Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-20 01:33 發表


religions teaches me to love everyone, I let me know that I should love others as I love myself.
If I were not close to God when I was a child, I might become a bad guy now...

如果個個學生都聽老師 ...

If you need a religion to support yourself and to love others, very fine.
If you don't need a religion and still can love other, very good.
Without any religion, people can still love others. But many religious people keep saying, one of the "benefits" of believing in God is people can go to heaven for a happy eternity life after death, and they keep "caring" (forcing) people to believe in this religion.
If whether heaven or hell is not that important, they can simply ask people to love others and no need to believe in God at all. Then why believing in God is so important?

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-20 05:12 發表



What about him? Be specific.  Did he ask people to kill?  Is he promoting hate toward homosexual?  By the way, I suppose homosexual to have the same rights in marriage as everyone else.

It's very logical to say people are doing things that they think it's right (or else they won't do it, or would try not to do it).
So, you think homosexual should have the same rights in marriage as everyone else, which you think this is a right thing to do. Am I correct?
However, that particular pastor against it, and he persuades all his church follows as well as other believers to stand on his side. What do you think?

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-20 11:46 發表


Are you and Chunsh ignoring the point that Lancer is asking believers to be executed?

You didn't ask me that question. But I asked you directly, you ignored me face to face.

Answer me first, and then ask me again politely, I'll answer you back.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-20 12:12 發表



Alright, although it's abit childish, but lets play it your way.  I think homosexual relationship should be treated with the same right as heterosexual.  However, I also think everyone has their ri ...

Very good. However, I wonder why a polite and respectful Q & A is childish? Maybe the teaching from my kindergarten was different from yours.

Anyways, back to the discussion.
According to my moral standard, to kill anyone is not right. Unless it's a series murderer who has been killing tons of lives, I think this person should be sentenced to death, that's a different story not general case.
But according to one's personal feeling, it's OK to think of killing someone he/she hate very much. It's like to express the feeling of anger or excess dissatisfaction. It's like saying/venting "Hey, I hate you, I wanna kill you...!", but actually nobody is being killed, this is not a problem. But of course, by thinking/saying this kind of statement might be risky, either he/she can't control his/her excess anger and then really go kill someone, or someone may sue him/her for threatening.

Now back to your answer. You only answered me what your own POV is, but you forgot to comment on that particular pastor, whether his act is right or wrong. (just a direct answer, right or wrong?)

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-20 13:03 發表



Childish because you are not willing to answer a question unless someone answer yours first.  But forget about that.  

There is no right or wrong answer to your question.  To answer it again but in a different I felt that the pastor has the right to lobby (so the basic answer is yes), but his direction is against what I believe in, so I wouldn't support what he's doing.  I might even protest against him.

How about yourself? You only answered my question with your POV. Are you ignoring the fact that Lancer wants to execute believers? Just answer directly, Yes or No.

I somehow agree with you, except I don't think the pastor has the right to lobby wrong (偏激) concept.

Was my POV not clear enough? OK, what I mean is, I personally don't think to kill someone is right (unless in some conditions such as the one I mentioned). In other words, I think it is not right if Lancer is actually going to kill someone. However, he's just saying without action (yet), that's not a problem (he may need to bear the risk I mentioned too).

BTW, you think it is childish because I am not willing to answer a question unless someone answer mine first. (well, actually it's like any usual manner, I asked a question first and you asked after, shouldn't you answer mine first and I answer you next?)
But I think it is stupid and not following the regular game rule the other way round.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-21 03:16 發表


Correction me if I'm wrong, in other words, you're saying it's not okay to physically harm a specific group of people, but it's okay to spread hatred against them.

If you don't mind, let me tell you your assumption is not correct.
Right, it's not OK to physically harm someone (my POV). But also yes, it's OK to "EXPRESS" one's feeling that he/she dislike/hate certain things/people. For example, "Oh, I think this restaurant's food is tasteless.", I just want to tell others how I feel, I have no intention to persuade or force others not to eat over there. People can have their own taste and choice. So, your word "SPREAD" was not appropriate.

Btw, I asked a question first and you interrupted with yours.

1. Yes, you asked someone a question, but he/she didn't answer you yet.
2. Then I asked you a question, I looked for your reply.
I have nothing to do with you for case 1, cuz I was not the one whom you were expecting to answer. This was totally not my business.
However, I initiated a question between you and me, and you were the one I talked to directly, which nothing related to case 1.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-21 03:42 發表


Do you mean to be talking about yourself? 一代烈士.  Or should I call you Lancer?  How about giving us your real name.  Care to post your e-mail address here?  Gutless?

Mind to post your e-mail address here first? Mr. Gut?

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-21 03:55 發表


Of course I do mind.  I'm not the one who said this "呢D人就算上網都怕用自己account去攻擊人,咁既廢人, 理都徙氣啦"

Men have real guts may dare to post their actual personal information here (the internet world). No matter who initiates this issue first.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-21 04:11 發表


And I never said I have gut.  Do you have gut to post your e-mail address?

I have gut and wisdom. Not posting my personal data here not because of I have no gut, but because I don't want my real life to be disturbed.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-21 05:16 發表


okay, afraid of getting your real life disturbed.  You call that wisdom, I call that gutless.  All just different POV.

Thanks for being so frank and let us know you are gutless.