit

Hey..I think you have a very good point.  The previews being done in the heads do have alot of benifits =D  I feel so lucky that I started photography before the digital age =P

I can't say one can learn faster because they use film camera?

DSLR has the advantage for the photographer to shoot more at lower cost, and it allows the photographer to review the pictures instantaly.

Film camera would probably encourage the photographer to think before they shoot.

However, if we like, we can always use the DSLR the same way as film SLR.  Turn the preview off, use M setting, and don't review/delete any pics until you get home.  Or maybe bring smaller size memory card, and limit the # of pictures for your assignments.

原帖由 MoiRhapsody 於 2008-1-29 09:48 發表
well if you shoot more film, you will find the different.
It relies on your experience and skill in a heavy weight because the so call "preview" is done in the mind.
Since digital is cheap, ppl do the ...

chobit

It's good to read more books or from the webs, and shoot more at the same time.  Given that you know the basics:

1> ISO Setting
2> Shutters
3> Apertures
4> Different type of lightmeter
5> Focal Length

Give youself assignments such as:
Example:
- Location:  City Park  (eg. Richmond Nature Park)
- Using ISO 100 Only and shoot in M mode
- Try out shooting with 35mm lens focal length only
- Shoot with diff. aperture settings, and ask youself why each given aperture is being used
- adjust shutter speed to get proper exposure

Then go home and review each pictures in details, did you capture what you have expected?  If not, find out why.  Find your best photos, and share with other photographers, and get some opinions.

chobit

TOo Bad I am not in Vancouver =(  Or I really wouldn't mind sharing my knowledge in person with those who are interested in photography.

Someday, I really want to teach photography classes, but well..I probably isn't good enough yet

chobit

Let's not to get into those digital vs film debates again..!  I am sure it has all been covered on many other forums

We should all admit that it's easier to capture better images with digital because we can take many more pictures of the same subjects for lower cost.!  Then to many traditional film photographers, that's the cheating way.

But then, bottom line is the attitudes of the photographers toward this.  I myself started out with film, and I know how valuable this knowledge and experiences allow me to be a better photographer, but then I've met many other profesional photographers who have never used films.

If you think about it, film vs digital is like comparing hand writing a letter vs e-mail.



[ 本帖最後由 chobit 於 2008-1-30 01:07 編輯 ]

chobit

原帖由 紅豆冰 於 2008-1-24 22:11 發表
0係Vancouver 去邊到買SLR相機好，解釋又詳細，价錢又好？好似HK咁有0野送，冇都吾緊要？
What is the difference in EOS Digital Rebel XTi, EOS 40D, EOS Digital Rebel XT？用在初學生，0那部適合, 輕, 配0那種鏡頭, 容易上手？ ...

Let's come back to 紅豆冰's question again sin..

Just my own conclusions

Rebel XTi:
Pro
1> Sensor Clean
2> small/light weight w/o the vert. grip  (I personally use grips for all my cameras)
Con
1> Settings show at the main LCD on the back only
2> Only one wheel for changing shutter/aperture settings

40D - I have no idea.., as I have never used it

Rebel XT: - I don't recommend it, the money saving doesn't worth losing what you can get on the XTi.

chobit

Nah..I don't think that applies wor!?  I would say DSLR and SLR are both stick shift in the cars world la.  For a driver point of view, maybe it's more like new fuel injection sport car (DSLR) vs old carburetor sedan (SLR), who cares.  They can both get you to the same place, just that one might have more Horse Power, better steering, better suspension...AWD haha!

One may find that they can learn more driving the old car because it is so much harder to drive around in full speed, but it doesn't necessary mean we can't learn driving the new sport car either...!

Just wanna BS haha!

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-30 10:55 發表

Well, it's like saying: from a driver's point of view, driving manual car is just the same as driving auto one. What do you think, Traum?

chobit

Well..there are unlimited of things you can do, so instead, I would recommend google it.

You can try assignment such as:

Color theme: Anything that's red
Shape theme:  Anything that's circle

No flash
Manual Apertures/shutters (AF is fine)
In Camera Metering: Center-weighted average or Spot
Use only 1 lens, and pick a small range of focal length (eg. 17mm-35mm)

Hope this help

原帖由 jake123 於 2008-1-30 14:49 發表
@Chobit: Do you mind giving me more examples of the projects? I think it will be very helpful for me. Thanks.

Also, another question, how do you shoot in M? I mean do you have to use a lightmeter? Or ...

chobit

I don't think you quite understand what I was saying.

I have already mentioned, the comparison of auto/stick vs digital/film isn't quite right.  There are essential things that you can't do with AT.  But DSLRs can performance most if not all essential things films can.

There are many traditional photographer who still prefer films rather than digital.  Some simplely aren't willing to change, while some may be computer/technology dummies.  If one is willing to learn basic digital darkroom along with DSLR with basic oomputer knowledge, I still think digitals are better alternative to learn than films..!

Also, professionl films are very expensive..!  One of my favorite film Kodak Portra is $8.50 a roll of 36.
Printing at ABC Photos is $17.50 1 Day service or $22.60 Pro Service.  You will be spending $0.86 a photo.

Let say you are going to learn how to shoot a wedding for free. 1000 shots is not uncommon for digital, 1000 shots on film base on $.86 a pic = $860-

I took 11000 pics excluding my paid wedding jobs in 2005.  Just to give you an idea..!

Bottom line, photography is a very expensive hobby in the old days, but it can be much cheaper now with digital.  So, I see very little reasons to go back to film unless you enjoy doing so personally, or on client requests.

Just my 2 cents.

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-1-30 22:23 發表
No matter manual car or auto car, you can drive from point A to point B. And no matter film or digital camera, you can take pictures with it. Then what's the difference? My point is, if you really lov ...

[ 本帖最後由 chobit 於 2008-1-31 14:21 編輯 ]