rockypath

契弟，去仆街啦你。人地深叔連料都話埋俾你聽，你仲要徙人地時間、搞一大輪來餵到埋口等你食？

其實都明知 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-4-8 11:35

Doesn't he have a record of BS even worse than you?

話是他自己講的！唔通要我 backup his BS?

I am not defending CCP. I just asked you guys to make reasonably objective comments with reasonable evidences instead of 為了反共而反共，並對持不同意見的網友不惜用盡粗言穢語拼命打壓。 這與你們口中的中共手法有何不同？

rockypath

Keep barking as you wish, this is Canada, not China, you do not get
imprisoned for no valid excuse. ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-4-8 12:57

Does the reason why I am in Canada have anything to do with your BS true or not?

How stupid!

Why do you not have the gut to show the evidence? You clearly know it and so do I - that was your own BS.

rockypath

It is so easy to understand why you are here:
1. To advocate the supremacy of communism government
2 ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-4-8 15:40

Coward Some.

The reason why I am here should not be your concern and it has nothing to do with whether your BS true or not!

Why cannot you just be a man instead of a dog and admit that was only your own BS?

rockypath

why don't you share your research or what is the number you have in your mind for pp who died during those years?
raffaello 發表於 2011-4-8 11:20

Okay, I am sick and tired of dealing with those mad dogs and cowards.

Let’s get back to some sensible discussion.

There is no officially published record (at least not I am aware of) to show the exact numbers of people died in the Great Leap Forward (GLP) and the Cultural Revolution (CR). I don’t think the CCP has it either due to the chaos at the time and CCP would prefer to downplay the memory of that dark era.

Based on what I know and was told by local Chinese survived in both GLP and CR. The number of people died in GLP is on a much greater scale compare to the number of CR.

In my opinion, the number died in CR is 20% or less of the number in GLP (there is no scientific proof, but just the number I chose to believe). The number of people died in GLP is a bit easier to be estimated since most of people died due to famine and there are some records can be traced back. If you have no objection to the 20% that I proposed, you can take this number to multiply whatever number of people died in GLP you choose to believe in to estimate the number of people died due to CR.

For example, if you believe people died in GLP is 100 million, then the number for CR will be 20 million which agrees with the number of the M boy posted earlier.

On the other hand, if you believe what Somewhereintime’s number of 50 million died in CR, then you must to believe there were 250 million died in GLP which is about 40% of China population at the time.

Do you think what I say here is reasonable?

rockypath

以我了解文革史料，被整的五個死一個，是合理的。日夜遊街，剃頭批鬥，子女鬥父母，學生鬥老師校長，鬥的目 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 17:34

Didn't you already decide 20 million is the number first and find the reasons to make this number reasonable and practical later?

It is perfectly fine as long as you state that number is your estimation and the criteria you based on. I will have no objection to that unless I have questions on the methods you used to estimate or criteria you chose to consider.

rockypath

Didn't you already decide the number died in CR is 20% or less of the number in GLP first and find t ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 18:21

Based on your knowledge on great leap forward and cultural revolution, do you agree the number of people died in GLF is much greater than CR?
   
Based on your answer, you can decide whatever number you choose to believe in (20%, 50% or 150%, all up to you).

rockypath

第一，呢兩個係唔同既事件，死亡數字冇必然性既關連，由文革死亡數字或由大躍進死亡數字中係冇任何公式去求 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 20:16

Okay, if you do not like doing estimation, can we do a comparison of these two periods instead?

Just answer a very straight forward question – based on your knowledge of the Great Leap Forward (GLF) and the Cultural Revolution (CR), can you tell us in which period, the GLF or CR, there were more people died?

Don’t make the 20 million an issue. I believe in you and accept that is the truth. Now I just want to know in which period more people died. This has nothing to do with mathematic formula, hasn’t it?

I hope I will get a straight forward answer from you this time.

rockypath

You  can choose not to believe truth, it is not my problem.Who is avoiding the question here?
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-4-8 22:28

How funny.

Would a BS from your mouth with no evidence be called the TRUTH?

How stupid.

Show me the evidence (any, even if it is from FLG) to support your claim of 50 million people died in the cultural revolution.  (this should be the 10th time I asked for supporting evidence from you and you just once again decided to be a coward and dog again).

rockypath

我唔係好明點解你要用大距進飢荒死亡人數去做佐證？
1958﹣1960年非正式統計係餓死3000萬至4000萬，
咁同文 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-8 23:48

Can I ask you this question – if you look up articles or books either published in China or internationally, why is the estimated number of people died in the Great Leap Forward 10 ~ 30 times of people died in the Cultural Revolution? These ratios were consistently agreed by scholars and historians.

Do you agree on this conclusion (and the ratios) derived by scholars and historians? If you do not agree with those scholars and historians,  can you tell us the reasons why?

rockypath

show me the source.
and i can give you the reason i don't believe in their estimation.
GLP is an pla ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-4-9 00:24

Okay, look at the sources yourself and tell us your conclusion.

Even FLG agrees on the ratios (10 ~ 30) derived by both Chinese and international scholars and historians around the world.

Source #1:         Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Primary Megadeaths of the Twentieth (provided by Daimo)

http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

Source #2:                红太阳下的一份非正常死亡者名单 (provided by 法輪功)
大躍進期間：
“一九九一年，我曾经估算过中国大饥荒的非正常死亡人数，是两千四百七十万。最近，我又根据中国政府新公布的人口统计数字，重新作了计算，得出的结论是，中国在三年大饥荒中至少饿死了三千万人。”

文化大革命期間：
“以上谈的仅仅是文革中几个大事件的非正常死亡，概而论之，文革中非正常死亡人数至少在二百万，也许高达三百万。”

http://www.kanzhongguo.com/node/393598

P.S. I am just wondering why FLG was so stupid and did not state the number for people died in cultural revolution as ２千萬 instead of 三百萬 since 葉劍英 had admitted there were 20 million die. Or even 50 million if Somewhereintime can provide them any evidence they can refer to.