rockypath

梅佬，人數方面的確係俾預期有所不及，但話晒個投票人數都儸返足泛民個基本盤，而當你考慮埋民主黨班大哥一 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 10:07

What is the value of democratic political system? Shouldn’t the 立法委員represent people in the government? Shouldn’t they do their job according to the will of the people they represent instead for their own political agenda?

Could you tell me why should they 堅持推動五區補選 when majority of Hong Kong people disagree with their 激進行為 and wasting tax payers’ money?

65%人反對花公帑補選
(星島)2010年5月16日 星期日 05:30 (綜合報道)

(星島日報    報道)立法會補選今日舉行，香港青年會在補選前夕就政改及補選問題訪問了五百名市民，結果發現八成受訪者表示有留意最近政府及補選的新聞。而對於花費近一點五億的補選「變相公投」，六成五受訪者表示不認同，更有五成一表明今日不會去投票。

　　調查結果顯示，五成受訪者同意增加功能組別及民選議席各五席，五成八人同意下屆特首選舉    選委會人數增加四百人至一千二百人，以擴大其代表性。而對於香港政制發展，四成三受訪者認為本港應循序漸進邁向民主，兩成六則認為應遵從有社會共識的改革。

　　香港青年會認為，調查顯示大部分市民均支持減少社會爭拗，以循序漸進的政制發展原則，盡快就政改達成共識並通過政改方案。而大部分受訪者支持增加立法會議席及特首選委會名單，可見市民認為功能組別會以較專業角度或社會整體利益去表態，而過去多年的政制爭拗及政黨對立，只有激發社會內部矛盾，不但虛耗社會資源，最終亦只會令政制發展停滯不前。

rockypath

Funny how you dare to mention "the value of a democratic political system". Given all the oppressio ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 12:00

Just answer my question direct and straight. Why didn't the 立法委員 do according to the will of Hong Kong people?  65% of people opposed what they do and they just ignore the will of Hong Kong people.

rockypath

And why don't you answer my question direct and straight for a change? Given all the oppression and  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 12:36

If you are fighting for democracy, should you and 社民連 be the first to 尊重民意?

In my opinion, Hong Kong people did participate in the election and voted against them. 社民連 will proudly announce their victory if the voting rate reach 30%! The Hong Kong people caste their votes against them by not showing up to vote.

This tell them that there are things that are more important and critical to 普羅大眾 and 小市民. I believe every Hong Kong citizen supports the building of democracy. But they also make it very clear that they do not agree on this kind of extreme action and the timing for 雙普選 is not more critical than other issues such as 就業，貧富懸殊，香港競爭力。

You guys has said enough Hong Kong government 強姦民意。So why didn’t you accuse they強姦民意 as well?

rockypath

我想問如果係你，你吾投的原因是什麼？
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-16 15:50

Can you recall the standard they set for its victory? You should be able to tell the reason why people didn't show up.

rockypath

i want to hear your opinion, not others
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-16 18:19

Didn’t they say they measure the success of this 公投 by 投票率? The more people come out to vote will mean they get more support and consent from Hong Kong people?

Isn’t it another way of saying – “if you support me, come out and vote; if you do not support me, don’t vote.”?

If I do not support them, why should cast my vote? I voted against them by not showing up to vote. Do I make myself clear?

rockypath

Doh~ This clearly shows that you don't know shxt about the democratic process and the responsibilit ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 19:11

The election has been hijacked by taking advantage of the loophole in Hong Kong’s political system. If we go out to vote, it will be wrongfully interpreted as showing support to the action which we do not support.

Therefore, people choose to vote against them by refusing to cast their votes and send them a clear message.

If you want to get a fair support from people, then please respect the will of people instead of  扭曲 the purpose of general election for your own political gains.

rockypath

First of all, your logic is completely flawed here, Rocky-BS-dude. The de facto referendum is not a  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 22:29

Who is BSing here?

Forcing an election which Hong Kong people do not want and do not need, deciding the way and standard of how to interoperate the voting result in your own terms and telling the Hong Kong people – “you must suck it up” is your interpretation of democracy?

Did not the Hong Kong people send a clear message? Sorry to disappoint you. If they force another election again, I believe the turn-out rate will be even worse than this time.

rockypath

Does your friend even know what the de facto referendum is about? What the issue at hand is? Is he  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-5-16 23:24

Is forcing your will to the people who you represent instead of representing the will of people the right thing to do?

Hong Kong people have made it very clear that they don’t want your “de facto referendum”. Why don’t you respect their will instead of accusing them do not understand the significant of the “de facto referendum” which is interpreted in your own terms and twisted for your own political agenda.  

Before you talk about democracy, please learn how to respect the will of people first. That is the basic step you can do in your ability to make a contribution to the building of democracy for Hong Kong people.

rockypath

It is more upsetting is that they do not accept the fact their “de facto referendum” is a failure and continue to ignore the will of Hong Kong people. Below is quoted from Hong Kong 明報 － “社民連黃毓民表示，無論結果如何，會把抗爭升級，發動市民包圍立法會，重返議會後必定會反對政改方案。”

Does 黃毓民 know what “respecting the will of people” mean when he claims he is fighting for the democracy of Hong Kong?

When 黃毓民 was elected into 立法會, I was pretty happy for him and expected him to be “一股清泉” in 立法會. But he totally disappointed me. I guess it would be best to him and to Hong Kong people that he returns to his old career and make a living by playing lip service.