Lik

It is you seem to not being proud of your Chinese root (if you are a Chinese).
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:41

In the overall scheme of things, it is true that I am ashamed of my Chinese roots.

I am certainly proud of my Chinese cultures, and China's rise in the last 10 years or so has been especially impressive. But in the face of freedom, justice, and human rights, China has given me absolutely nothing to be proud of. As a matter of fact, the continual and repeated violations brings nothing but shame not only to me as a Chinese, but also as a person.

一個人想要得到其他人尊重，都要佢本身值得去俾人尊重先至得。但 so far，中國大陸咁多嘅所作所為又值得去俾其他人尊重嗎？

-Lik

Lik

對於石仔路啲廢 up，我都廢事覆你喇。你要做自豪嘅中國人，你咪即管做囉。但我會不斷去提醒你貪污可以有幾自豪、政治打壓同剝奪人權會令你呢個中國人有幾驕傲。

I think it's no need to put an equal sign between chinese root and chinese govt. If you are ashame of the chinese government (because the no human right, lack of justice etc..) it's fine, but doesn't mean you are ashame of chinese root IMO.
fibbi 發表於 2010-4-20 17:17

而 Fibbi，我唔止對中共政府無乜希望，我亦對中國大陸裡面嘅「人性」嚴重失望。毒奶粉、坑渠油、建材豆腐渣、毒疫苗、暴發戶不可一世，呢啲係政府搞出來嘅，定係人性嘅磨滅而所引至嘅呢？

如此嘅「人性」，又豈能叫我唔去感到羞愧呢？

-力

Lik

我記得柏楊有本著作，叫<醜陋的中國人>。我相信天下烏鴉一樣黑，如果香港不是有良好的法治，良好的教育制度（良好的意思是有德育課會教什麼是禮義廉恥），你猜香港會好得多少？還不是有水放水，無水散水？貪污腐敗不是大陸的專利。與其為身在大陸的中國人的行為（如毒奶，豆腐榨工程）等而感到羞愧，倒不如把這些看成是一個國家快促發展下的副產品。我更不會為身為中國人而感到羞愧。總之希望明天會更好啦.
fibbi 發表於 2010-4-20 21:25

唔好忘記中國大陸曾經經歷過毛賊同文革嘅洗劫、摧殘。從我個人來睇，我會話淨係文革呢一劫已經造成一個接近毀滅性嘅傷害：老竇鬥個仔、學生鬥老師、左鄰鬥右里，所有中華文族嘅基本人際關係同人性都被撕裂，而留低嘅就只有弱肉強食呢個概念。而我深信，現今中國大陸裡面唔少嘅劣質人性都係反映出當年文革所種下嘅業報同所引來嘅惡果。

就算你將國內呢啲行為睇成國家快促發展下的副產品，咁呢啲副產品又是好是壞呢？個影響力又點解可以咁廣大嘅呢？又點解會歷年來一單又接一單呢？人要希望明天會更好，你都要有啲客觀嘅事實來令到自己可以合理咁去相信先至得㗎？好嘅事我唔係見唔到，但壞嘅事卻來得一啲都唔少，而且仲要餐餐嚴重、鑊鑊甘。

你可以話我悲觀，但我真係睇唔見有乜野理由可以令我樂觀囉。

-力

Lik

Why don’t you spend some time to study the “dark ages” in western history and understand how many people had died and what kind of price they paid for the building of the democracy they achieve today?

Do you really believe people in western countries suffered less than the Chinese?
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 23:37

Now you are making zero sense to the point that you are just contradicting yourself.

Have you looked at modern history and what western countries are doing now? Certainly they are far from perfect, but their ideals are sound, and their actions are a lot more proper than what happens in China.

Now, if you were saying that people in western countries suffered just as much as Chinese, then how come westerners can rebound from their dark history to stand taller and more righteous than their predecessors, and yet the Chinese can't? Don't give me the crap that western countries have had more time to rebound because I can just as easily counter that with the argument saying it should be easier for Chinese to learn it since they've seen the examples of the western countries.

Lemme give you a tip, Rocky kid. Keep your mouth shut if you don't know shxt. Or at least, try not to contradict yourself, especially when you are in the same thread.

-Lik

Lik

I am losing respect to you. Does the dignity of being a Chinese mean anything to you?

China is lagging behind most of western countries both economically and politically. It is a fact and there are historic reasons for it.

It is more important to make a contribution to build a better China as a Chinese.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-21 01:32

I hate to repeat myself, but tell me what dignity I can find as a Chinese when the Mainland ignores all sorts of basic human rights, and its citizens continue to pump out poisonous foods, toys, and commodities of all sorts in pursue of their own share of filthy lucre?

Furthermore, it puzzles me to no ends when someone repeatedly claims that a person of Chinese descent should contribute to build a better China when they are living outside of China themselves. If you mean what you say, then what the heck are you doing here in Canada?

I think the correct word to describe this is "hypocrite". (Oh actually, I think the proper LYK term is "moron" )

-Lik