Nam

what's wrong with us typing Chinese on a Chinese forum?
It's not like we don't have a life that we just "hide" on this forum and doing nothing.

I'm pretty sure most LYK will speak English to other race when they need to.

What's wrong with speaking our mother tongue.  
I remember a white lady telling me that you should not be shame on  your ascent.
In fact, you should be proud of it because it shows where you come from.

As long as we respect others, and don't speak Chinese when there are other race around.  I think it's normal wor.

I don't understand why people feel so offended when people speak their own language in public.

I used to work for an Israel company.  The staff from Israel or consultant from India, they speak their language in front of me when they were in intense discussion about technical problem.   I didn't mind and I know it will be easier for them to discuss the issue with their fluent language.   Like why feel offended? Do you have something bad that people need to talk about you?

But of course, I will switch channel when there are other race around me..

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 19:24 發表



I think this guy says it best:

If you Dont Like It Go Home You Asked to come here we did not ask you.

http://www.loyaukee.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=6315

Sometimes, Toppy.  I really get lost with your point.
You started post that Canada is a place of racism.  
I assumed that you are a Chinese, then why you are discriminating us typing Chinese here.


And please don't use larger font because that does not make you better.
That's very rude.

Especially, I'm not offending you as well.
I'm just pointing out my POV in a very calm mood.

OK, white guy said so.  OK, there are discrimination within white guy.
Is it all white guys are like that? I highly doubt it. At least, fro my experience, not all Caucasian are like that. In fact, some of them are very interested in Chinese culture.  Back when I was in a small town, an elderly gentleman always ask my friend to burn him Chinese Pop music.  And try to learn how to speak Cantonese from her parents.

When I was working in a large logistic company in downtown, a Caucasian wrote something in e-mail by "mistake" to my Chinese co-worker.

Yellow Dog,

Is the cargo ready for pickup?

My Caucasian co-worker got so upset about this e-mail and her face was red.
She rushed into the CS Manager room and told him (He is an Indian) that he has to take immediate action about this e-mail. The whole office was very upset by this incident and our office was mixture of all sort of races.  European, HK, TW, Indian, Japanese, UK, French, Indonesia.  I'm not sure what sort of Caucasian you have been dealing with for the past years.  I'm fully aware there are racists out there but there are also Caucasian that respect different culture.  My General Manager who was also a Caucasian apologized to my Chinese co-worker and he should never tolerant such thing happen to his staff.

We google it, and she is lucky that there is actually a trucking company call Yellow Dog.

By saying that, I'm not denying there is no discrimination exist.
Come on, we, Chinese are somehow discriminating others by calling people "ar chai" or "gwai lo" too.

Just don't be so negative.

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:27 發表



What about the homegrown Canadian Chinese who don't read/speak Chinese?

I have friends that are homegrown Canadian Chinese that who don't speak/read Chinese.
They don't have hard feeling that we speak Cantonese to each other.
And if he/she is around, I will speak English so that he/she is not left out.

If there are people on LYK who is homegrown Canadian Chinese who don't speak/read Chinese, as soon as he/she mention that.  I'm pretty sure LYKs here wouldn't mind translate or change channel.

I don't see a big deal about it.

Nam

Sometimes, it is your manner or tone that people would respect you.

As long as you are easy going, respect others, I don't see why people have to target you just because you are a Chinese.

If discrimination is really that wide spread and ALL Caucasian are racist, why is the senior staff in my department always smile at me.  And tell others or tell me that I'm very bright and smart?  Why is she always ask me to join the life/wellness classes with her and make sure that we can go together on the same day? She could have just tell others that I'm not capable.  She could have hide my talents and promote the other Caucasian girl in my department.

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:39 發表



First of all, nam, I don't discriminate people typing Chinese.  Some loyaukee on my criminal list made fun of me for not typing Chinese.  I have no problem with anyone using Chinese here.

Nam, I a ...

I'm sure most LYKs are not stupid.
They are aware there are discrimination out there.

It's just, we don't focus on the term "discrimination" every minute.

Reporting discrimination news is fine, but keep reporting it make people sick, you know.

If you are not negative, then you must be hyper or excited about the discrimination cases.
Since I only seen you posting topics regarding racism and also always post with bold font.

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:46 發表




Nam, I don't know your company so I can't comment on your personal experience.

BTW, I never said ALL Caucasian are racist.  I am sorry you feel this way.  

