chunsh

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-9 13:57 發表
i'm a Christian...
& I disagree with the 8 accusations since I'm not doing these...

oh REALLY?!!
do u mind telling me your opinion about "Goonn Yum", "Guan Dai" and Buddah
and tell me about some churches of christianality disagreement about trinity, the actual birthday of Jesus and the reltionship between Jesus and your Lord

chunsh

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 14:46 發表


Kudos to you.  At least you are admitting that these 2 posts are focusing on ALL Christians.

its just depends
if u havn't done those 8 things, then u are not the one who is being targeted to

chunsh

3）仇視科學、指鹿為馬

I am not totally agree with this
based on my experiences in my secondary school ages and discussions with some other christians (I guess, no way to prove their identity online) do admire the part of sciences/logic that are beneficial to support their teachings. only those logics/theories that have conflicts to their teaching are not welcome

chunsh

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 14:53 發表



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.

I don't know what you are talking about (and I dont care much haha) . If you have done any of those tihngs, then u are the one we are referring to. If not, I respect u like I respect Jesus

chunsh

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-9 17:32 發表
I'd think that it's useful for the group getting stereotyped to know why they are being stereotyped... Some people want to find out why other people think of them a certain way and possibly improve on that, other people just want to stay ignorant....

Isn't it to their benefit that people are being honest and willing to discuss this? Instead some BS is introduced to the thread to disrupt what is really to their benefit...

WELL SAID!!!
but if those portion of people among all the others know how to think and act and talk the way you are, that thread wouldn't last for 37 pages long

And ShutterBug just show us another good one
SB, I agree with u that sterotype is not good, but have u ever thought how come there are such sterotype exist?

go look at other hk forums, and you will find much more fights among believers and non-believers

[ 本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2009-1-9 18:58 編輯 ]

chunsh

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 01:27 發表


well, I used to believe in Goon Yum, Guddah & Guan Dai...
I used to do fortune telling myself...
I believed in tarot cards, face & hand readings... kau chim & all that...
I eat veggie, go to the tem ...

good for you that u have find a way to be happy in your life
and I wish my observation to the christians/chirstianality/churches nowaday is correct: They won't do too much hard-sell to non-believers and spreading their religion by stepping on other people's religion.

let me share mine exp
instead of reading a book with nobody can claim he/she understand the true meaning of each sentence of the bible by the name of god. I would like to 體驗這個世界 by reading news, uncensored real-life video/pictures in battle fields, 3rd worlds 來斷定究竟神的愛是不是滿佈這個世界

if I think back, I think 我和你既相似又不像
我小時候在香港是在天主教 & 基督教學校度過了九年歲月
在開頭的7-8年我有用心上聖經課﹐早會時候會參與pray﹐我沒有領洗﹐不會每餐飯之
前都pray, 沒有每星期返gatherings。 但我對Bible teachings 並沒有抗拒。並覺
得世界應該真的是有神的愛exist somewhere。但最後的一年﹐我開始不信了﹐總覺得那些teaching有些不對勁。至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會。

後來到了加拿大﹐開頭的兩年比較多點時間去想些東西(即係無聊)﹐又開始留意時事﹐看電視新聞﹐讀報(正版同社論)開始更加對聖經teachings同關於神的愛的事情更加質疑。曾和一些基督徒討論﹐但都沒有結果。有人問我為何我不去找牧師討論呢。我有想過﹐但as time goes by﹐ 我覺得沒有必要。 先不說那些什麼神造論 / big bang 論﹐什麼自有永有成不成立﹐我發覺﹐這個世界﹐每天﹐每時每分每秒都有無辜的人枉死(被謀 / 屠殺, cancer, accident etc)﹐而那個常常都高高在上的﹐所謂滿佈慈愛的神﹐有能力去無所不用其極的對異己屠殺(自己看舊約聖經同last chapter of bible) 卻對現今的人見死不救!!!!

有基督徒和我說﹐那些人受苦 / 被殺害是因為人類自己作的"業"﹐好像那些挑起戰爭的政府﹐毒犯﹐etc。唔聽由自可﹐聽左把幾兩把火! 對﹐ 是人類自己挑起戰爭﹐所以他們的國民才會枉死﹐挨hungry and then die with agony。但看著那些在圖中 / video中被炸到所有粉身碎骨既兒童 / 老弱﹐我問﹐為什麼死的不是那些挑起戰爭的狂人﹐而是兒童呢? 為什麼受苦的﹐會是抱著自己孩子屍體的母親呢? 之後我有再問﹐但答案都只有令我更加失望同光火。我開始覺得﹐我小時候那9年的生活中﹐ 俾人昆左。俾人昆左﹐就梗係更加不認同那些teachings了

而今年﹐我有機會去參與2﹐3次一個教會的gatherings﹐ 有分享﹐有聽道。但更加發覺他們大部份所講的道理我都不認同﹐and無意間被我發覺信眾之中出現了那8個問題:
自命屬靈、排斥異己  (please note, I was not the one who was being targeted)
教派衝突、狗咬狗骨  (this is second time I heard about the disagreement
about some chirstianality teachings between different group of christian)

I was like...."forget it man. you guys have fun, see ya!"

但同時﹐我also發覺現今的教會對傳道和對其他宗教的表面態度有別與從前。起碼﹐並沒有好像我的中學老師那樣 insult 其他宗教。這是一件好事。

chunsh

原帖由 samsung 於 2009-1-10 13:39 發表

chunsh:
while listening to your story, I feel bad for you...
至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會.

ok, maybe my post was too long, the age while I "至於那些不對勁﹐我不知道﹐亦不理會" was about 15-16years old
boys around that age in hk secondary school are more concern about basketball than anything

and later on I found out the what where wrong by myself. either from news and from my exp in some church groups

chunsh

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...

wow, miss austin is coming back again

chunsh

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 19:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...

really unacceptable?
I always heard some LYK always said that the people who work in Canada are more in slacking atttiude. THis is a sterotype too. um.....where were u, Austin

chunsh

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 06:43 發表
I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.

now that is a sterotype
u didnt read all my posts
whatever.......