BiscottiGelato

Even the Palastinian Authorities rules the Hamas as a Terrorist group. I think Israel have their right to defend themselves. On the flip side, I just don't see what is the lamest excuse that the Hamas can come up with for firing random rockets into Israel territory for months when they were under a 6 month truce.....

If the Hamas don't provoke Israel, there'd be no full scale invasion. You guys can stab each other on the political tables, conduct secret assasination, suicide bomb, etc etc. But when you claim responsibility for firing rockets with your national convetional armed forces, you are pretty much asking for it.

I am not justifying for the war, I am just saying that Hamas should've stopped firing those stupid useless rockets like, RIGHT NOW if they show any care for their own people. The war is wrong, but it's not the Israeli's that started it, it's the Hamas who provoked the Israelis to start this.

What I really don't understand is how the Hamas were able to win against the Fatah in the election back in 2006. I searched on numerous articles but I still don't get it. If even many Palistinian don't like the Hamas, how the heck did they get in power?

BiscottiGelato

Saw this article over lunch in the cafeteria, being re-published on today's Vancouver Sun, in the Canada and World section if I didn't remember wrong. Just food for thought:
http://www.onejerusalem.org/2009 ... fessor-condemns.php

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 soli 於 2009-1-14 14:12 發表

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If Japan still occupied China, and China uses conventional force to try to capture land being taken over by targeting Japanese military targets, fair game.

Hamas, as it is told by major news outlets around the world, are firing provocative rockets into Civilian areas of Israel...

Of course, news can always be faked and manipulated... but if all sources of info can be faked then there's no point for discussion here because there wouldn't be any basis for any points presented here...

Besides, the sin by Israel was not done in the Six Day War (1967). It was Egypt and other Arab gangs who started it, just that it resulted in Israel retaliation which, when the dust settled, Israel actually gained more territory in the process... The sin was done post WWII when the Western world forcefully partitioned a land for the Jews in the modern day Israel... But then, who is to say whose right and whose wrong? If you don't let Jews have their own state in Israel, how about having 1 in Canada then? LOL. Besides, from ancient times the Jews were actually in Israel and they were expelled. So whose to say whose right and wrong if you have to count back to the times of Adam and Eve or the times of the Big Bang? LOL

Just saying, when you are targeting civilian across the border, you can surely expect forceful retaliation if you don't stop. One should recognize that that's an act of defense. In war, there's always casualty... at least the Israeli forces are not purposefully targeting Gaza civilians (or at least, they are not supposed to...).

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-14 14:38 編輯 ]

BiscottiGelato

I'm sure there's tons of conflict between Palestinian and the Israel. I'm sure both sides done a lot of nasty stuff. I'm not saying Israel are saints and all they have done so far since the beginning of time is all moral ane ethical. I'm saying if you fire friggin rockets for friggin a whole year on my civilians, then my military action to disable your capability to do so is called 'defense'.

Also, I completely don't understand your logic in regards to that targeting civilian is just 'normal'. Yeah in war you can do whatever you want, but to claim to be 'right', not targetting civilian is the least you should do. I am talking 'targeting' here, not talking about collateral damage.

Now, in regards to Israel destroying plenty of civilian structures and piling plenty of civilian casualties... Did you even read the link I posted a couple posts ago on the article written by that Havard Law dude? The argument/speculation here is that the Hamas is using their own citizens as human shield (aka. launching attacks from hospitals, heavy residential areas, refugee camps). Also, attacking Israel civillian to provoked Israel to disable their military capabilities. They are basically just trying to rack up the death toll. How is that 'right' by any chance?

And if not for military action, what do you suppose Israel to do? Hamas have increased rocket attack to what? 6/7 dozens a day? ever since the 6 months truce ended late December. They denied renewal of the truce, even tho during the truce they still fired a dozen or so rockets a day over the Gaza border anyways. Furthermore these rockets are basically randomly scattered over area of land with plenty of civilians. This can't even be considered as conventional military action that attempts to reclaim disputed land. This is purely provoking Israel to whip their a$$, as civilian death is what they want.

I agree that full scale assault causing tons of civilian casualty is not the brightest move. But something must be done to remove the Hamas from power. Call me naive, I personally think assassination probably is a better way to get rid of the Hamas regime if one is to use force? But sitting there continually letting the enemy bomb your civilians is called irresponsible to your own people.

BiscottiGelato

Don't get me wrong guys. I'm not siding with Israeli in terms of just owning the place as they are doing so and as it is. On the flip side, i'm dispising Hamas action in targetting civilian with their continuous and never-interrupting rocket attacks, and that the Israeli's should have the right to stop actions that continually put their own people in harms way.

Yes Israel is pushing forcefully thru Gaza. Civilians there are suffering. They claim they will stop their military action if Hamas stop firing random rockets across the border. Then why is the Hamas still firing useless rockets through the border? What good does that do to any issues at all? Why are their militia-men using hospitals and refugee building as sheilds when counterattacking the Israelis? Are they trying to brand themselves as a terrorist organization by meaninglessly escalating the war, or do they really just want to see the death toll continually rack up, or do they just want more of their own citizens to die? It seems to me that at least Israel is trying to protect their own people, while the Hamas don't friggin care about their fellow Palestinians at all..... Besides, 再重手都 still haven't been able to stop those rockets from firing. At least they are trying to only engage military targets....

比人 fire random rockets for 6 months at civilian territory 之後要"俾難民回原居地之其一，撤銷國內既種族階級主義", and you are talking to what you claim as a 'bully' that's "borderline terrorist", whom is stronger in both economy and military power than you? If the Hamas think they can achieve their goal of reclaiming their own land this way, then 佢地真係好心做壞事...

Palestinian got their land taken from them fifty years ago. Israelis claims their land got taken from them 500 years ago. Whose land is it? I definately won't make the call here. But if you f_ck my citizens then you know you'll get whacked. Sounds logical to me. The difference here is that I'm trying to defend my people while you shoot from behind your own....