chunsh

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-5 20:31 發表
小弟係基督徒, 上文講既內容, 是說出作者對"不成熟的基督徒"的看法.

文中一開首便將基督徒分為"成熟的基督徒" 和"不成熟的基督徒", 並舉出現今社會上仍然存在著"大量"不成熟的基督徒. 根據辭典, 大量即數量多, 但究 ...

何謂"成熟的基督徒" 和"不成熟的基督徒"?

我想﹐這個世界上沒有一個可以稱為完全成熟的基督徒吧
人有7情6慾﹐自私﹐貪婪﹐凶殘......只要基督徒是人﹐就不可能有例外
早前有機會去join一個教會event, 發覺那些教友本身只係對"自己友"nice﹐但對不
認同他們 or 對他們的一些事有些意見的時候(註: 那個不是我哦﹐我承認我無gut,
但我覺得在人家地頭搞事﹐而搞完事後又改變不了他們的話是"waste gas")﹐他們
對會去群起攻之。那﹐他們是不是成熟的基督徒呢?

還有﹐我經常聽到一些基督徒說某些和他們不同見解的基督徒不是真的基督徒﹐他
們才是。那不是傲慢是甚麼? 聖經白讀了嗎?

chunsh

原帖由 starbug 於 2009-1-5 20:52 發表
我話唔信你大佬你就咒我落地獄? 你食X喇.

佢地唔係咒
係靠嚇o者

chunsh

To be fair
actually I found that people around me who are christans are pretty nice to be friends
but but but but but.........
I wouldn't mention anything about religion, especially I know I am not sharing the same religion (or church),if u value him/her as your friend

chunsh

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-5 23:18 發表




"群起攻之"? 可否舉例並說明之?
有D學生做左D唔正確既事, 老師去教佢, 勸佢, 個學生都可能會覺得比老師"群起攻之"的...

8）教派衝突、狗咬狗骨
基督教與天主教同出一根，但是自從新教改革以後，新教比天主舊教更邪惡，對社會的危害性比中世紀的舊教本質上有過之而無不及，而且總是不安分守己，某些新教教派更經常攻擊天主教，視為異端，而即使是新教教會與教會之間，也透露出各堂會之間的不和與勾心鬥角，當中不難嗅出教會之間的權力鬥爭與商業化的氣色。

not only between Catholic and Christian, even among the different churches.....
how? here is a classic conversation between 2 "christians"
A: your notion about XXX is not correct. It should be like this blah blah blah
B: hm....that somewhat different from what I understand about Bible (or from my group leader), it should be this way yada yada yada
A: you and your leader 曲解左聖經啦,應該係o甘架..lalalalalala
B (start getting mad): no, my leader told me that and this sentence of the bible should be tranlated in this way tatatatatatata
A: come on man, 你竟然有這樣的信念? 你跟本就不是一個真正的基督徒!!
B: what the holy hell!! shame on you!!

chunsh

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-6 01:48 發表


Ultraman, what if there is someone on LYK who "greet" your whole family? Would you defend or fight back?
For me, I don't think defend or fight back is immature. If you treasure something and someone ...

read the bible and see who offend who first

chunsh

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-6 02:16 發表
I believe there are many immature Chritians arround and every single Chritian is not perfect. However, does it deny there is a God and there is a creator?

Maybe you dislike all Chritians, but it sho ...

who created "god"?
if we (us, living things on earth, solar system, milky way, etc) are so "brilliant" and "complex" that doesn't make sense to exist with one single explosion or evolution. Then what about god? He is even more brilliant and complex than all those examples I gave
When discussion came to this state, I encounter many christians said "you can't use human logic to judge god"
ironically, they were using human logic to convince us and other people to believe in them and deny other religions

chunsh

原帖由 rockypath 於 2009-1-6 02:16 發表
I believe there are many immature Chritians arround and every single Chritian is not perfect. However, does it deny there is a God and there is a creator?

Maybe you dislike all Chritians, but it sho ...

這裡沒有人說過"dislike all christians"
不要給我們任何一個扣帽子

chunsh

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 09:32 發表
Nobody created God and God doesn't need to be created.  He's not bounded by time or cause.

Just because there are bad examples of Christian doesn't have anything to do with Christianity itself.  Even ...

輸打贏要既最佳例子
用人既logic去說服人﹐但又deny人既logic

how do u know god doesn't need to be created? who told u he is not bounded
by any time or cause? Are u an experts of time and space and cause?

chunsh

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 14:02 發表
I think the original passage is to point out "基督徒八大惡劣特徵", not "基督教八大惡劣特徵". Who dare to say those 8 characters are not commonly found within Christians (say "immature ones)? The write ...

此乃一些believes在辯論中一些慣常用的技倆---轉移目標
無錯我曾經批評過神造論﹐但我係想引出他們的一些在辯論既時候既一些問題
you know what? 我成功了。一次又一次的顯露給別人看他們怎樣同時用同一個human
logic去支持自己的理念和deny別人對他們理念的質疑

more real-life example can be given

chunsh

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-6 14:22 發表
.. 故此我可以歸結出，信耶穌就是出於自私心 ... (this is against all Christians, not partial, mature or not)

against? this is more like a "stating the fact" sentence, while the fact is true or not is another issue

         ... 單憑這一點，耶和華即已是一個邪惡之主。  ... (this is against the Christian God, directly)

well, where do we know about christian god? its from certain believers