Lik

well, every motive is inherently out of self-interest

since the red shirts have nothing to do with people here, it's kind of expected

but why would people care about speed trains in HK? it's not like people here will either ride it or pay for it.
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-12 10:29

Certainly your "out of self-interest" comment is true. Had LYK been a ethnic Thai's in Canada forum, the uproar would be huge.

That is not to say that the deaths were any less tragic. Unfortunately, there are too many demands in life that drains all of our time and energy. So when the ties are not nearly as close, we don't feel nearly as moved by the event, tragic as it may be.

The uproar with the HK high speed train is that many of us still maintain close ties with Hong Kong, be it relational (with people), cultural, or emotional. Because of these close ties, we feel ripped off ourselves when HK citizens are getting ripped off.

Certainly someone as intelligent as you are would know this?

-Lik

Lik

LOL~

I certainly have every reason to be jealous of Hong Kong's highspeed railway when every citizen has to pay HKD$10k for it as the cost of construction. In fact, I am extremely jealous of the superbly high quality of life that HK citizens currently enjoy, under the brilliant leadership of Bowtie Donald Tsang and his cronies~

星人安居 港人蝸居 政府屋惠八成國民 面積大港一倍 呎價1/3

-Lik

Lik

俾你而家有層樓
同你講聽日起身貶值3成
你制唔制

嘈果班都係無產階級
Nothing to lose
不過佢地仲好錫身
唔會捨得好似紅衫一樣拎條命黎博既
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-12 23:22

Your hypothetical question is completely meaningless and worthless. Given the land auctioning policies and the amount of influence land developers have in Hong Kong, real estate prices are not going to come down significantly any time soon. Additionally, as long as the Mainland's economy continues to grow (and Grandfather will do everything it can to make sure of that), hot money will continue to flow out of China to prop up the high end and mid-level (real estate) market in Hong Kong. The trickle down effect will then spread out to keep the whole real estate market afloat. And even if public housing is re-introduced, it'll take years before they can affect the market at large.

Now, if the World, US, or China suffers another major crisis of any form, then of course it's a different story.

-Lik

Lik

TThen I suppose the discussion on highspeed train was also completely meaningless and worthless, since it was already a done deal.

The issue is how the younger generation in HK these days simply look for free rides, rather than strive hard and try to become leaders.
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-4-13 09:26

From day 1, it was well understood by everyone that the protest and rallies against the HK high speed train project would only have the slimmest chance of succeeding. Legislatively, the SAR government and the Establishment side already has enough votes to pass the financial approval. The only piece of arsenal the public has on their side was public pressure and anger that carries a small chance of forcing the SAR government to do the right thing.

It was exactly the same in the July 1 marches in 2003 and 2004. Prior to the demonstrations, the public had little hope that their protest could produce any concrete results, but at the time, contrary to everyone's expectations, it did.

Even though the protests failed to put a stop to the high speed train project, the movement was successful in the sense that it vividly pointed out how shameless and deplorable the SAR government was, and more importantly, how despicable the functional constituency is. Aware for the widespread and structural injustice in Hong Kong has been raised and brought to the forefront. That alone is a small victory since it plants the seeds for further social activism and awareness, especially among the younger crowd.

-Lik

Lik

You moron, it is the US grandfather that is doing whatever it can, like printing money and borrowing money, to prop up its crumbling economy.
The real estate here in Vancouver is even more expensive than in Hong Kong. The government here does nothing to help the ordinary people. You need to pay high taxes and now the HST.
peter236 發表於 2010-4-13 11:09

LOL~

The US gov does as much to print the greenbacks as the PRC does to prevent the rise of the RMB. Both countries are doing this to prop up their economy, so what's the difference? And if there is no difference, then what's your point?

Have you even checked what the current real estate prices are these days? The average price paid for a home in BC is Cdn$517k, but it is safe to say that at that price, the provincial average size of that home is probably 2000+ sq-ft. Even in Metro Vancouver, $517k can probably get you something in the 1300 to 1500 sq-ft range. How big a place can HKD$4M (that's Cdn$517) buy in Hong Kong? 800 sq-ft?

The government does nothing to help ordinary people? When I was checking yesterday, the provincial government just announced a major infusion of cash into the hospitals to reduce wait times. And what have your PRC government done? Arrest activists that fight for poisonous baby formula cases?

-Lik

Lik

What does the riot has to do with building highspeed railway?
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-13 13:10

You'd have to ask our Peter boy about that.

-Lik