返回列表 發帖
你有無睇到田二少之前做果場show㗎?對赤貧嘅人來講,有得派$10k簡直係天文數字啦~籠屋月租千幾蚊,淨係用來住已經可以唔需要擔心成年嘅床租。咁樣算唔算係解決一個好大嘅問題呀,契弟?

政黨去追政府做野,你以為無咩?最低工資講咗咁多年,到今時今日個衰政府都淨係肯推$28一個鐘,而且仲要係俾各界鏟爆先至有。本來有啲同你一樣嘅賤種只係話$20個鐘,而政府係傾向$24個鐘㗎咋!你咪撚扮傻仔、詐唔知先得㗎?

Program你以為無搞咩?政府推個副學士出來,但有係亂七八糟,啲學位連自己政府部門都唔承認佢嘅學術資格。學生就俾你呃咗搞到周身債喇,但又有用咩?最有名嘅再培育計劃就淨係得家務助理同看更,幫屁到人呀?

我枉你仲夠膽講easing their burdens on housing, transportation。你個仆街政府儲備就多多,但政策就照樣無敵偏袒大地產商。公屋又唔肯起、地鐵、巴士、電力公司年年賺錢就年年加價,但又偏偏唔阻止。過海隧道亦一樣,不斷迫害廣大市民。你係咁多錢就收購返啲巴士公司同過海隧道啦~人地琛圳都買起咗條原本係私人嘅隧道來為民解困,等市民唔使捱貴隧道費喇~你香港政府食屎啦~

最能夠有效地幫助香港所有階層嘅就係全面實行雙普選同廢除功能組別。咁樣做嘅話,官員同特首都要對市民負責,如果唔係就只能夠俾人叮走。偏偏阿爺同保皇黨就唔肯,所以啲廢柴垃圾官先至能夠完全無能,卻依然保住頭上嘅烏紗!毓民咁耐以來一直都係做緊呢啲野,你講到自己咁撚偉大,我又唔見你有半分支持?

講就凶狠,做你就碌撚!一日淨係識得保皇、為特衰政府護短同舔阿爺屎眼!去食屎啦你!

-力

TOP

回復  Lik

Lik, can you tell me how much the HKD 10,000 can change the situation of the poor? If th ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-23 15:09

Oh, and I should add that once again, you have avoided the questions I was asking you in post #9. Here they are again:
Given HK's already low tax rate, how would further lowering taxes or increasing tax exemption help the poor? The poor already doesn't have to pay any income taxes. When they are already paying nothing, how does giving them higher exemption amounts help? How?

I also see you purposely avoiding the topic of the SAR government putting money into 強積金. Please enlighten me with your infinite economics knowledge on who that move is helpful to the HK general public. It is a well-known and undisputed fact that management fees for 強積金 is way high, and that most people have lost money on the "investment". Now, let me ask you this -- who makes money on having higher 強積金 amounts? The investment firms, or regular Joe? Why is the SAR government willing to transfer this benefit to investment firms, but not to the citizens of HK? Why? A lot of people could make good use of this $6k right now, not wait until they are 65. When they can't even survive at this moment, what good does that $6k when the government tells them they'll get it at 65? They might not even make it there.

如果咁樣都唔係涼薄、唔係漠視窮人,咁點先算係呢?


Don't think I didn't notice.


-Lik

TOP

你有無睇到田二少之前做果場show㗎?對赤貧嘅人來講,有得派$10k簡直係天文數字啦~籠屋月租千幾蚊,淨係 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-23 16:03


幫人給籠屋租金就是你的幫人目標? 這就是解決問題的根源?真膚淺。幸行香港不是被你們這幫人掌權。

Don’t try to shift the focus to political issues, just stick to this topic. Do you dare to point out which point of what I said is not correct or reasonable? I wait for you Lik if you have the gut to do so.

TOP

When most of families can only find a low-pay job due to the limitation of their work skills. The problem of poverty will not be improved and it can get worse. $10,000 will not help them get out of the situation.
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-23 15:09

And, I should add that at this point, it is pointless for you to even ask how these people could be helped out of poverty because they've reached a point of barely being able to survive. At this point, their situations have deteriorated to the point where you need to save them from dying first. After that you look for ways to get them out of poverty.

It's no different than how a gravely sick person is in need of immediate medical attention to keep him from dying. He doesn't need any advice on how to live a healthy lifestyle right now, but that is precisely what you are preaching.

