Ultraman

"很多人买狗或者养狗的目的只是因为空虚寂寞，多数人只当他们是伴侣，甚至玩具，并不是每个人对狗有特别的感觉。"
That's why puppy mills have so much markets, but doesn't mean it's a good thing.

"我们做pet store的也有名你叫，pet store，我们给人们提供他们需要的，pet store不是family也不是breeder..."
Should people open "family member store" instead of "pet store" to emphasize they sell "family members", in which they are cats and dogs and hamsters and fishes etc?
If people feel bored, they can play TV games or watch AV whatever, why buy living animals but treat them bad?
Those puppy mills, all they want is to grab money, they don't care what moral is. Same as prostitution, no moral is concerned, it's just a business so it's OK too?

Ultraman

then you should ask those people or go to do some survey on the street instead of sitting in fron ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-17 10:50

Actually I'm challenging your concept.
If people want to buy live animal as toys, you think it's OK (or more than OK) to sell. If people want to have sex, you also think it's OK to sell sex. No moral is needed to concern in both cases cuz they're all just business, just a money trade?!

Ultraman

回復  Ultraman


   Selling/Buying sex is considered immoral in the first place (because of traditional values, or culture belief...etc...)
Selling/Buying dog is not immoral wor...just how the seller (or breeder in this case) treat the dog could be a problem...
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-17 10:58

Well, depends on which perspective of "moral" we look at.
In a prostitution trade, "customers" "buy" sex in return to pay cash, the "sellers" receive cash and give out the "products". Both parties are willing to do the trade and agree on the deal. It's fair trade, nobody is being "hurt". However, as you said, it's the custom and culture that make people think/feel it's immoral.

Let me ask, in dogs trade, is puppy mill "moral" or "immoral"? Should sellers treat the dogs as a money-gaining-tool (a non-living form) or a living animal? Should buyers treat the dogs as "toy" (a non-living form) or a "pet" (not necessary to be a family member but at least a living animal)?

Ultraman

The question becomes more interesting now.
Yeah, some people might think puppy mill is not 虐待动物 but to some people think it already is. (too bad the animal can't talk)
One said being a prostitute is more moral than a housewife sitting at home doing nothing.

I'm not going to spread that comparison to a worse discussion.
But what I want to comment is, which is only my personal opinion:
- I think puppy mill is immoral and inhumane.

Ultraman

而如果你说不准pet store卖狗，那原本靠卖狗来生存的一些pet store就关闭，然后你家楼下可能就少了一间pet  store，同时也带来给人们购买其他物品的不便，你想帮你家的狗做次grooming什么的要跑老大远你嫌麻烦不？
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-17 18:07

It's you shouldn't yell in front of the computer this time, go talk to the government. Only me can't change the world like that.

Ultraman

holy fuxk, 我觉得你阅读能力有问题，不想再同你讲野
我说我是中介我没有虐待动物不是说puppy mill没有虐 ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-17 18:15

Excuse me! I didn't point at you in person, I'm just saying puppy mill in general. You don't need to get angry and take the seat like with a matching number ticket on hand.