Lik

I've been too busy to post this (and a few other related news articles) myself, so thank you for bringing this up.

Also, I want to emphasize the government's official insistence to deny that the 豆腐渣工程 has resulted in the collapse of the buildings (and schools in particular). Their official "story" insisted that the magnitude of the earthquake caused the buildings to collapse, so the deaths were the result of an act of nature. Had the deaths been the result of the 豆腐渣工程, somebody would have to bear the responsibility.

If you haven't been watching the news, here is some reporting from TVB News on the issue:
http://mytv.tvb.com/news/newsroundup/24123/24130

I eagerly await what our 5 cents Peter boy has to say about this.

-Lik

Lik

Yes, of course. And that is precisely why the Central Government is trying hard to keep a lid on this. To dig deeper would only reveal the extensive level of corruption that is going on at the local (or higher) government levels, and of course we know that in the eyes of the Central Government, this government embarrassment would disrupt "harmony".

-Lik

p.s. Harmony my a$$, man... there is no harmony when everyone knows it's all fake.

Lik

因為我信佢地會汲取教訓, 錯而能改.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-5-7 19:53

Oh man... keep dreaming your pipe dream, and keep smoking whatever you were smoking before la, MJJ. To quote our infamous Emperor Jiang, you are just "too simple, sometimes naive"

-Lik

Lik

Clearly, some officials are responsible for those tofu schools. When those schools were built, someone had to be responsible for approving those building permits. Now the provincial government is just covering up who was responsible for approving those schools.peter236 發表於 2009-5-8 00:23

So you recognize that 豆腐渣工程 exist as well? Given that they do exist, why does the central and provincial government continue to deny that it was the very reason that caused the massive number of deaths, especially at local schools and such? And why are no government officials and construction companies punished as a result?

Compare this to the melamine milk scandal, this 豆腐渣工程 incident was handled even more poorly. In the melamine milk scandal, the Mung Au CEO was sent to "life imprisonment" (with rumours claiming that her "imprisonment" doesn't really amount to much of an imprisonment at all). Officials were disciplined and fired from their existing positions, only to be discovered later that there were merely restored in office somewhere else. But with the 豆腐渣工程, the Central Government continues to try covering it up however they can. Let me ask you directly -- how is this acceptable?!

-Lik

Lik

http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/9/1/1/1123699/1.html

劉冰的11歲兒子劉子宇在地震中遇難，劉子宇生前就讀的德陽市綿竹五福鎮富新二小是全鎮倒塌的唯一建築，全校共有127名師生遇難。百多名家長曾經多次上書、遊行、示威，要求徹查事件，但當地政府解釋校舍倒塌的原因是「地震烈度太大」所致。
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劉冰、張駿共5人昨日到國家信訪局遞信，但他們前日乘火車到達北京後不久就被尾隨而來的綿竹截訪人員找到，之後全程陪同。據了解，劉冰等人並非首批進京上訪的遇難學生家長，但之前曾進京者在四川已被嚴密監控，他們都是第一次上京，故能逃過監控、成功抵達北京，但最後仍被找到。以記者所見，共有2名截訪人員，一直保持在家長們的10米距離內，不時用攝錄機錄下他們的行動。

older news from May 5, 2009
http://www.mingpaonews.com/20090505/caa2.htm

有民間統計顯示，死傷最多的北川中學有超過1000名師生遇難，聚源中學約200多人，富新二小則有127人，互聯網上亦不斷可見有人蒐集整理死者名單，但被當局發現後即遭刪除。而北川官員在被記者問及此事時又總是支吾以對，至今並無明確數據。

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090506/4/c1pw.html

四川省司法廳廳長劉作明在接受訪問時稱，省政法部門對「自然災害中公共建築能否免於質量追究」問題，在法律上做了大量調查。「除了高強度地震不可抗力外，大規模校舍垮塌的問題出在建築設防標準，規範存在不足，不是哪個人的責任。」

報道稱，四川省去年5月底曾發出一份文件，指都江堰、什邡、綿竹和平武4城市有15所學校垮塌最為嚴重，而什邡市就佔了6所。但政法部門的調研報告認為，建築物倒塌和人命傷亡，主要屬「天災」而非「人禍」。

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090506/4/c1qi.html

有四川網民稱，「如果沒有這樣的好廳長，又怎揦能在災後重建中繼續出現豆腐渣，這樣的廳長應該下台。」也有四川網民稱，「我家鄉的房屋，主樑都沒鋼筋，我看防五級地震都不錯了！」有河北網民稱，「他家的孩子死了嗎？他有感觸嗎？難道沒鋼筋的教學樓也是由於設計不規範嗎？」

新浪網曾進行「你如何看待震後不該追究建築質量問題的說法」網上調查。在下午2時許，已有逾3萬網民投票，當時有91%網民反對有關言論。不過，至3時許，網上的該民調已被刪除。

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090507/4/c25r.html

四川省建設廳廳長楊洪波說，經過調查、核實，目前沒發現因建築品質問題造成房屋在地震中垮塌的案例。

The writing is all over the wall. Tell me what kind of government this is?!?!

-Lik

Lik

This one pisses me off the most:

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090507/4/c2gu.html

四川作家譚作人的民間調查，暫時核實遇難及失蹤師生5781人，其中53%因為豆腐渣校舍倒塌被活埋；著名藝術家艾未未發動的公民調查則核實7605學生遇難，官方與民間的調查結果完全相反，大批遇難學生家長不滿官方隱瞞真相。但譚作人於1個多月前涉嫌「顛覆國家政權罪」被捕，至今仍無音信。
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四川地震後，中央政府雖多次表示要認真追查學校建築中的豆腐渣問題，「從嚴查處，絕不姑息」...
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畢業於華西醫科大學的作家譚作人，除了是知名的環保工作者，也是《文化人》刊物主編。譚作人自去年12月1日起，與其他維權人士發動7次共3000公里「長征」，走遍10個縣市共80個鄉，踏足45個學校遺址，查訪無數墓園，進行多次訪問錄音、攝影等，寫成數萬字調查報告。

接待譚作人的北川家長代表昨日說：「譚作人來了很多次，幾次到中學廢墟視察，向家長收集學生名單和建築質量調查。但由於他的工作太敏感，經常被監視騷擾。」譚作人原計劃調查至5月才公布結果，但根據《亞洲週刊》報道，當地警方於3月28日到譚的住所，以「涉嫌顛覆國家政權」罪名將他拘捕。當時在場的譚作人 15歲小女兒說﹕「4、5個人衝進來，有人穿著警服，有人沒有，他們出示了證件，然後抄家，然後帶走爸爸。爸爸一句話都沒有說。」
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譚作人的報告指出，截至3月初，統計出的地震師生遇難人數為 5781，又認為部分地區由於地震強度高，建築物倒塌主因是自然災害，然而部分校舍同時存在「偷工減料、粗製濫造」等豆腐渣問題。因為建築質量遇難的師生人數達3067人，佔總數53.05%，另17%涉及選址不當，其中北川中學、新建中學、阜新第二小學、聚源中學，都出現教學樓嚴重倒塌、而周邊建築完好無缺的情況。
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但四川省政府昨公布豆腐渣殺人數字暫時為「零」。

敢企出來講句真說話嘅人就被控 "顛覆國家政權" 呢啲莫須有嘅罪名，而擘大眼講大話嘅省政府官員卻依然可以日日大搖大擺咁招搖過市。阿力想問，一個咁樣完全被扭曲嘅社會究竟想點？！對人民一次又一次嘅欺騙同侮辱，試問一個稍為有血性嘅人又點會唔扯火？！

-力