Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 02:46 發表

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of  ...

Looks like you don't understand the difference between:
1) Not assuming
vs
2) Assuming Christian in general don't have any of these 8 things

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 07:40 發表
Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not per ...

Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind into thinking your own view do respresent the mass, regardless of facts.

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-10 23:00 發表

I wonder if you know the meaning of stereotyping? Stereotyping means all of a kind, which I changed to most of a kind already, means not stereotyping.

Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Mos ...

Stereotype is simply a generalization opinion of a group of people.  Whether it's "all" or "most", it's still generalizing them.

I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.

For me, I think it's okay to talk about the bad things, but don't stereotype, talk about it case by case.

Austin

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-10 20:30 發表


really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin

I didn't respond to those comment has nothing to do with whether stereotype is acceptable or not.  I don't read all post you know.  

I can tell you now, it's still unacceptable.

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 08:57 發表

How about I say "All cats like to eat fish" and "Most dogs will obey/listen to their owners"? Am I still stereotyping? Only because you people think those 8 things are not really existing at all. Or  ...

Yes, that is still stereotyping.  My cats don't like to eat fish.  And I know many dogs don't obey to their owner.  So what make your opinion the "truth" and mine is not?

Look here, I am not denying those things and those Christians exist.  Of course they do, but to say most Christians are that way is irresponsible.  There are over 8 million Protestants in Canada alone, so how many you've come across to come to the conclusion that most Christians are how you described.

And let me make it clear to you, I'm not a Christian.  I'm just sick of those anti-christians finding any and every way to attack people.  Just like I'm sick of those anti-gay or racist attacks.

If you want to post your experience, that's fine, to stereotype a group of people is wrong.

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 09:25 發表
As BG mentioned, why there are some of these 8 characters have a lot less votes than others if people are stereotyping? Why the lowest has just 1 vote but the highest could up to 17 (up to now)? Peopl ...

Because voters are probably voting based on their feeling of that group of people, not necessaily having ATTACK in mind.  

The funny thing is, if like some people believe, that LYK are mostly Christians, and if Christians can't accept "the truth", then how come the highest vote isn't "none of the above"?

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-11 23:00 發表

This is kind of silly and childish argument.
For example, I say: "usually human have two eyes and one nose." And you say I'm stereotyping, cuz there are babies only have one eye and no  nose in born. ...

It seems like you don't understand the different between facts and opinion.

Let me make it easy for you then.

A person now posted these messages:
1) Blonde are stupid
2) Most blonde are stupid
3) 8 stupid things that blonde are doing
4) People who don't think blondes are stupid just not willing to face the truth

Is this person stereotyping? you decide.

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 00:19 發表
My knowledge and understanding of the meaning of the use of some adjectives are as below:

- almost all
example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the  ...

example: There are 10 apples on my table, 9 in red, and 1 in green.
I would say "Almost all the apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping because it is a fact.  You can count what's on the YOUR table

example: There are 10 apples on my table, 6 in red, and 4 in green.
I would say "Most apples on my table are in red".
Question: Am I stereotyping?
Answer: No, you are not stereotyping because it is a fact.  You can count what's on the YOUR table

And my example: There are 10 apples on your table, 9 are red and 4 are green
You would say "Most apples on people's table are red"
Question: Are you stereotyping?
Answer: Yes! Because you don't know what's on other people's table.  You are generalizing all tables are exactly like yours.

Another example: There is a box of red and green apples, you see on top they are mostly red
You would say "Most apples in this box are red"
Question: Are you stereotyping?
Answer: Yes! You're generalizing based on what you can see, and not based on the actual count. The apples you can't see at the bottom could be all green.

Austin

原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-12 09:55 發表


in matter of speaking, I will use your example, and please 唔好又有一個走出來話唔知我講mud
no one here said "most blonde are stupid", but we, at least I said, every sterotype must not come from no w ...

So you agree it's stereotyping, good for you.

Lets keep using the "blondes are stupid" example.  Relating what you said, so the blondes are stupid stereotype must not come from no where.  Everywhere this person goes he sees "dumb blondes" and hear dumb blonde jokes.  So it must be true that blondes are dumb (again, not my opinion but only as example).

Austin

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-12 11:45 發表

Yes, both of us try to make solid and valid examples that are "countable".

However, how to describe some/many cases that are very general and popular in some/many people's mind? Such as, can people ...

So based on what you said, people who would say that it's stereotyping to say "blondes are stupid" is just making things more complicated and turning nothing to problems.