Ultraman

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-16 16:55 發表
Original sin is a complicated issue which I believe harmed a lot of people.

I urge all Christians to read ALL of this and decide for yourself.
http://www.gospeltruth.net/menbornsinners/mbsindex.htm

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Since your are a Christian and you should have the related background, just simply tell us what is the original sin?
Was it because Adam & Eve ate the forbidden apple, or because they had sex?

Ultraman

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-16 17:55 發表
By the way .. who said that is an " APPLE " ...    :

Good point. So let's use the term "fruit".

So, any further comment?

Ultraman

Let's "assume" (or accept) what bible said is true (for this example). God blew some air into the "doll" He made and named it as Adam, and so he was the first human with the "spirit" (that air blew into it's body by God) inside. So, Adam and Eve's offspring "automatically" have this "spirit" inside their bodies too. And therefore, it's very reasonable for us to believe that all spirits should be in the same form, no matter they become Christians or not.

Then, when people died, "Christian spirits" will go to heaven and "non-Christian spirits" will go to hell. But why those "Christian spirits" have no "feeling" at all in heaven, that means they don't feel hungry or thirsty, they don't need to eat and drink, no need to pee and poo, they don't need TV or PS3, no sex fantasy, no sickness and no pain, and not even recognize their lovers and families and friends..... ; while those "non-Christians spirits" have all kinds of "feelings" in hell, they can feel the heat of fire, suffer extreme pain from burning, feeling regret for not believing in God when they're still alive.... .?!

To compare heaven and hell, hell sounds not a nice and fun place to go. How about heaven? Well, honestly it's like a mental illness hospital, all the patients there can feel nothing else but only "happiness"?! (more like zombie) I just can't imagine how "happy" it would be.

Ultraman

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-17 00:41 發表
Let’s assume God exists and He created us and the universe. He is a spiritual being and we are just human beings. Therefore, God is a much greater being than us. Then there will be a practical proble ...

What the Bible tries to tell us is that human being in fact is a spiritual being. When we die, we leave the phisical body and we return to the spiritual form (please correct me if I am wrong). Therefore, we won't live in the same way as we live on earth. In  heaven, it will be a glorious and happy life since we will living with God. In hell, we will suffer and disconnect from God.

Yes, let's say God and heaven and hell and the "spirit" are something abstract and in much higher level and kind of mysteries that we human being can't really understand. Therefore, isn't it more sense making for we human tend to not believe something like this, something can't be described and understood in a more scientific and humanistic way? In a way, to question why people don't believe in God is pretty much like why people don't believe if they put a fish tank facing a particular direction in a particular room will make them rich.

Ultraman

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-17 03:54 發表


II don't have a good answer to your question. However, I can give you an example and it might help you and me to make some sense in situation like this.

I once watched a documentary and part of it ...

I know what you're trying to say, but.......
Quantum physic is a proven science/physic, that some/many people can fully understand and explain. Just depends on ones' academic level, it's like primary school kids can't understand university syllabus. However, not only non-believers but even Christians and pastors can't fully understand and explain Christianity/God/Jesus/bible, but the most ridiculous thing is they keep telling others how true and real it is, which is a lot less convincing and sense making to we human.

Ultraman

原帖由 Catpiano 於 2009-1-17 12:37 發表
Ha ha . you guys are funny ...

Good that I am older cake ..  if I am still teenage .. I will spend more time on this ..  

Believe or not ..  most the question you guys asked ..  answer is alre ...

Why you people like to question/challenge others whether they have read thru the whole bible or not? Did you read thru it yet? Did all other Christians read thru it before they decide to believe? Nonsense! OK, let's assume you and all other Christians have read thru the whole bible, then how come you guys can't answer our questions directly, but need to drive us around and ask us to read it ourselves? Even we read it thru, doesn't mean we can fully understand what the true meaning is, cuz just like you guys, you guys didn't fully understand it.

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-17 13:01 發表
烈士﹕

人地又使乜你信﹖乜你以為好多人想你信﹖

Shouldn't it an all Christians' duty to spread the gospel and to hope everyone believe in God? Should there a Christian doesn't care whether an "un-saved" non-believer would go to hell? Ah.... what a Christian!

Ultraman

All because of this kind of Christians, people got pissed off, but they still don't think it's their problem. Very good, my eyes are widely open again.

My new questions is, how to avoid meeting those people in hell? And I really don't want to go to heaven?

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-17 13:14 發表
ADMIN﹕

請問一個被人BAN過的人還能再被BAN嗎﹖

See! A Christian can be selfish, rude, not forgiving, lack of love... . Thanks for being an example.

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-17 15:52 發表

even you thought I was trying to preach here?

please read #1 for my entire purpose of this thread

(還是說清楚一點好了﹐開這帖子的原因﹐就是看見有些人在某帖﹐連定義都不知就亂拗﹐需知一個真正理性的辯論﹐係要先找出定義的。。。假如將基督徒所認知的天堂地獄﹐理解成一般人誤解的﹐(甚至連佛教都說地獄是恐怖的地方﹐有勾舌根等等﹐只有某些人以為地獄係好多美女任由他們胡天胡帝的地方唧  ) 係無法討論的。。。這就是開帖的真正的意思。。。再說一遍﹐我係 無意 向他們傳福音的﹐只是 B 仔好似真係想知﹐先比多少少資料她而已﹐沙喲拿那~~~ 大家再有任何問題﹐入教會找牧師問喇﹐我不是專家喔~~~  )

In case you forgot what you said in the beginning, here you go:
"很有興趣知道響 LYK 理解中的天堂地獄係咩黎﹖係點架呢﹖
而你又知唔知﹐基督徒所相信的所謂天堂﹐地獄又係D咩黎呢﹖"

So, you asked, then we lyk answer for what heaven and hell are according to our personal understanding. Isn't it what you asked for? So of course, what we think might not be the truth, and might vary with what you believe. It's just our ideas.

And, did you state out clearly what exactly heaven and hell should be according to your believe? Nope, you didn't.