Lik

My understanding is, LSD has only been wanting and promoting the Hong Kong-wide 5-riding resignation, and seek re-election as a means to carry out the unofficial referendum.

The Civic Party, on the other hand, brought up their 3-phase proposal, and so far, only phase 1 (the negotiation phase) has received support of the entire pan-democrat camp -- "talks" has already been held with Bowtie, but no progress has been made at all because the none of the pan-democrats' requests have been adopted in Bowtie's policy reform proposal.

CP's phase 2 plan want meant to be pretty much identical to LSD's 5-riding wide resignation / re-election / referendum-in-disguise. Details have not been finalized yet because CP and LSD were waiting/hoping the Democratic Party would support the movement, perhaps even providing candidate(s) for the resignation / re-election-referendum.

For the phrase 3 plan, I think it is only meant to be a form of protest and boycott. The council members will not be seeking re-election at all for the rest of the current LegCo term. The mass resignation of elected legislative council members will undoubtedly create international attention and pressure to condemn the lack of democratic progress in Hong Kong. In 2012 (that's when the current LegCo term ends), however, the pan-democrats will  take part in the LegCo election again.

-Lik

mcjohnjohn

I didn't want to come back, since the admin. here banned my account for no reason last time.

But I am interested in this topic.  

mcjohnjohn,
I thought you like 民建聯.  Because you said you didn't ...
psp620 發表於 2009-11-27 08:28

I like 民建聯 only when they organize tours for my parents.... such as 蛇宴, 香港一天遊, 大陸兩日一夜遊, etc.
I always tell my parents to join their activities, as they can eat up part of the unlimited fund of 民建聯.

In 立法會投票, I always vote for 泛民. On the other hand, I don't have any bias on 民建聯 at 區議會投票, as I only want to vote someone who can improve some facilities in my residential area.

Lik

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project because Grandfather wants it done. The project costs each and every HK citizen over HKD$10k's worth of money, and will invariably create massive traffic jams in the West Kowloon area. It'll also destroy the homes and peaceful livestyles of those living in 菜園村 while hardly benefiting any sizable number of people in Hong Kong.

Every voter needs to keep this in mind the next time they cast their ballot.

-Lik

peter236

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project  ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-26 21:31

You stupid moron, those people from 菜園村 will be compensated with billions of $$. They are all richer than you.
As for the highspeed railway, build it or not, HK will be in an awkward position. When the whole of China has the highspeed railway built, hundreds of millions of people will be using it. If HK is not part of the railway system, HK will be laughed at as being backward by all the Chinese. There is no way HK will be able to compete with other cities as China's financial center.
Whether the highpseed railway will benefit HK remains to be seen. A way of evaluating the usefulness of the railway is to look at how many people will travel beyond only Guangzhou, onwards to other major Chinese cities. The longer the distance the bigger the time saving. A problem with HK's section of highspeed railway is that the whole system will be built underground, thereby increasing the costs.

mcjohnjohn

MJJ,

If you really want to vote for someone who can improve the facilities in your area, remember this -- DAB will never vote against $$-wasting projects such as the useless high speed train project  ...
Lik 發表於 2009-11-27 12:31

Lik,

Maybe I am quite short-sight and selfish. When I vote for 區議會議員, I only care what they can do for MY residential area only.

立法會議員 is a different case though. I don't think there is any problem to construct the high-speed train terminal in HK. In my opinion, it is fine to catch up with the modern transportation. 菜園村 or 西九, I really have no idea where the train should cross, but I really like to have a compatible modern railway system with mainland China. As one of the large cities in China, it is strange that if HK cannot be merged into the newest railway system in China.

mcjohnjohn

You stupid moron, those people from 菜園村 will be compensated with billions of $$. They are all richer than you.
As for the highspeed railway, build it or not, HK will be in an awkward position. When the whole of China has the highspeed railway built, hundreds of millions of people will be using it. If HK is not part of the railway system, HK will be laughed at as being backward by all the Chinese. There is no way HK will be able to compete with other cities as China's financial center.
Whether the highpseed railway will benefit HK remains to be seen. A way of evaluating the usefulness of the railway is to look at how many people will travel beyond only Guangzhou, onwards to other major Chinese cities. The longer the distance the bigger the time saving.
peter236 發表於 2009-11-27 12:53

