peter236

I fully agree that the Diaoyu Islands should have belonged to China, but as much as I hate to admit, ...
Lik 發表於 2010-9-16 09:20

You stupid moron, Japan and the US have defensive agreement. If China takes any military actions against Diaoyu Islands, the US would use that excuse to invade China.

You can't deny that Diaoyu Islands are under Taiwan province, and the inaction of the ROC in Taiwan has to take responsibility for this situation.

Lik

You can't deny that Diaoyu Islands are under Taiwan province, and the inaction of the ROC in Taiwan has to take responsibility for this situation.
peter236 發表於 2010-9-16 11:54

Did you even read my post? After 50+ years worth of inaction, Japan has every right at the international stage to claim the Diaoyu Islands as their land. And whose fault is this? Both the PRC and the ROC.

Why do I even bother with morons like you?

-Lik

Prelude

US has been waiting for excuse to start world war for long time, it's the only way that can rescue US's economy.

US has been trying to get media attention to the sea around Korea and Japan near China recent months, like doing army rehearsal at China's front door few times.  US is trying to provoke China to react, so that US can do their usual marketing about the need to have some kind of war against China, physically or/and economically.

Prelude

It's like you owned a land, but you were weak, no money, no power and no one cared much about you, and some strong gangster dude with power and money built a house in your land and lived there for many years, and you couldn't do anything about it because nobody supported you and you were not big enough to fight him.  Does it make it that the gangster should be the owner of the land?

Lik

What you fail to see, Prelude, is that the while a large scale war will indeed have the potential to both divert attention away from the weak US economy and possibly even revive it in much the same way as WWII did back in the 40's, any sort of real war against China, especially at this point in time, is completely incomprehensible because:

1) the US military has already been way overtaxed and stretched by the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns.
2) the US and Mainland Chinese economies are so deeply intertwined that they are practically inseparable. If the US try to take any harsh and severe action against China, the US will end up severely damaging their own economy.
3) Furthermore, let's not forget that Mainland China is the biggest debt holder against the US. Mainland China has the trump card of dumping their US treasury bonds to totally send the US economy into the abyss. Obviously, this will severely hurt China as well, but as an act of retaliation, it is certainly conceivable as well.

Even if China and the US were to enter into a US-Russia style cold war at this point in time, China is arguably in a better position than the US as it can still turn to its internal economy and the Middle East, Africa, and South America for economic opportunities. In an all out game of chicken, it is the US that has more to lose.

-Lik

Lik

It's like you owned a land, but you were weak, no money, no power and no one cared much about you, and some strong gangster dude with power and money built a house in your land and lived there for many years, and you couldn't do anything about it because nobody supported you and you were not big enough to fight him.  Does it make it that the gangster should be the owner of the land?
Prelude 發表於 2010-9-16 13:13

You are missing the point. Had the little man repeatedly complained to the authorities and even tried to kick the big bad gangster out, then there would have been more legitimacy to the old ownership claim. But all China (both PRC and ROC) has done for the past 50 years is to set the issue aside, and only make the occasional announcement that the house is theirs while taking no official action at all. By international standards, this simply amounts to your voluntary forfeiting of the land ownership claims. In the mean time, Japan has repeatedly used it naval forces to petrol the nearby seas and kick people out of the nearby areas.

-Lik

rockypath

回復 9# Lik

Should we call you - "賣國賊阿力"?

Enrich your knowledge before BSing here.

Lik

LOL~

Selling my country out? How am I doing that?

I am simply laying out the facts. I would very much like to see the Diaoyu Islands belonging to China (whichever definition of China that may be), but given the lack of action that China has shown over the past 50+ years, international law simply dictates that China has lost the sovereign right on the islands.

And you want me to enrich my knowledge? Look who is lacking that, and look who is BS-ing here?

Moron~

-Lik

p.s. And btw, I have never been shy to admit that Canada is the one and only country where my loyalty lies. As far back as I can recall, I have never done anything treasonous to Canada. And while I'm at it, allow me to remind you that if you were a naturalized Canadian citizen, you have sworn the oath to be loyal to Canada as well. But from what I can see, you have only pledged your loyalty to Grandfather as his lap dog.

soli

"Since the 50's (might even have been a bit earlier), Japan has continually exercised their "ownership rights" by occupying the Diaoyu Islands, building structures on it, and petrolling the waters close by with their "defence" ships, while China has only occasionally voiced the ownership of the islands in foreign affair speeches while taking zero official government action."

我真係唔明﹐點解力仔可以o甘唔要面﹐當眾狗up一大堆假facts而唔面紅。
1950s﹐日本剛剛戰敗﹐船都唔多隻﹐幾時有派過咩"defence" ships去釣魚台?
1950s﹐釣魚台係由美國管轄﹐日本又點 exercised their "ownership rights"??
直到1971年﹐美國將琉球群島交還日本﹐卻將原屬中國既釣魚台一併交予日本﹐釣魚台主權歸屬爭議先開始。