rockypath

I met 4 different people who were directly involved in the Tian An Me Square. One was a police man who was on the Tian An Men (where chairman Mao stood in 1949) and watched the whole clear-out procedure. 3 other were students who were in Tian An Me square. 2 of them used to be the PHD students at UBC (one of them has a brother who was a PLA to clear out the students as well) and the other one was a software engineer in a firm at downtown Vancouver.

The whole event had developed to the state which was not the original intention of the students and the students had totally lost the control of the situation. And the whole clear-out procedure is not as same as what some people on LYK thought to be or “heard” from “someone”.

I don’t think I can do a good job of explaining what I heard from these people. I don’t want to be called – “共狗”. (Of course, there were people (& students) died that time. I do not deny that at all)

At last, LYKs should consider what Daimo said – “我只想知道真相.  有多少人死了, 在什麽地方死, 怎麽死, 為甚麽死, 他們死前作什麽, 誰殺的? 這些都是探求真相缺一不可的元素.  若果若干年後國際法庭要查6.4, 難道我們就只用當時BBC/CNN/routers 的報導作証???? (活多了二＋年, 到今日早不会單純相信西方傳媒了) ”

rockypath

天安門廣場內﹐軍隊沒有開槍殺人﹐ 坦克碌人。..... 天安門廣場外面﹐ 軍隊的確有開槍   ...
soli 發表於 2009-5-29 09:13

This is same with what we were told by the policeman who watched the clear-out procedure. We met him last year in US and he is a long-time friend of my colleague. Even though I cannot verify what he told us is true or not, I don't think there is any need for him to tell us a fake story in a family dinner.

rockypath

There are so many reasons why people cannot tell the truth.
They are the receiving ends of benefit
They made deals with the concern parties
They know there will be great impact when truth is told
It i ...
sheep 發表於 2009-5-29 16:20

I am not sure whether you are replying to other people or questioning the degree of truth of what the policeman told us.

In fact, I thought about this as well. However, if there is any reason he cannot tell us the true story, he could have said - "I was not there", "I didn't see anything", "it was too far away from where I stood", "I cannot tell you what happened", "I don't want to talk about this" or any other reasonable excuses. There is no need for him to make up a fake story.

rockypath

Is it really that difficult to comprehend why they would not speak the truth? Unless you are as high profile and well-known as Dan Wang or something, what would it take for PRC to shut him up?

If yo ...
Lik 發表於 2009-5-29 16:47

You have your stand on the Tiananmen incident and you have your own channels of receiving information.

I think we are trying to discuss the truth of what happened within Tiananmen square, but not whether some students were brain-washed (especially they were not there when the incident happened).  

I tried to pass on the information I received without adding my personal prejudgement or opinions.

rockypath

62# Lik

A very simple question everyone can understand:
IF THERE WAS NO WRONGDOING during the 6.4 , WHY THE CCP KEEP AVOIDING THE STRAIGHT ANSWER BUT KEEP BRINGING UP THEIR ECONOMIC ACHIEVEMENT
INS ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-5-29 17:32

I think we are trying to collect information about the truth of the incident, but not trying play "smart reasoning" --- "because.... then it must be ....." or "if ...., then.....".

rockypath

64# somewhereintime
My uncle, who was the head of Municipal police told me the  story on 6.4
he was able to study from the CLASSIFIED UNCIRCLATED DOCUMENTs. He has no reason to lie to me especially ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-5-29 17:47

Would you mind to tell us what exactly your uncle told you about what exactly happend within Tiananmen square especially at the night of clearing out the square. And we can take it as one of the source to verify against other pieces of information we can collect.

rockypath

66# somewhereintime
My uncle showed me his diary, on June 20th. 1989 he wrote
I joined the Red Army when I was 13, as a CCP, my life belong to the Motherland,
and I'm ready to sacrifice my life for  ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-5-29 18:10

Is it what your uncle told you???? Your uncle’s regret of being a CPP member tell us nothing about what happened within Tiananmen Square at that night.

You made big statements about what happened at Tiananmen and told us you know inside information about the incident using your uncle’s name to back you up, but it turned out he couldn’t back you up at all.

BTW, I hope you don't tell us that you cannot tell us what your uncle told you since it was from the CLASSIFIED & UNCIRCULATED DOCUMENTS.

rockypath

70# somewhereintime

So you don't know what exactly happened within Tiananmen Square especially at that night then (as same as us).

rockypath

RockyPath dude, believe what you want to believe. The CCP's modus operandi has always remained the same -- they cover up what is embarrassing on their part, whether through bribing, intimidation, viol ...
Lik 發表於 2009-5-29 20:33

My intention from the beginning is trying to get involved in an (fairly) objective discussion of the truth of what happened in Tiananmen Square.

I believe you had already made up your mind and decided what the truth is.