Lik

我明白香港孕婦嘅憤怒，但有樣野我覺得一定要搞清楚：孕婦嘅憤怒唔應該指向內地產婦同佢先生，問題所在係因為特區政府政策上嘅無能而造成嘅。

來港生小朋友嘅內地孕婦家庭其實同天下絕大部份嘅父母一樣，最重要都只係想要一樣野：母子平安。佢地同所有香港人一樣，都深知道香港一般嘅醫護水平高過大陸不知幾多。如果負責得起嘅話，用多少少錢來買個安全、安心，咁樣又有錯咩？

反之，為香港市民服務，理應係特區政府嘅職責，而特區政府亦理應將香港市民作為第一優先嘅服務對象，為香港孕婦提供有足夠嘅床位去生仔。醫療生育政策同安排搞得唔好，令到香港孕婦有仔無床生，特區政府實在係責無旁貸。

另一樣香港人必須接受嘅現實就係，暫時來講，其實從內地來港嘅孕婦對香港都有好大嘅人口填補嘅作用。記得之前睇過啲數據，話依家在港出生嘅BB大概有一半係來自內地孕婦嘅。與此同時，香港人自己嘅出生率卻只係好似每對夫婦得果0.8個BB。其實要保持人口數量嘅話，出生率係需要每對夫婦生2.x個小朋友（唔記得係2.1定2.3)，即係話香港只係靠港人夫婦生仔嘅話，個比率根本遠遠唔夠 replacement rate。而人口衰退嘅必然現象就係響幾廿年之後（唔使長，廿年到就已經夠）出現人口老化所帶來嘅各種各樣嘅嚴重問題（醫療、護老、經濟各方面）。所以暫時來講，內地孕婦來講產子係有佢一定嘅價值，但重點係，要保障咗港人孕婦為先。

順帶一提嘅就係，現今香港夫婦唔想生、生得少，其中一個好大嘅原因就係因為佢地擔心前景、擔心養唔起個小朋友，而經濟上嘅憂慮好大程度上係因為特區政府高地價政策所帶來嘅各式各樣嘅問題（樓價太貴上唔到車、市場／職場上個個人都受地產霸權影響、後生仔女有學歷、有經驗，但依然上唔到位），呢啲嘅一切，歸根究底都同特區政府施政無能脫不了關係。

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Lik

你太睇少大陸既醫護水平喇, 大陸d 醫院醫生都好多好pro, 香港吸引內地產婦唔係因為乜野醫護水平高過大陸不知幾多, 而係為左一個保險 - 居留權. 生完之後就返大陸架啦, 冇事冇幹唔通叫個小朋友自己落黎讀書咩. 內地孕婦o係香港生子, 就好似坐一個好短既移民監, 為子女拿保障吧~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-10-24 18:13

咁我又真係擺明睇少大陸既醫護水平喎？有邊間香港醫院要個孕婦封利是俾啲姑娘？而如果你唔封嘅話，輕則住院果陣唔多理你，重則用針線縫埋你個屎眼。呢隻醫護水平又真係高喎？

我有朋友嘅屋企人響大陸入咗去唔記得係啲軍方醫院定係啲乜野有名又大嘅醫院，話就話啲醫護水平應該係幾高，但啲護士就一樣當我個 friend 嘅屋企人無到，一直住院咪又係（醫護服務）唔好？

內地孕婦落來香港生小朋友作為買保障，我之前已經講過，我一啲都唔怪佢地喎？其實佢地落去香港生都好麻煩，特別係因為小朋友響香港出世，響內地會無戶籍，其實生活上好多方面都係一件非常麻煩嘅事。要怪嘅，當然係要怪特區政府無能。

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Lik

BC Medical 都要住夠3個月先定幾耐，再一直交錢（最少果幾個月）先至生效啦～年期可以慢慢再計，初生嬰兒就有一定程度嘅括免，咁咪得囉？

社會福利正路係應該俾響度住嘅居民。

-力

Lik

但其實唔好忘記，每一個響BC／加拿大讀完書（大學／大專）就回流或者落美國做野嘅人，其實亦都食咗納稅人好多錢。因為每一個大學／大專生嘅學費，其實有好大部份都係由政府補貼，最起碼都要貼2/3，甚至更多。

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Lik

You better worry about the 200,000 domestic workers and their families becoming Hong Kong citizens. ...
peter236 發表於 2011-10-26 11:34

You are using the same tone and tactics as the PKSAR government, 工聯會、民賤聯 -- why the fear mongering and spreading of false rumours again? The courts simply ruled that the foreign domestic workers have the right to apply for permanent residency; it doesn't grant them that permanent residency status. They still have to go through an evaluation process, and the overwhelming majority of them will simply not meet that requirement. Having their family in HK is pretty much one of the requirements. How many domestics workers do you know have their whole family working in HK?

The ruling was about equality and giving the same rights to what other foreign workers in other sectors already enjoy. Your blatant hatred towards foreign domestic workers simply shows your twisted racial bias.

Close skin la, racist!

-Lik

Lik

If they apply for permanent residency, there are few reasons that Hong Kong government can use to reject them, once they have stayed in HK for more than 7 years.
peter236 發表於 2011-10-26 12:00

Both you and the PKSAR are utterly irresponsible for all the fear mongering that you are spreading. 梁家傑 and the Civic Party have already issued repeated statements indicating that from a legal stand point, the immigration department has 4 major pillars of requirements that they have to use in determining whether permanent residency can be justified once the application is submitted. As long as the immigration department goes by the book, it is very difficult for the majority of the foreign domestic workers to obtain PR status.

工聯會 and 民賤聯 are even more 9 in the sense that they are spreading completely false scenarios. That the domestic helper's salary is going to rise more than 2-fold because of minimum wage requirements and that their current employers will have to eat that cost? If anyone has even 1/2 a brain, they would know that as soon as the domestic helper obtains PR status, any semi-intelligent home owner would stop hiring her and find someone new (at the starting rate -- a mere HKD$3500-ish). 工聯會 and 民賤聯's argument is completely false, and amounts to little more than fear mongering and manipulating the issue to attack the Civic Party in the district elections.

想唔話你條死賤人係賤人都唔得！

-Lik