But how come you don't feel All Caucas ...

I'm not saying ALL Positive experiences, and I believe ALL white people are good.
It just I won't focus with it.  AND if they are pushing the edge, I won't WHINE on internet.
I will take action.

It's not like I never file a formal discrimination complaint to HR before.
If people pushing the edge, I won't use violence or whine to solve it.

Chinese are not "the Chinese" that some racist bastards think we are.
While we respect our culture different, doesn't mean that we won't fight back if we need to.

Nam

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-2-10 20:52 發表
As a Chinese-Canadian/Canadian-Chinese, I feel proud to be bilingual. (and actually it's a credit/benefit to live in a multi cultural country)
Of course, it's very reasonable and to show respect to pe ...

Second that.

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 20:39 發表



First of all, nam, I don't discriminate people typing Chinese.  Some loyaukee on my criminal list made fun of me for not typing Chinese.  I have no problem with anyone using Chinese here.

Nam, I a ...

And why do I have to go talk to them?
I don't really get it....

And I don't understand why there is something called "criminal list"...
Are these people are the "most wanted" from RCMP?
If yes, let me know.  I will walk to the RCMP building tomorrow morning, and turn them in.

Nam

Why do I have to whine it in Chinese here?
It seems like you are the one who whining here wor....

I took my action and I don't think I'm brave.
I just know we have the same right as others as long as I hold my Canadian Passport.

I respect others and you can go ahead and believe what you see.
And I believe what I see.

If you want to have example, an example for you la gum.
a year ago, I went to Wendy's with my bf at night.
We stood there for couple minutes and nobody serve us.
Perhaps, we dress like we are a Chinese or honger teenager?
or the term "fob"?

As soon as someone finally help us, we asked them if we could change it to bake potato instead of fries. The asian girl was very shy and asked a more senior staff, which is  a Caucasian.  When the meal came, I asked the girl how come you gave me fries.  The b**tchy Caucasian yell at the little girl and said "then give them a potato".  I was not impress by the services that I received.  I went back to my seat and asked the janitor if they have a complaint form that I can fill up.   

After I filled up my form, I brought the whole tray back to the counter and I told the Caucasian girl that I need to see her manager.  And that B*tch still thinks it's funny, and scream back in the kitchen " xxxx, we are in trouble!".    Then, the assitant manager asked me what's wrong with the food.  I told her that it's nothing wrong with the food, and I don' t need a refund.  I told her that I wrote down my complaint on the complaint form.  And the manager read my form loud in the public and try to make me embarrassed.

I just left the restaurant without wasting my time to argue with them.
Instead, as soon as we went back home.  We wrote a long formal complaint letter to their Western District Manager.   The next day, the District Manager replied right the way and asked if my bf can leave him the phone# so that he can apologized to my bf.

End up, the district manager made his formal apology to us and sent us 3 free coupon with his signatures on it.   We went back to the same Wendy for drive through and show our coupon to the cashier when the cashier asked for payment.
It is something that she never seen before and she asked that manager again.  
As soon as the manager see that card, she wasn't even dare to look at us and quickly finish the transaction

Moral of the story? I'm not showing off how I fight back.  I'm just trying to tell you that, instead of whining or use your term "reporting" these incidents.  Why don't you step up and speak up for yourself?  "reporting" these incidents on internet will not help the situation.

Nam

原帖由 Toppy 於 2009-2-10 21:54 發表



Well, why don't you go home back to China or HK then?  Why are you here?

They said, "If you Dont Like It Go Home You Asked to come here we did not ask you."


You can feel proud about whatever ... ...

Why do I have to go back HK or China if I'm proud of who I am.
Bare in mind that this country based on immigrant.

Even your so called "white people" are immigrant.  Only native people have the right to say "why don't you go back to your country or why are you here?"

Toppy,

I really don't understand your point.
I'm just sharing my 2 cents here.
If you don't agree with it, that's fine.

It sounds like as soon as I tell you something against your POV.
You tell me to go back to HK or China.

What's your point?
Your point is you love Canada so much?
Or your point is you hate Canada so much?
I'm lost here...

Or your point is, if I agree with you 100%, then I'm allow to stay in Canada?

I'm in Canada because my parents made the decision for me.
I'm in Canada because I have a job and I spent 10+ years in Canada.
I'm in Canada because my family is here.
I'm in Canada because I don't whine about racism every second and I'm happy with my personal life.