BiscottiGelato

I don't know. I agree to a certain degree that police here, in relative to HK, even compensated for cost of living, etc, that they are over-paid, underwork, faces relatively less risks and stress, but have very poor service quality/attitude/discipline, and for those yet faces very little consequences.

Police here faces no heavy arms (HK do, aka. Jewelry store robbery, bank robbery with automatic weapons). Police here have poor attitude and have a huge ego to carry, leading to tons of police beatings of innocents, which averages to a case a week if you listen to News 1130 everyday like me. The airport taser incident, which led to the death of an innocent tourist, was being brushed off with 0 consequences for the officers involved even though there were plenty of witness and testimonies pointing to the fact that what they did was totally uncalled for and unjust. Yet they didn't get any internal consequences, nor any legal penalties against them... Imagine somethign like this happnening in HK, the police would've been fired before any legal proceeding started.

Heck, I finished watching a movie from Silvercity Riverport Friday night. My gf was driving north on No.6 Rd and a police tailed us at a little distance. It then suddenly flashed it's light. We slowed down to begin to stop. Keep in mind that there's no shoulders on No.6 road where a car can stop without blocking the only 1 lane. The police then took the OPPOSITE lane going at what I'd say about 100km/hr? (We were going 50/60 and that thing just screamed by us). Then after the police passed he just turned the lights off... I don't know what the exact policy here is, but if he's trying to get to a scene, wouldn't he let the lights on continuous? It looks to me it's a case of needing that caffine/donut fix so badly that he abused the lights again. Furthermore, no matter how urgent the case is, driving 100km/hr in residential area, opposite lane and a place as narrow as No.6 is totally uncalled for. There are houses on both sides and ditches in between.... This contrasted with when I was driving on Lougheed highway the same night heading back into Coquitlam. An ambulence had it's lights on probably 2 km behind me. I was driving 70 and it took like 2/3 minutes to get close enough that I pulled over for it to pass. I think it was driving at max 80/90km/hr. And that is on Lougheed highway which people averages 100km/hr usually. With it's lights on constantly, I am sure it was actually trying to arrive to an emergency. Overpaid police driving 100 in a narrow 50km zone for probably getting donuts vs relatively underpaid medical staff driving 90 in a 70km zone for actually arriving at an emergency.... I maybe wrong about this, but it just feels that something is not right here...

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying every cop on our street is bad and abusive. I am saying that not only do we overpay them, but our system here does not facilitate a reaonsably paid and disciplined police force. The lack of check and balance in our system and the little consequences people in power faces when wrong doing is done is ridiculous. If anything, with power comes more responsiblity and if they do mess up they are supposed to face Greater, not less consequences if anything. It's just one facet of this otherwise wonderful city that is very badly managed IMO.

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-8 16:48 編輯 ]

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 news 於 2009-2-9 07:37 發表


i love your answers...pratically not answering sht all

I am definately not a fan of Toppy, especially on his other posts concerning racial discriminations, etc.

Just being merely objective, tripixel is totally off topic in this case. This topic is dicussing Polices' compensation vs Nurses' compensation in Vancouver/BC. Whether Toppy is an a_hole does not changes the facts on the table which we can use to discuss. If one cannot be objective and stay on topic, I think there's even less ground for that person to attack another individual regardless of how lacking that other person is in terms of moral grounds.

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 pepsis2 於 2009-2-9 09:35 發表
who's overpaid???  lots of ppl think their boss (or supervisors ) are overpaid too!!
gum so what???
i do think the CEO & executives of those useless inverstment groups & banks in USA should go to hel ...

The thing is, this is OUR government, this is OUR police force, which i pay hell of a lot of tax to feed the politician's trap and to the police to buy their little taser toys. That's why i have the right to complain, whether these complaints affect policies is a whole other problem related to the effectiveness of our democratic process and how effective our gov't is making changes according to the voices of the people.

In regards to CEOs and executive, yes a lot of them are useless and overpaid. Unless you are employees being whipped daily by them, or shareholders who contributed to buying that 50k fancy chair that their fat ass is sitting on every morning when they are not on the yatch... then yes, it's exactly as you've said, a useless rant. Even that tho, I don't see why people can't vent on forums, because I see people doing that here everyday...

