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回復 11# mukmuk2

I dunno, I'm paying under  $1200 a  year

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回復 13# mukmuk2

Are you one of them?

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回復 15# mukmuk2


    Good for you

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I have mixed feelings on this issue.....

I am a casual drinker (I like my wines and occasional cocktails) and I am very aware of my drinking when I drive. My point is, if you WANT a nightlife, you can either live in downtown so you can walk home (walking drunk is dangerous too but at least it's LESS dangerous to other people on the street), or you can arrange a taxi. Drinking is NOT a neccessity at the end of the day, and too many people live in the suburbs and go out for drinks in downtown/ richmond, driving 45min under influence (even a SMALL influence) imposes huge risks.

I don't agree with BiscottiGelato's comment on the possible loss in tax revenue. At the end of the day, drinking and driving DO increase number of accidents on the roads - that can not be measured by $$. But I do think the speed limits on many streets are ridiculous.... 50 in residential area is okay, but on graville? w georgia overpass? come on.....

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回復 17# 大C姐


    Well, you probably driving a  Farrerri  or Cayenne

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is it so hard not to drink and drive?..if you are going to drink..then dont drive...yes it may be in ...
news 發表於 2010-9-17 12:16


It's not as simple as that. It's always a case of trading between risk (think about others) and freedom (inconvinience). You always have to draw a line. The point is where do you draw a line and whether that line is drawn so that it's the most efficient trade possible between risk and freedom.

Some places draw the line where if you drink, don't drive, which is what you suggested but that's not our law anyways.

BC we are drawing this arbitary line of if you drink over 0.05, don't drive.

You can always make the world a safer place by stripping more rights. How about banning motorcycles because the ratio of death to accident ratio is high? How about banning Facebook since people are going viral with child porno rape photos? How about stripping the rights to drive at all since so many people die from just plain driving in general, and not to mention the air pollution might end the earth one day? I can just as easily extend what you said to 'if you are going to head out, then take the bus...yes it may be inconvenient to YOU.. but pls think about the others'. We can keep on stripping more and more rights from everyone becasue of the danger caused by a small number of people, and make the world a safer and safer place, but then what's the point in living at all then? Where do you end? The key is whether it's a fair trade of freedom and risk, and whether it's an efficient trade.

My argument is that 0.05 is arbitary, meaningless, and makes it very easy for people to unintentionally cross the line. If the intention is to allow people to drink a little bit, but prevent people that excessively drinks to drive, then I think the current regulation is very poor in achieving this. It strips more freedom from the ordinary people than necassary, but doesn't necassarily prevent the wreckless drink and drivers from driving, as they don't give a sh_t regardless, and it doesn't bar out people who can't handle even 0.05 from driving either. At the same time it intimidates people who intends to stay under the limit anyways, especially when portable breathalyzers are known to be inaccurate and there have been cases of conviction without even doing a breathlyzer sample at all. Raising the penalty is going to reduce excessive drinking and driving by a little bit, but increase conviction massively. All it's going to do is allow the police to be much more intrusive, and much easier to power trip the ordinary citizens (even the ones who didn't even drink!), and tie up the court system even more. All these new regulation is just trying penalize ordinary people doing ordinary things.

If the real intention of all these is to improve safety, there are a lot more that they can do than just slap on a bigger penalty. Obviously those are going to require thinking and efforts. It's much easier to tighten up the laws and act as if the government have done something. At the very end of the day, it's all just politics and all just for show.

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本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2010-9-17 15:41 編輯
I have mixed feelings on this issue.....

I am a casual drinker (I like my wines and occasional cock ...
大C姐 發表於 2010-9-17 14:50


It's not just tax revenue. It's also alcohol sales revenue. Some might not even want to dine out because of this. I probably rather stay home more now to wine and dine when possible instead of risking it all driving out, having a drink, and have the breathlyzer fail on me saying i drank a lot more than I actually did. So what if our restaruant and bar industry start closing down and laying off? Who are we to blame now?

As I said in the long post, it's always a trade. Enjoyment, Convinience, Risk factor, Economy, etc and whether the trade is any efficient. To people that don't even touch the decanter at all obviously they'd say 'screw you'. What if you work as a sommiler? Which group of people do you favor more? There's no black and white and it's always a trade-off.

And yes, 50 clicks on Granville during the day time when there's cars going all directions and pedetrain all over the place, if you somehow manage 40 over that you should get a spanking for it. 50 clicks on Granville at night when you can barely find a car there? Assuming driving at 10/20 above the limit, it's not hard to unintentionally get to 40 above if you don't pay close attention to the speedo on downhill sections. And you get your car impounded for that?

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