chunsh

我係路過。。。

我想問。。。
唔食翅個D人，去晚宴有碗翅擺在你眼前。你唔食，你會：
- 叫其他人食埋佢？
- 定係由得酒樓倒掉算吧？

你自己唔會叫嚟食，OK，可以減少DEMAND。
不過如果有魚翅唔食，罷食真的有用嗎 ...
B仔 發表於 2009-6-29 16:11

thanks B 姐
but 算罷啦
因住有一班自己都係meat-eater既人幫你扣帽子呀(帽子title: "對animal 冷血")

chunsh

另外又何須甘在意其他人是否認同自己?你覺得自己立場無問題就可以了.
因為立場意見不同就替人亂扣'天使/魔鬼'的帽子有欠理智. Take it easy man!
Yui 發表於 2009-6-29 16:35

well, if u talk about 有欠理智?
still, we are the same

chunsh

Don't feel 自卑, chunsh. And please don't crown non-shark's-fin-eaters "hero" or "angel" stuff like that. You really have no idea what exactly the reasons non-eaters hold.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-29 18:22

crown?
who crown who first?
respect?
yeah I know some people dont eat shark-fin long time ago and I never be the one who saying this and that about those people at first.
if u guys truely respect others, why calling me cold-blood while we are all meat eaters? u said it is ok as long as nobody not forcing anyone to follow the other party's rule, but what u guys do are diff from what u guys said. I was planning to stop the discussion

killing is killing. I dont see the differences between killing the kids of a pigeons/pigs family is any more "warm-blod" than eating sharks-fin. We, the human, are all the same who like to kill other animals for our eating desires (remember that we can still survive without meats). why only blaming the shark-eater (but the the shark-hunters)

chunsh

Very fine. You can simply stop eating pigs, sheeps, and cows but only eat shark's fin. But please respect others who do the other way round.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-29 18:24

Any word from me saying that "Not eating shark-fin is unholy?"
its u guys keep saying that I am cold blood and 我唔始識野wor
respect? where?

chunsh

I dunno about others. At least, I can be sure I didn't and never call you (or other shark's fin eaters) "cold blooded" and/or "devil".
Ultraman 發表於 2009-6-29 20:56

in many cases, no explicit wordings are needed to do the work. What I saw is

• someone ask chinese shouldnt eat shark-fin and saying chinese eating shark-fin making him/her shameful to be chinese
  
• I dont agree (and please note, I didnt disagree with the part of we shouldn't just cut the shark-fin and throw them back to sea) since many other people in other countries do bad things on animals (e.g. in canada), and none of them feel shameful to be Canadian. Why, we chinese need to be shameful to be a chinese 要知道"直頭愧為中國人"與"我為某些中國人過份食魚翅感到羞愧"是有分別的
  
• Then I keep hear people keep asking me to watch the video. They said that they are not trying to force anyone to change but the next sentence is saying those people are麻木不仁 (want example? look at #97) and our behavior 對地球對生態環境有害
  (誇張的講﹐好似講到差唔多shark-fin eaters係危害地球安全﹐威脅宇宙定律o甘樣)
  

喂大佬﹐ 我無係度鼓吹食魚翅呀﹐ 我係覺得為中國人感到悲哀。為何中國人甘容易就話"直頭愧為中國人"le?
你話我唔respect其他人﹐有無證據呀? 我靜係聽到一的comment 個implication 係
話我冷血wor
好喇﹐ about brutal 唔brutal, 殺生就係brutal架啦
有人話我舉extreme例子﹐食goose livers 個的 goose 都好慘架(養既方法好唔人
道)﹐有無人題過? 有無人可憐過? 人地的European都唔知幾proud of 佢地出產既
goose liver 添啦。

chunsh

你誤會我了~ 12隻飽魚並唔係重點, 小弟只係想講"飽參翅肚", 小弟既婚宴有其中兩樣.
更何況, 小弟完全明白有人唔食魚翅架~
小弟亦想分享一下自己既經歷之麻. 每個人都有自己對食既取向, 小弟覺得食唔 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-6-29 21:22

MJJ, I just feel sad about how come chinese always said that they are shameful to be chinese. And if you look at some comments (e.g. #41, #42, #97), you will see how come fire can keep growing (admitted I light this fire up)

chunsh

好明顯, 呢度有人太敏感之麻, 覺得有人話"自己唔會食翅", 就即係針對食翅既人.

基本上﹐雖然我食翅﹐但我對戒翅人士沒什意見﹐認為那是個人選擇。我一開始係針
對民族性的問題﹐認為這是民族自卑心作祟。我並無讚同/鼓吹食翅。但是其後不斷
有人叫我去看那個video, 說那些鯊魚很可憐。我們應該戒食翅。我不讚同﹐我認為
應該要政府 create and enforce 法律關於 the hunting of sharks and about keep
sharks as livestocks。接著﹐ 我被攻擊(例子我舉過了)﹐ 沒問題。在forum說得出話就expect了被圍攻(I am not the only one in LYK)。被攻擊而去反擊是正常的行為。
我真的不明白﹐為何我們說以現時的方法捕鯊是冷血﹐但殺掉一些畜牲的初生offspring來擺在餐檯上又不是那回事呢? (and said I am giving extreme examples)
people 說我食翅係麻木不仁
但我反擊就說我不專重呢?

chunsh

chunsh 兄, 你太上心了...
佢地都唔算攻擊你丫, 我一句比人話"有病"tim 呀, 我咪仲慘.   
不過, 我不能否認我真係有病, 每個星期都要睇醫生tim. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-6-29 22:33

ok 啦
就算係take it personal都唔會take太耐
呢個係forum公式黎架啦﹐有o羊野火topics﹐鬧鬧鬧鬧十幾二十個pages﹐跟住有一
刻大家都會悶﹐然後個topic就會沉。靜一排﹐咪有搵第個topic再鬧過lor

chunsh

其實有咩好argue..? 一直只係有D人o係度強逼其他人adopt拒o既做法
你想唔食shark fin想救救地球﹐係好事啊﹐但係你唔可以逼人o地唔食o架嘛......
又唔係你罷食之後人o地會食多D食埋你個quota﹐你唔食﹐你救到地球救 ...
chocobun 發表於 2009-6-30 00:40

各位LYK

chunsh

其實, 我覺得你今次真係好有禮貌, 係"請"人唔好食魚翅~
呢個thread, 都係想多d 人明白捉鯊魚係好殘忍. 如果d 人可以唔食咁多翅, 就可以少d 人捉鯊魚啦~ ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-6-30 01:26

我始終唔明白﹐點解靜係有人叫人唔好食魚翅﹐但無人呼籲叫人立法適當捕/殺鯊魚。

o個個film maker應該班馬去當地政府請願啦