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-10 09:02 發表

佢意思係：咁又可以點？
而唔係唔VENT得。

Acknowledgement and spreading awareness is the most crucial step in sparkling change.
唔通 staying ignorant, remain silent and 認命 will get you what you want? 係又唔錯呀~

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-11 08:43 發表
我地唔係唔知，我地唔係冇UP過。我地UP完嘆氣話一句：咁可以點，好明顯係無奈，同你話我地咩 "staying ignorant, remain silent" 係9唔搭8。

你又有咩高見可以早D咩嚟減個D廢柴CEO薪水呢？落DT去私人公司度發爛渣投訴？ ...

Relook at his post, the tone does not seem like it's 嘆氣, more like saying complaint is useless 多 D... Of course I can take it wrong, in fact, pretend I'm wrong, or heck, okay i'm wrong, no point dwelling on this. There's better use of time.

And r u pepsis2's wife? his spokesman? "我地"? j/k~

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-11 18:21 編輯 ]

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-11 22:31 發表
Well, if you complain, vented, and there's nothing you can really do to take out useless CEOs in private sector....that pretty much = useless. You vent too, you have your point, everyone had a good po ...

If you think a certain company's CEO is useless, which would imply that the company is badly governed impacting profit and bottom line, just don't invest in it. I think that's a very strong action. Or if you think the CEO is useless and wasting money, cutting into the bottom line of a company you already invested, pull ur investment. Otherwise, why do I really care whether another company have a useless CEO? I never talked about CEOs anyways, I am talking about the very government that is impacting your daily life, and that you've paid 10s of Ks, if not 100s of Ks every year to.

Venting, or in much more accurate and better terms, acknowledgement and spreading awareness, is not useless. Encouraging other to shut up about issues, by telling people that acknowledgement and spreading awareness is 'useless', is not only as simple as 'suffering in silence', but to promote the act of 'suffering in silence'.

There's no point to further discuss if you don't even agree that acknowledging issues and promoting awareness is a vital start in address any issues. I think this is especially vital when a lot of people don't even view this (Canadian authorities' compensation and efficiency) as an issue, as can be seen by a lot of LYKs that were defending the compensation level and effectiveness of the Canadian police force in this very post.

Our tax money is being spent very foolishly on our ineffective government, especially when compared to other places in the world, that there's still much room for improvement that we as tax-payer should demand. Moreover, there's still much room for improvement on how much we as tax-payer have been demanding in getting more efficiency on the return on our tax-money. I don't need half my bonus to go to buying tasers which are going to be used on innocent victims anymore, doesn't this alone justify the cause (of spreading awareness, etc)?

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 13:09 編輯 ]

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-12 13:59 發表

人地拿一拿CEO例子，冇咩問題。我冇INVEST。就算知到好多高層係廢柴咁又點？個個都知FC廢，有幾多個會真係UNSUBSCRIBE？同樣，你覺得政府廢，你炒佢咩。唔係翹埋隻手乜都唔做。熱血青年係好，但係社會就係有LEVEL。



同你講左好 ...

The problem is, CEO is a ridiculous example for issues concerning the government. I was pointing out that CEO and our government are totally diff stuff thus it was a totally irrelevant and stupid example. Those CEO have nth to do with me, why do I want to complain or try to invoke change? Besides, I think some of those CEOs are properly compensated anyways, especially when people paying their salary is perfectly happy, why should I say anything? If the board and investors are not happy they would've voted those CEOs out... On the flip side, the government have A LOT to do with me, I am paying them and a lot of people including me are not happy. That is night and day difference. If majority of the shareholder and the board think a CEO is overpaid and useless, it's trivial to kick him/her out. If majority of the citizen think a particular policy is bad, it's much more difficult to attack that particular policy through regular voting, etc. This is even more true because the general public is very easy to be moved/biased through political tactics. That is why exposing the deficiency is even more important.

In short: People paying CEOs are happy and people paying the Government are not happy. It's easy to kick out CEOs but hard to change the government, Applees and Oranges, get it?

You said just 'spreading awareness' is not useful. I think otherwise. Go back to page 2/3 and see how many people are still in their little dream thinking our police force is well trained, and fairly compensated (5 times+ pay of HK police which have to face AK) for invoking racism (beating by off duty police last week) and tasering innocent toursit.

My replies here were solely aiming at pepsis2's reply, where he gave a negative tone, putting down post which tries to spread awareness to people who were still defending our crappy police system/government. It is pepsis2 that was hinting that any voices trying to expose more aspects of our inefficient government as useless, hence my responses.

Besides, I think it's very apparent that pepsis2, and a lot of other people, including you, are not really criticising the content of this post, but merely criticising this post because it was posted by Toppy.

I dun give a damn about Toppy, but 見 Toppy D post 就反, perhaps 比 Toppy D post 更無聊 ...