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Several governments have declined invitations to attend Friday's ceremony to award imprisoned Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo the Nobel Peace Prize.



http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/20 ... -prize-boycott.html  


Wow ..  China ...  big Power!

somewhereintime

回復 65# BiscottiGelato


   A government will get rotten if  it is given infinite power and
   they can stay on power as long as they wish.
   Surely it is useless for anyone, within or outside China to have
   different opinion against CCP. It is based on the conscience to point out mistake   and hope they wound learn, even not willing to correct.
   Why most people were so scare to provoke the CCP? and put forth all their
   faith that the CCP would  remorse and  care about the well being of average
   citizen. Well, keep dreaming.
   The CCP is going to expand, and rotten, until it burst. Why the high officials
    send their  children oversea and obtain foreign passports, stash  billions of US
    in Swiss bank account?  they have no confident in their country and try to exile
    rich once they  extract  enough money from their position.
    I  admire Dr. Sun's foresight  to establish an auditor council  to  monitor all the
    government's manouvres.

     姑息養奸

BiscottiGelato

Please don't tell me that it is all the Western's propagandas,
I study much more articles from HK th ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-11 14:26

I never said it's Western Propaganda every time. I'm just saying this is clearly Western propaganda this time.

The Western world tho, do dish out more propaganda than you'd think. And it seems they are doing it more and more often as China's influence grows.

BiscottiGelato

"Suckers" is a common term I use often at work,
even in the public and no one seem to feel offense. ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-11 14:24

Why do you ask me? CCP is a piece of sh_t, violate their own laws, break their own promises. I totally agree. This is because they are a centralized power that does not need to answer to their people. I'd say tho that if you are in the same position of power, u'd do exactly the same. One'd wish that they will change for the better. But it's unrealistic to expect them to change over night. And no one man's power can do this change either. The change will take time. It's just a waste of breath to expect the impossible.

somewhereintime

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we learn it from Chinese history

somewhereintime

Please don't tell me that it is all the Western's propagandas,
I study much more articles from HK than those from the USA,
my comment:

the spirit of Mao still haunting China,
for years to come.

somewhereintime

"Suckers" is a common term I use often at work,
even in the public and no one seem to feel offense.
It simply means people obsessed  with certain idea, merchandises alike.  
I'm not involved in politics, have nothing to do with China whatsoever.
I pour out my heart content  and give morale support to Liu,
as a person deeply immersed in Chinese civilization.
There is no recorded incident in the 5000 years human  history,
that a single regime  killed so many its own citizen  in its first 20 years
in powers, much more than the Jap and KMT combined; and millionsof  loyal communists  executed by their comrades.
And can you answer my question: is it true that the CCP keep breaking its
own promises? violating its own law?
How can you expect other to abide the law if you trash it yourself?

BiscottiGelato

I do not blindly follow the western media,
I refer to the general opinion of the  average HKers,
My  ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-12-10 23:24

I don't really care about what the popular opinion is, in HK in China with-in CCP within the Western media, I don't give a crap. I only care about opinion pieces that is based on fact, makes sense and shed me insight. Try to formulate your own opinion based on fact, not what your friends, relatives or the HK scholars are thinking.

Obviously CCP is not the greatest thing around. But they are there and they are there to stay. They are a centralized power and centralized power have even more power to preserve the status quo. It's time to be realistic and know what can be expected of them and what kind of change can be realistically instigated.

I agree the fiasco they are doing doesn't buy anyone any votes. Putting LXB's wife under house arrest really doesn't do anyone good but buy them further unpopular sentiments. I tho understand why they want to go into great length to censor LXB's NPP, as they really don't want people to associate separatism ideology to anything glorious. If any civil liberty is being stomped on, I don't think they give a crap and any screaming and yelling on LYK is just a waste a breath. It isn't the first time and won't be the last time and there's nth that anyone can do about it. (they can't even do much for the 36 baby formula guy. You want something to be done about a political dissident and his wife?)

You'd like to think that government officials from the President down to your average law enforcement officers are just public servants, and they are no more superior to the regular Joe. I'd like to think so too, in fact I like to think of them as my subordinate cuz I pay a ton of their salary. Unfortunately the thinking is not reciprocated. They definitely don't think that way at all. In fact, they do actually have a lot more power as afforded by the bureaucracy. This is the case for all Western 'civilized' society. More so for a non-democratic society like China. Expecting so is just kidding yourself.

Calling people names like 'suckers' degrade you to the like of Lik... Please don't do that cuz it washes your credibility down the drain. Thanks.

somewhereintime

Sounds like from Xinhua News agency's standard script.
I  cannot speak for others, but I never  say anything to defend the Western's wrongdoing
in history and present. Just focus on what is happening in China,
it is so sad that the CCP is so insecured and naive,
so fear of its own people.

BiscottiGelato

China supporters always use this as their excuse to cut China some slack on their human rights disa ...
Lik 發表於 2010-12-10 22:44

The international expectation is double standard. They suppressed China for 100+ years and they expect China to be measured by the same ruler as western societies are? What hypocrite.

Obviously I'd love that the entire China have the living standard of Norway. To up hold Civil Liberty with the highest regard (even US/Canada can't do that based on all those police power trips). To expect so and criticize based on that is simply dreaming. Any person or persons in power will always try to preserve the status quo. Just like US in going after Julian Assange. China is all the same. And with their political system it will take it even longer for change to occur unless there's an economic, political or social collapse. I am not trying to buy China any excuses. I am merely being realistic. The reality is China as a whole is moving towards the right way, but at a snail pace. Western society is on a decline and trying to stop China at all costs, including using all sorts of nasty propaganda. Shame on the hypocrites.