Lik

今次公投成個過程，中央嘅定性、賤狗特衰政府嘅全天候打壓同阻撓，又有邊個睇唔到？

有 58萬選民出來投票，而支持公投議案嘅比例響五區都極高，特衰政府同班保皇狗又點樣面對呢班選民？

-力

Lik

梅佬，人數方面的確係俾預期有所不及，但話晒個投票人數都儸返足泛民個基本盤，而當你考慮埋民主黨班大哥一直不斷唱反調、泛民嘅鬼卒所做嘅小動作、同個特衰政府賤招用盡嘅時候，淨係個照妖鏡效果本身已經係一個勝利。

-力

Lik

What is the value of democratic political system? Shouldn’t the 立法委員represent people in the government? Shouldn’t they do their job according to the will of the people they represent instead for their own political agenda?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 11:30

Funny how you dare to mention "the value of a democratic political system". Given all the oppression and dirty tactics that the Establishment and the HK SAR PK government has used, how is the system even democratic?!

With a complete lack of mainstream media reporting and fair promotion from the HK SAR PK government, the 580k voters turnout is extremely robust.

-Lik

Lik

And why don't you answer my question direct and straight for a change? Given all the oppression and dirty tactics that the Establishment and the HK SAR PK government has used in both the de facto referendum and in LegCo, how is the system even democratic?! How is the existence of functional constituency democratic at all?!

Elected council members represent the will of the people. Even according to the so called 65% who are "against" the de facto referendum and new wave democracy movement, that still means a whopping 35% are for it. And I'll bet you anything that the way the stats are collected is biased/skewed towards steering people to produce that 65% result.

And if you want to argue based on numbers and percentages, an overwhelming majority (some 70 or 80%, IIRC?) are for a generally elected HKSAR CEO in 2012, and failing that, no later than 2017. Why does the HK SAR government not comply with the will of the people?!

STFU la, BS rockypath!

-Lik

Lik

Kudos to your friends who went out to vote.

-Lik

Lik

Isn’t it another way of saying – “if you support me, come out and vote; if you do not support me, don’t vote.”?

If I do not support them, why should cast my vote? I voted against them by not showing up to vote. Do I make myself clear?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-16 18:55

Doh~ This clearly shows that you don't know shxt about the democratic process and the responsibility of a citizen.

In a democratic society, it is every citizens' responsibility to vote. You can choose to vote for or against a candidate or whatever political idea he represents, but if you choose to not vote at all, then you are simply abstaining, meaning that you choose not make a stand yourself, and will go along with whatever results that come out. If you are really voting against every candidate in the election, you go and cast an empty ballot (投白票).

When you don't know shxt about democracy and the democratic process, please STFU and don't spread your nonsense around la.

-Lik

Lik

First of all, your logic is completely flawed here, Rocky-BS-dude. The de facto referendum is not a political loophole. In the true spirit of democracy, if you do not support the cause of referendum, you simply vote AGAINST it to shoot it down. If the DAB dogs had the guts to come out, you simply vote for them to veto the referendum. Since the DAB suckers were too chicken to blaze the trials of democracy, the other option would have been to vote for the likes of 白姐姐 or other candidates. And hey, within the rules of the de facto referendum, you even get to kick out the LSD / CP "trouble makers".

And lemme remind you once again, Deng Xiaoping once promised the British government that within the internal affairs of HK, the HKSAR gov had all the freedom to decide for themselves. That was written into the HK Basic Law. The elimination of the functional constituency and the initiation process for a generally elected HKSAR CEO are entirely within the internal affairs of HK as it has no bearings on international matters nor national defence. So lemme ask you, how is that illegal?!

-Lik

Lik

Here is exactly what my friend told me:
Friend: "I am against referendum, and I am not going to vote ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:06

Does your friend even know what the de facto referendum is about? What the issue at hand is? Is he aware that by saying he is against the referendum, he is really saying he supports the existence of functional constituency and that he does not want a generally elected HKSAR CEO as soon as possible?

People who don't know politics really shouldn't pretend that they do...

-Lik

Lik

功能組別原來係肥彭整出黎增加民選議席既方法，
點知呢家變成俾人利用做保皇！ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-16 23:24

咁比例代表制亦係中方當年諗出來去 make sure 親中派政黨一定可以有人入局嘅策略來嘅，但係點知家陣咪邊成益咗社民連呢類政治組織響議會裡面做頂心杉？

-力

Lik

B: 只係睇唔過眼佢地用咁手法迫人投票.... 投左票又可以改變到d咩? 香港係城市, 唔係國家, 唔好搞港獨...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:35

淨係憑你個 B friend 講呢句我已經會話佢對公、社兩黨今次運動嘅意義一竅不通。而且，我更加會話佢對香港政治環境一無所知。

A: 民主本身是好的事情,但是不理會政治現實,硬要一步到位式'的爭取就不是普遍香港人所認同的方法,也非明智的做法.為何不先行出一小步,慢慢地理性地討論和爭取?mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-16 23:35

泛民要一步到位？！我真係唔該你個 A friend 讀返多少香港議會歷史啦：

from Wikipedia:

1998年的第一屆立法會選舉中，30席由功能組別產生，10席由選舉委員會選出，20席由地方分區直選產生。 2000年的第二屆立法會選舉，增加由地方分區直選議席，減少選舉委員會選出的議席，其中30席由功能組別產生，6席由選舉委員會選出，24席由地方分區直選產生。2004年第三屆立法會選舉，廢除由選舉委員會選出議席的制度，將6席轉由地方直選產生。其中30席經地方分區直選產生，其餘30位經功能組別選舉產生。《香港基本法》第68條指明最終目標是全部議席由普選產生。

由 98年到 04年，直選議員嘅數量一直係案照基本法遵序漸進咁增加。時至今日，其實 30席嘅直選議員對 30個功能組別成員已經係減晒啲委任議員嘅數目，再來落去就自然係要廢除功能組別嘅議員先至可以達至全部議席由普選產生呢個基本法裡面明文規定嘅條案㗎啦？家陣係阿爺反口，定係泛民要一步到位？！唔該叫你個 A friend 用吓腦諗一諗啦？！

而對廢柴嘅廢話，我都廢鬼事應佢囉～

-力