Ultraman

Why it is so difficult to understand why there are many people (non-believers) still not believing this Jesus God (Christinity)?
It's like to ask people to put a 7' tall crystal in purple  at home facing a window in the living room in the north-west direction, and then you'll be healthy and rich, no questions ask! How many people will truly believe and follow? Now is talking about Jesus the Christianity God, even 1000x times more abstract and 1000x times more incredible, also can't define/judge/understand by human logic and knowledge, plus many common bad examples around, how to convince people to believe?

Ultraman

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-6 13:44 發表
Wah ..  SB ..  u still have "AIR" to continue ??


Well . it is actually good to see more anti-God and anti-Christ ..

For 2000 plus yr ..  more  anti Christ/God .. more grow in christianility ..  ...

This is another bad example, I say... . Why do you think your peer should have no air to continue just because of you quited already? Would your Jesus have no air already? Why do you assume people are anti-God and anti-Christ? They admit that? But thanks for your true-man example, another bad example, immature Christian attitude.

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 13:57 發表
CP, air or not is one thing, but I kind of enjoy thinking about the issues as these people bring them up.  It helps me to gain more knowledge in God/Bible when I have to research for an answer.  Their ...

This is a much better attitude. This is how an open discussion should be. Don't all believers were non-believers before? Isn't it a very normal process for [non-believers] -> [question period] -> [become believers]? The question period could be short or long, mild or tough. But many believers/Christians tend to lack of patience.

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 15:39 發表
Ultra, I don't think that was a bad example.  CP was just trying to tell me to shut up and save air to warm my belly because these issues have been brought up too many times without any constructive r ...
The title of this thread is really provocative for a Christian by the way...

Yep, the thread title might be provocative for Christians POV, but it could also be a very good chance to answer non-believers questions and to build up more positive image.
People (non-believers) want to seek, believers/Christians can handle the chance in a positive or negative way. There are quite a bit non-believers just want to ask and seek for possible answers, they have no intention to challenge or against Christianity at all. But even there are strong "againsters", what should Christians (or so called "mature" Christians) react? Christians/believers can admit that they are "immature", not knowing well about the religion/bible/Jesus, have not enough patience or skill to answer all the questions (or "attacking" questions). But disappointingly (well, get used to already) most Christians use a over-defending mode.

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 17:27 發表


邊個同你講架?... 小弟六歲開始打麻雀, 打到廿幾歲先開始唔打乍.



邊個同你講架?... 小弟讀書既時期講好多粗口的, 出左黎做野就冇講了.

What you did/do can represent all Christians? Please reread my comment, I didn't and never say Christians will not do this and that. Actually yes, some do/did. However, it's just a minority. Go ask your church and your pastor, and also many other churches and Christians, how many of them think playing Mah Jong in Church is not a problem? How many of them think swearing is not a problem? Good to know you are one of the minority though.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 19:23 發表


... 打麻雀, 上落只不過係一百幾十, 算唔算greed?...
... 小弟間唔中(有多寶獎金)都會買六合彩(買$5), 算唔算greed?...

greed 唔greed, 自己知就得喇, 有人覺得我greed 就greed 啦, 有乜所謂丫. ...

Actually, yes, this is called and counted as greedy! (of course)
Remember? To steal one dollar is the same as to steal one million from your God's eyes. Same theory (not I said this but please refer to your bible), want to win one dollar is the same as want to win one million, it's still count as greedy.
Of course you can ignore what others comment you and you can keep living in your own world.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 19:17 發表

我係會用我既品格同行為去傳福音, 親身作天主既見證. 我都唔鍾意d 人拎住本"信望台"hard sell 的. 無啦啦講關帝 and 觀音仲乜?

Well, I wonder how come you're doing something against the bible (play mah jong and buy 649 and stuff, means you are somehow greedy) but at the same time you want to spread the gospel? How can you 親身作天主既見證? (I really don't want to challenge you like that, but the problem is you don't see your problem.)

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原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 19:07 發表

I think this depends on what is the driving force behind playing MJ or poker, etc...

For non-believer's sake it better not to play these kind of games in the public so that they don't get confused, but really MJ or poker is just a game like monopoly if you don't bet money on it.

The driving force for gambling is greed for most of the people.  There will be no casinos if you can't play real money.  If you say gambling gives you excitement that others can't, then you should donate the money you won to charity.

Yes, that's what I mean - the "drive" behind.
Why playing MJ in church is a problem while money is not involved? I've mentioned that already. Which I think church people/Christians should explain to others but not just avoid doing it.

Another real case, a Christian friend of mine won some money from lottery and wanted to donate it to his church, yet got refused to accept his "dirty money" (money from sort of gambling, not from a "right source").

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原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 21:15 發表


Playing MJ in church? are you kidding?

I'm not kidding. Why playing MJ in church is a problem? Mind to explain why from your POV?

Just lottery, please donate to my church then, it is always welcome. Do you want to have the bank account for donation?

Yes, you think it's not a problem. Did you ask your church pastor? I would like to hear what he/she will say.

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 21:27 發表

I don't think church would welcome you to do play MJ inside. But if you really do that, I don't think you would be arrested. The problem is we should respect others, I don't think it is a good idea of hold a mass in a temple.

I DID ask Father, he told me that if I treated it as an entertainment, it was okay. Don't ask me to have any written proof.  

If playing MJ is kind of an entertainment, why it is not allowed to play inside any church? Doesn't it conflicting?
Of course, to hold a Catholic mass in a Buddha temple might not be possible, and as you said it's not respecting other religion. However, I don't see MJ has any religious background at all, at most you can say it's a traditional Chinese game, then why it is not OK to play inside a church just for entertaining?