Peter 仔, 你唔好成日moron 前moron 後喇... 你搞到自己好似o係度針對力兄而唔係針對件事law.
菜園村, 政府係打算陪好多錢. 但如果我係菜園村既村民, 我都唔係咁想搬. 錢唔係大哂既, 小弟相信部分菜園村既村民真係好熱愛菜園村! 冇左菜園村, 就會好似冇左故鄉一樣.
至於高鐵, 我覺得係應該要起既. 至於點起法? 邊度係總站? 應該途徑邊一度? 恕小弟愚昧, 小弟真係冇研究過, 只好交比香港政府研究吧!

peter236

Peter 仔, 你唔好成日moron 前moron 後喇... 你搞到自己好似o係度針對力兄而唔係針對件事law.
菜園村, 政府係打算陪好多錢. 但如果我係菜園村既村民, 我都唔係咁想搬. 錢唔係大哂既, 小弟相信部分菜園村既村民真係 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-11-26 22:03

I agree with you that Hong Kong needs the highspeed railway, just to keep up with mainland China. With the highspeed railway, HK may have a chance to compete with other Chinese cities. Without it, HK will be laughed at. The only problem is the high cost.
But then, the Kowloon-Canton railway was the world's most expensive railway per km when it was first built.

mcjohnjohn

But then, the Kowloon-Canton railway was the world's most expensive railway per km when it was first built.
peter236 發表於 2009-11-27 13:22

係咩? 真係唔知woh...
小弟都覺得香港起既野都貴, 可能因為我地要求用料好, 所以一定唔會有豆腐渣啦!

peter236

係咩? 真係唔知woh...
小弟都覺得香港起既野都貴, 可能因為我地要求用料好, 所以一定唔會有豆腐渣啦!
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-11-26 22:26

I am not too sure about this point on Kowloon-Canton railway. I just read somewhere else.

Lik

五毛懵仔，

菜園村一事，唔該你自己去 check 清楚啲 facts 先走出來鳩up。接受賠償嘅好多根本只係有菜園村地權，但本身再無響菜園村入面住嘅人。真係響果度住嘅，特別係啲老人家、老村民根本就唔想走。

高鐵概念本身並無太大問題，但執行上卻完全錯誤！短短 26公里嘅鐵路每公里造價仲貴過英法海底鐵路隧道、成條大數貴過赤垃角機場嘅成本價，呢個係咩道理？！唔通你夠膽死話呢條高鐵嘅實用價值高過香港國際機場同英法海底鐵路？！

港琛兩地其實已經咁多口岸、咁多交通渠道，而港珠澳大橋亦拍咗板要起，港琛嘅人流數量其實又有無咁多？點解要起多條擾民、徙錢、破壞交通、重要唔方便、又無人搭嘅鐵路？要起，點解唔可以起響地面？總站唔響西九龍？點解唔可以選用現有嘅鐵路路線而加以改建／擴建？反高鐵大聯盟請 engineering firm 做過個 study，話只要總站唔起響西九同繞一繞道，成個 project 嘅造價就可以由＄550幾億嘅天價暴減至 ＄200 至 ＄400億，但特衰政府就死人都唔肯改，而且仲要夾硬推個計劃，想叫人信服都幾難啦？！

大哪哪 ＄550幾億嘅報價（最後條大數一定嚴重超標）你一吓就咁燒咗佢，叫你加過少少生果金、撥多啲醫療同教育開支就死都唔肯！呢啲咪叫做「善財難捨、冤枉甘心」囉！。咁嘅政府唔掉七佢都唔係人啦？！

換咗有雙普選嘅話，你估特首敢唔敢推個嚴重反民意嘅計劃出來？立法會議員又敢唔敢背棄民意而批准撥款？！講到尾，香港政制嘅不堪到係源於無普選！！！

-力