Lik

I wasn't going to reply until I get home, but this is too much. Soli, shame on you for trying to tarnish the June 4 students image and justify the sins that the Chinese Liberation Army has committed.

The World saw the lights turning off in Tiananmen, and heard guns firing afterward. You and I may not have seen it ourselves, but countless number of people most certainly did. What happened at Tienanmen was obvious -- the army open fired on the students.

Besides, does it really matter whether the army started killing people (students, peasants, and protesters alike) in Tiananmen or outside? The same batch of students died as a result of their peaceful protests. Many more outside Tiananmen have also died as a result of the army opening fire on them or otherwise beating them to death. Central Government declared the students peaceful protests and demonstrations as treasonous long before any troops mobilized to Beijing. The blood stains and sins on the Central Government's hands can never be washed clean, especially when they continue to deny of the massacre's existence.

And when you look at what is happening now in Sichuan, and compare to what happened in Tianenman, isn't the government doing exactly the same thing? Silence the press. Threaten the victims. Lie about the truth. The Central Government is doing exactly the same thing it has done 20 years ago when sins are committed by party officials.

Last but not least, don't try to divert the attention away from the completely unacceptable words from this 9up Bowtie. His unacceptable and completely irresponsible words are only trying to justify the unforgivable. And to hear him say that it is ok to sacrifice human lives in the name of economic gains is disgusting and despicable.

-Lik

Lik

四川地震是否存在豆腐渣﹐ 是否真有恐嚇﹐ 需要確切證據﹐ 例如所提及的設計圖﹐  我還在等那位"民權人士“公開這張設計圖給大家看看呢~soli 發表於 2009-5-14 13:07

Distort the facts and choose what you want to believe. The amount of undeniable evidence in both the Sichuan's tofu construction and at Tiananmen is overwhelming. Everyone knows the truth, including the top brass in Beijing!

It is pitiful that someone can sell their soul for $$. May these guys forever burn in hell.

-Lik

Lik

Unfortunately, everything I've seen, read, and experienced is telling me that an increasing number of people is willing to feel less strongly about / overlook / forgive the Central Government's sins in the face of modern China's ever-increasing economic prowess. And this applies to people in HK, ex-HK folks, and Mainland Chinese alike. So 9up Bowtie's words are certainly representative of at least some people in HK -- especially for those siding with the establishment (eg. DAB)?

But the thing is, economic gains has absolutely nothing to do with the Central Government's Tiananmen sins. They are two entirely separate things. It's shameful that far too many people can be brainwashed or have their souls bought out with $$ or power...

-Lik

Lik

個人覺得邏輯上要將 Bowtie 論分成兩部分：
我覺得焦點上， 應該主力追擊曾生 “經濟發展早已有定論”的言論上， 而將 “代表民意” 放於第二。 屆時特首先生的底牌會完全暴露fishbelly 發表於 2009-5-15 02:43

Fishbelly, I was going to say something along the same lines, so thank you for pointing this out.

Bowtie was especially despicable because 2 things he said and implied:

1) Given China's economic growth in recent years, the Tiananmen massacre is justifiable and HK folks should forgive Beijing for their sins.
2) This view of his is representative of the mainstream society in Hong Kong, even though he was only "elected" by 600-something people (out of an 800-strong "election" committee).

And that brings to me the 2nd point:

49# Soli
好明顯我係同bowtie兜﹐ 但bowtie 都道左歉﹐再講都徙氣。soli 發表於 2009-5-14 16:18

If you go back to 9up Bowtie's so-called "apology", he only apologized for his mistake in #2, and how his comments in #2 made the legislators uncomfortable. However, as anyone can see, viewpoint #1 is just as serious a crime (if not a more serious one judging from a humanitarian point of view), and Bowtie has yet to apologize for this. So is it really 再講都徙氣 as Soli says in attempt to downplay the whole incident? I would think not.

9up PK Bowtie, go PK die la~

-Lik

Lik

而家班友﹐ 把口就話想香港好﹐  個心其實係想香港衰﹐  越衰越好。
香港越衰﹐ 佢地越有巿場﹐ 越有影響力。  所以就算香港唔衰﹐  都要唱到好似好衰o甘。
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大陸同bowtie就唔想香港衰﹐香港衰既話佢地都pk。soli 發表於 2009-5-15 11:35

毓民同毛哥都講過佢地所求嘅係公義，而唔係市場，亦更唔係選票。要選票嘅話，社民連就唔會企出來為啲性工作者同外傭出頭，去圍護佢地嘅人權同月薪。我問吓你，有幾多個外傭響香港係有票係手？

再講，社民連一開始就知道自己係激進派，永遠只能夠做少數政黨。而佢地亦無改變自己個黨嘅方針來去迎合選民嘅要求。

大狀同民主黨小弟都唔係咁熟，但我都會話大狀最少都係為公又為私，而民主黨就主要係有心但無料。其他泛民成員有啲係鬼卒，有啲亦有心，好難一概而諭。

所以阿 Soli KT，你自己以小人之心度君子之福就好啦，咪當晒全泛民都好似你自己咁狗又咁功利主意先至好。但既然你自己本身就係一個咁樣嘅人，我諗都無乜辦法去改㗎喇。我勸你都係少啲蒲頭來減低自己獻醜露乖嘅機會囉。

-力

Lik

我頭先仲漏咗兩句：

毓民同毛哥都講過佢地所求嘅係公義，而唔係市場，亦更唔係選票。要選票嘅話，社民連就唔會企出來為啲性工作者同外傭出頭，去圍護佢地嘅人權同月薪。我問吓你，有幾多個外傭響香港係有票係手？除咗社民連之外，又有邊一個政黨唔會珍惜羽毛，去幫性工作者呢啲成日被社會睇低同歧視嘅人？

你信o個o下先好野wor
chunsh 發表於 2009-5-15 12:47

我講嘅全部都係事實。阿蠢薯你自己唔識野、無料到就唔該去查吓社民連嘅往績，點樣為性工作者被警察欺壓同濫權，打完飛機、攪完野之後再去拉人而響議會入面鬧到啲狗官一棟都無。我再唔該你去聽吓社民連點樣去為所有低收入人士（包括外傭）爭取最低工資，點樣批評特衰政府當年嘅外傭稅係變相剝削外傭工酬，而早排話取消外傭稅，但卻又只係推錢俾僱主而唔係俾返外傭。

呢啲事係為選票定係為公義？唔通當成件事擺在我眼前，我都要好似你咁死蠢，係都要唔信？你係咪有病呀你？！

-力