Lik

I fully agree that the Diaoyu Islands should have belonged to China, but as much as I hate to admit, by international laws and standards, the effective "ownership rights" have long been lost to Japan now. And this is entirely due to the incompetency and lack of action on both PRC and ROC.

Since the 50's (might even have been a bit earlier), Japan has continually exercised their "ownership rights" by occupying the Diaoyu Islands, building structures on it, and petrolling the waters close by with their "defence" ships, while China has only occasionally voiced the ownership of the islands in foreign affair speeches while taking zero official government action. By international standards, a continual lack of presence, occupation, and petrolling the area on China's part effectively means they have forfeited their ownership claims on the piece of land. On the other hand, Japan has continually been doing this for 50+ years. Taken to the international courts, China would most definitely lose the ownership claims to Japan.

A simple analogy is, consider what happens when I move into an empty house that you originally owned. I live there for 50 years and all you do is tell people the house is yours, not mine while taking zero real action to kick me out. In 50 year's time, any reasonable law court would have concluded that your lack of action is simply an admission on your part that you have given up ownership of the house, and that the place now belongs to me.

This is what is happening now with the Diaoyu Islands. It has been forever lost to Japan because of the lack of action from China and its government.

-Lik

Lik

回復  Lik

I guess what you want to say the most is -- the ownership of Hong Kong shall have been lost to UK forever long long time ago.rockypath 發表於 2010-9-16 10:01

擦鞋狗，

你識唔識字㗎？當年英國係同中國「租借」香港 99年，就算租借條款點樣唔公平都好，租借嘅契約響97年完咗嘅時候，因為中英雙方都無續約，所以自然要還返香港俾中國啦？

-力

Lik

You can't deny that Diaoyu Islands are under Taiwan province, and the inaction of the ROC in Taiwan has to take responsibility for this situation.
peter236 發表於 2010-9-16 11:54

Did you even read my post? After 50+ years worth of inaction, Japan has every right at the international stage to claim the Diaoyu Islands as their land. And whose fault is this? Both the PRC and the ROC.

Why do I even bother with morons like you?

-Lik

Lik

What you fail to see, Prelude, is that the while a large scale war will indeed have the potential to both divert attention away from the weak US economy and possibly even revive it in much the same way as WWII did back in the 40's, any sort of real war against China, especially at this point in time, is completely incomprehensible because:

1) the US military has already been way overtaxed and stretched by the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns.
2) the US and Mainland Chinese economies are so deeply intertwined that they are practically inseparable. If the US try to take any harsh and severe action against China, the US will end up severely damaging their own economy.
3) Furthermore, let's not forget that Mainland China is the biggest debt holder against the US. Mainland China has the trump card of dumping their US treasury bonds to totally send the US economy into the abyss. Obviously, this will severely hurt China as well, but as an act of retaliation, it is certainly conceivable as well.

Even if China and the US were to enter into a US-Russia style cold war at this point in time, China is arguably in a better position than the US as it can still turn to its internal economy and the Middle East, Africa, and South America for economic opportunities. In an all out game of chicken, it is the US that has more to lose.

-Lik

Lik

It's like you owned a land, but you were weak, no money, no power and no one cared much about you, and some strong gangster dude with power and money built a house in your land and lived there for many years, and you couldn't do anything about it because nobody supported you and you were not big enough to fight him.  Does it make it that the gangster should be the owner of the land?
Prelude 發表於 2010-9-16 13:13

You are missing the point. Had the little man repeatedly complained to the authorities and even tried to kick the big bad gangster out, then there would have been more legitimacy to the old ownership claim. But all China (both PRC and ROC) has done for the past 50 years is to set the issue aside, and only make the occasional announcement that the house is theirs while taking no official action at all. By international standards, this simply amounts to your voluntary forfeiting of the land ownership claims. In the mean time, Japan has repeatedly used it naval forces to petrol the nearby seas and kick people out of the nearby areas.

-Lik

Lik

LOL~

Selling my country out? How am I doing that?

I am simply laying out the facts. I would very much like to see the Diaoyu Islands belonging to China (whichever definition of China that may be), but given the lack of action that China has shown over the past 50+ years, international law simply dictates that China has lost the sovereign right on the islands.

And you want me to enrich my knowledge? Look who is lacking that, and look who is BS-ing here?

Moron~

-Lik

p.s. And btw, I have never been shy to admit that Canada is the one and only country where my loyalty lies. As far back as I can recall, I have never done anything treasonous to Canada. And while I'm at it, allow me to remind you that if you were a naturalized Canadian citizen, you have sworn the oath to be loyal to Canada as well. But from what I can see, you have only pledged your loyalty to Grandfather as his lap dog.

Lik

哈，啲日子又真係好似搞錯咗少少，但我所講嘅日本行使主權卻一啲都無錯。你自己話俾我聽，由 71年到依家，釣魚台嘅控海權係所屬日本定係中國？係日本海上自衛隊日日派艦過去巡邏同驅趕其他船隻，定係中共海軍或者台灣海軍做呢啲事？

40年又好，50年又好，不爭嘅事實係日本就年年月月、實實在在咁霸住釣魚台，但中共同民國政府兩邊就除咗出口術之外就乜Q野都無做過。你中共又好，民國政府又好，如果你將個地方主權爭議攞去國際法庭嘅話，案照國際法釣魚台都一定會判俾日本！

我只係將呢個現實擺出來俾啲盲丙睇。我心裡面都明知釣魚台嘅主權本來屬於中國，但你兩邊嘅政府乜Q野都唔做，而且重要打壓民間嘅保釣行動，咁又算係點？！

Soli你呢條擦鞋狗，又唔見你鬧阿爺半句？！

-力

Lik

齋up都算爭議？我真係唔該你啦！

同你呢啲走狗講多都徙我氣。

而 Davidcopperfeel 呢啲一日淨係識得做跟屁蟲嘅屎忽鬼，真係唔死都無用～

-力

Lik

回復  Lik

Back to Diaoyu Island and using your example of house occupancy. I have a house which I do not live in. I asked (or hired) you to upkeep the house for me. Can you claim the ownership of the house 30 years later since you are the person who takes care of the house?  
rockypath 發表於 2010-9-16 17:50

屌，我都廢撚事同你呢三個共癡團繼續講。你個 example 根本就全錯。中國幾時叫日本打理釣魚台？

就算係當年，中共亦只係向錢看，為咗日本借嘅錢同投資，就懶大方咁話唔講釣魚台嘅主權問題。

要講邊個賣國嘅話，唔該你班契弟翻查一吓係我地近代邊位偉大領導人將東北幾個台灣咁大嘅土地割樣咗俾鄰國仲好啦。又唔見你班契弟攞呢件事出來講？

-力

Lik

咁你答我, 中國係唔係應該爭取返釣魚台既主權?
請問咁樣有乜野問題?

還我釣魚台! 還我釣魚台! 還我釣魚台 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-17 00:04

牆頭草，咁我又問吓你，除咗齋up之外，中國又有無做啲乜野來爭取返釣魚台嘅主權呀？

實事就唔Q做，打壓民間保釣嘅事情就做到足！

-力