福音變得好商業化 教會阻信徒受洗 福音

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民間媒體青台台長林子健，本身也是基督徒，現時正修讀神學，預計明年畢業。他說讀神學的其中一個原因，是看不過眼越來越多教會領袖是非不分，曲解了《聖經》的真理，「佢哋將整套福音變得好商業化，一味搵明星、發展商、有錢佬做見證。」林子健說這些財雄勢大右派教會的「米飯班主」，正是一班商家及政府高官，「講道嗰陣，淨係會講台下班老細想聽嘅嘢，祈禱只係會提校園驗毒，冇聽過最低工資。」

一名"80後"在教會內遭到邊緣化,已經有 10年信仰，是一位虔誠的基督信徒，但平日在教會內，得不到其他信眾認同，有時甚至有活動都唔預埋佢參與,原因是她經常參與社運，包括反高鐵運動，六四集會與 7.1遊行，有教會高層說，「做基督徒唔應該去呢啲集會。」原本準備於去年接受洗禮，並已完成了教會內要求的三個受洗前課程，然而在受洗前夕，有教會高層卻向她表示，暫時不能安排她受洗。

Lik

彌迦書 6：8 裡面講：

「世人哪，耶和華已指示你何為善。他向你所要的是甚麼呢？只要你行公義，好憐憫，存謙卑的心，與你的神同行。」

唔知呢啲大右派教會同基督教保皇黨響又有無面目去話佢地行緊嘅係公義、好緊嘅係憐憫呢？

-力

zoids

USA is a good example to show what happens when Chrstianity got its hand on politics.

chunsh

呢個church唔岩﹐咪去第二個church o羅
講真﹐教會咪又係由人所組成既團體﹐人多就一定有政治架啦。係睇下o個個church入
面既culture o岩唔o岩你既o者

Nam

今日同送一個好朋友去機場，先講開依個topic,佢係一個少數我respect 嘅基督徒，因為佢並無斷章取意，亦無偽善！

但真係好好笑，佢話佢被人係教會kick out, 因為佢睇唔過眼其他人曲解聖經，所以教會啲人好似車輪戰咁不停challenge 佢，到最後坳唔贏佢後，啲教友好心相勸，叫佢以後唔好返依個教會！

佢有感而發話依架全世界嘅教會越嚟越同聖經嘅主旨背道而馳，要搵間好嘅教會真係好難！我只好答佢，如果真係有間咁嘅教會，我唔介意去，可惜....

chunsh

今日同送一個好朋友去機場，先講開依個topic,佢係一個少數我respect 嘅基督徒，因為佢並無斷章取意，亦無偽 ...
Nam 發表於 2010-4-18 00:37

I have seen similar examples

Mr_Right

I've been to church ~16 years, mostly in Canada and briefly in the US and HK.  I speak out of my own experience/perspective

We've seen a lot of cultural/technological changes in the past 20 years, the church and the people are also susceptible to changes.  To say "all churches/all Christians" have become a certain way, is perhaps a little over simplified.  

I'm in my 30s, and our generation have become much more intellectual and knowledgeable.  It is very very easy to place judgment/be critical about church, their thoughts/ideas etc... It's easy to google up and find out loads of information, and be judgmental/righteous.  I was like that too.  I have a great job, educated etc..  It's easy to step on the sideline, until I see that I'm also very weak and broken... until I experience forgiveness, care and I simply call it grace.

You know...  We Christians aren't better than non-believers..  There's nothing in us that make us better.  I have many non-christian friends who are really great friends, responsible person etc.  For Christians/me, I know I'm far from perfect, and much to learn in life, but when I get to build a relationship with a God that loves me, and experience a new ways of living/direction, I tend to start seeing the world differently.  

Many random thoughts... btw, I like Lik's quotation.  Here's another translation from "The Message":  " But he's already made it plain how to live, what to do,
   what God is looking for in men and women.
It's quite simple: Do what is fair and just to your neighbor,
   be compassionate and loyal in your love,
And don't take yourself too seriously—
   take God seriously. "

chunsh

" take God seriously"?
do u know how many people got killed or turn some people to slaughtering demons because people take god (whichever god) seriously the wrong way?
In Bible, there are so many sentences that specifically any one of those can have so completely different translations. Church A's people translate that sentence this way, and Church B translate that sentence the other ways, and each of them blame each other to mis-interpret the bible. You disagree with me? go away!

I think the God should come and being a judge to tell which groups of people are correct (assume that bible contains all of his words, no more and no less)

Mr_Right

chunsh, yes, i hear you.  It's very upsetting that in history, and even today, there's conflicts due to religion and different believes.  In terms of bible translation, I think today's christians/non-christians actually have the luxury where we can have a lot of various references of the bible, which in old days, we don't.  

My limited understanding is that the original language for which the bible is written is already a pretty precise language.  So translating it is already easier than translate another language, where many words can carry many different meanings depending on context.  (eg.  english  "band" aid, rubber "band", "band" sound)

Regarding "take God seriously", well, there's nothing wrong in itself.  In fact, in the world, many things can turn to be bad when we take it the wrong way.  Like...  I can "take driving a car seriously", but I take it the wrong way and it may turn into a weapon that hurts people.  

The same passage tells us to be fair and just to our neighbors, and to be compassionate and loyal in our love.  Don't take yourself too seriously (ie. too self-centered).. etc

Again, I echo you.. that god/religion can be used as a tool by people for their own desires (eg.  taking themselves too seriously), it is indeed sad.  On the flip side though, we are also encouraged that there are people who really would love and give because of their faith in God too.  When I think about stories of missionaries helping set up schools, medical facilities, some christian non-profit organizations etc.  

I agree with chunsh totally about "I think the God should come and being a judge to tell which groups of people are correct (assume that bible contains all of his words, no more and no less)"  because when I think about it again, he did come already.

chobit

Interesting .. no one is debating anymore.. I guess people are doing some thinking then..!