Idiot~

-Lik

TOP

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-2-23 16:36 編輯
幫人給籠屋租金就是你的幫人目標? 這就是解決問題的根源?真膚淺。幸行香港不是被你們這幫人掌權。

Don ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-23 16:17

As expected, no answer from you at all.

Watch/Read this piece as well la:



是旦台係官台,所以都已經就住來 diu,但係咪又一樣勁插你個預算案?簡直係一pat不知所謂嘅臭屎。仲要講埋啲咩「政府有錢就等於市民有錢」...

TOP

抗通脹乏力基層叫苦 全城喊打曾俊華

政府庫房嚴重「水浸」,上年度財政盈餘遠超預期高達 713億元,累積儲備更近 6,000億元,但財政司司長曾俊華發表下年度預算案時提出的紓困措施卻全不到位:基層市民叫苦連天,不滿重彈舊調的措施未能協助抗通脹,中產納稅一族更怒火中燒,炮轟政府坐擁豐厚盈餘卻拒絕直接退稅,政黨及學者指斥曾俊華抱着「看守政府」心態,炮製如此保守預算案只是「與民為敵,全城喊打」。


「長毛」梁國雄昨日向財政司司長曾俊華(左)掟苦瓜,諷刺預算案未能紓解民困。立法會保安人員伸手擋着苦瓜。

曾俊華任內第四份、即明年中任期完結前「尾二」一份預算案以抗通脹為主調,他宣讀預算案之初便強調,下年度由內部衍生抑或外來輸入的通脹壓力都會增加,應對通脹是政府重要工作,因此提出多項一次性紓困措施,協助基層市民抗通脹。不過,大部份措施卻已在去年預算案提出,包括代繳兩個月公屋租金、寬免差餉以及提供電費補貼等;注資一億元到食物銀行及提高醫療券金額至 500元亦非新猷。

中產:我會第一個上街

這份特首曾蔭權口中「深思熟慮和回應社會需要」的預算案,卻被基層組織炮轟內裏舊招數未能協助市民應對新來臨的通脹問題,社區組織協會主任何喜華直斥預算案「扶貧乏力,花費無度」,指摘坐擁龐大盈餘的政府卻對基層支援「杯水車薪」,預告民怨隨時「爆炸」。

預算案未獲基層歡心,更惹起中產納稅族怒吼,因為預算案雖然提高供養子女及父母免稅額 20%,並動用 240億元,不設入息上限地向強積金戶口注資 6,000元,卻未有提出中產最希望得到的退稅措施。

由於政府本年度盈餘高達 713億,遠高於去年預計的 252億赤字,中產難免對政府做守財奴而拒令中產受惠怨氣咗天,曾俊華昨天在記者會多次被問及為何拒絕退稅,但他僅重申政府推出的措施全面並有針對性,衡量了個別措施的影響,尤其不可刺激通脹,並辯稱過往預算案曾經提出,也不代表每一次都要退稅。

政府拒絕退稅辣㷫中產,中產人士紛紛在討論區留言狂插曾俊華,有網民怒斥「中產俾人踩到上心口,稅就一定要交,福利就一定冇!」另有人聲言「有遊行我第一個上街呀,唔發火當我哋係水魚病貓!」科技大學經濟系主任雷鼎鳴加入聲討行列,反駁政府怕退稅會觸發通脹是「講唔通,無證據,求其噏」,力撐納稅人希望政府「回水」是合理要求。

立法會各大政黨毫不留情批評預算案,民建聯及工聯會不滿預算案協助基層及中產不足,自由黨主席劉健儀不滿「好多措施都係蜻蜓點水式應酬大家。」泛民主派也不收貨,民主黨主席何俊仁矛頭直指曾俊華:「佢有龐大盈餘但只做小修小補,明顯係半退休心態,看守政府所為。」公民黨黨魁梁家傑也諷指「估唔到特區咁快變成看守政府」。

「政府有錢等於市民有錢」社民連狠批曾俊華「做一日和尚敲一日鐘」;職工盟李卓人更指昨天收到來自基層以至中產人士來電,各自控訴未能受惠於預算案,批評當局「與民為敵」,「官更富,民更窮,難免會全城喊打」。理大社會政策研究中心主任鍾劍華形容今次是回歸以來最令人失望的預算案,批評政府坐擁巨額盈餘卻仍只採取過去的紓困方式,完全是看守政府作為。

受到全城圍攻的曾俊華昨天在記者會被問及是否一如政黨所言,抱着「 Hea住做」的看守政府心態時,以一句「如果係咁嘅話,我從來未見過一個咁進取嘅看守政府」嚴厲反駁,並否認是「孤寒財主」,更強辯稱:「其實政府嘅錢亦係大家嘅錢;如果政府有錢嘅話,當然亦等於市民有錢,如果市民有錢亦等於整個政府都係有錢。」

港大民調 評分創新低財爺的初步民意成績表亦引證政黨、學者的說法。 Now新聞台委託香港大學民意研究計劃進行的民意調查顯示,曾俊華這份預算案評分是上任以來最低,只有 51.5分,較去年的 60.8下跌近 9分,其民望也應聲大跌,只有 52.4分,較 2月份調查大跌 3分。

市民一肚氣

《中產失望》
陳小姐:「本身都係中產,覺得退稅係好過派錢,派錢係一次性,退稅就以個人需要同比例退,係公平嘅。冇得退我好失望。」

《偏離現實》
李先生:「預算案同現實脫節,肯定好多人嘈。你儲咁多錢嚟『打仗』冇用 o架,假如十年都唔打,咪儲到個山越嚟越高囉!」

《只顧徵稅》
潘先生:「個預算案就係離譜囉,淨係識收(稅),唔識用。家通脹咁犀利,班基層係捱得好辛苦 o架嘛!」

TOP

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-23 16:38 編輯
Oh, and I should add that once again, you have avoided the questions I was asking you in post #9. H ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-23 16:16


Lik, since you don't have the ability to understand what I said, I say it again in a different way so that you an idiot can understand (hopefully).

This is my direct answer to you question -  “The poor already doesn't have to pay any income taxes. When they are already paying nothing, how does giving them higher exemption amounts help? How?”

First, increasing tax exemption amount can give a break to people who work and encourage the supply of labour force. That will be a plus to the economy.

Second, why some people are living under the poverty line? Isn’t it because they cannot find a better job due to their lack of competitive strengths in the labour market and lack of opportunities for them in the economy? What the government can do is to help them to improve their work skills and create more opportunities for them. The increase tax exemption might not have a direct benefit to them, giving out money is not the way to help them be more competitive in the labour market either.

Third, the government should have a systematic plan to use the surplus to easy their financial burdens (i.e. housing, transportation, education and health, etc). How would you know how those families will spend their cash bonus? They can easily spend the money on a nice meal, vocation, cloth or anything else. How would that help them change the situation they are in?

The government has certainly not done its part and neither the political parties. This is my position.  

Brainless idiot, have I made myself clear enough?

TOP

財政預算案, 無論搞成點, 都會有人唔like 架喇.

小弟覺得:
1) 公屋免租兩個月 - 幾好丫
2) 綜緩 & 生果金+1個月 - 幾好丫
3) 免差餉 - 幾好丫
4) 補貼電費 - 幾好丫
5) 供養父母&子女免稅額 - 幾好丫

其實有好多人, 真係身在福中不知福. 有d 所謂中產, 成日話自己交最多稅, 但受惠最少. 大佬, 好人好者仲乜要人接濟, 同埋施比受係更有福呀.

我希望可以幫多d 基層市民就好, 中產其實自己應該可以照顧到自己, 駛乜鬼理咁多wor.

-- 中產MJJ
祝大家永遠快樂! ^^

TOP

Lik, since you don't have the ability to understand what I said, I say it again in a different way ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-23 16:36

你條撚樣做埋咁多陰質事,睇吓你幾時血管閉塞、心臟病發、就來死得嘅時候,然後我叫醫生唔使做急救,只係同你講耶穌、教你點樣先至叫做 healthy lifestyle 咁就得啦?呢個咪就係你所講嘅唔使派錢,乜Q野都唔做嘅方案囉!

同埋唔好唔記得,呢個守財、守舊、看守政府坐擁住巨大儲備,但連少少錢都唔肯使落香港人身上!

-力

TOP

Many people like to bark anyways.
If the government gives out money, these exact people will say government is stupid, only use money to buy support and ignore about inflation problem caused by these actions.

No matter what the government do,  these people will bark.
This 財政預算案 might not be the best, it's far from the worst.
sunsiupak @ on.cc: Apple, 只要Show個Logo,屎都有人排隊買。

TOP

返回列表