Lik

ii) So if you don't know what's up ahead for certain, are you just gonna sit down and do nothing? If that is your mentality, you're always gonna be sitting on your butt instead of doing anything about the situation to change it.

iii) Right -- so 劉曉波 is a radical. I guess radicals are those that win Nobel Peace Prizes, eh? Are you even aware of what 劉曉波 has done? Do you have the slightest clue about what the 08 Charter says? Everything in there are entirely consistent with what the Chinese constitution preaches!

v) I am well aware that I am not very wise at all, but suffice to say, given what I've read from your postings...

-Lik

peter236

ii) So if you don't know what's up ahead for certain, are you just gonna sit down and do nothing? If ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-26 00:30

The Nobel Peace Prize is just a political tool.

The 2008 Charter wanted to set up a Chinese federal system, which means splitting up China into pieces. This is crap since China was united centuries ago, and is different from the so-called federal system in the US. The writer was probably heavily influenced by the failing system of the US, which is not suitable for other countries. By calling for a federal system in China means splitting up China for the western powers to cut up China.

Lik

The Nobel Peace Prize is just a political tool.

The 2008 Charter wanted to set up a Chinese feder ...
peter236 發表於 2010-10-26 01:10

LOL~ So the Nobel Prize is a political tool, eh? If you have any shame at all, why don't you look back to how high profile things were when Dr. 高坤 won the Nobel Prize last year? Also, should another Chinese (esp a local Mainland Chinese) ever win a Nobel Prize, think about how high profile the CCP would publicize that. Nobel Prizes are not political tools. It's only political because of the shameful acts and atrocities that the CCP has committed themselves in the first place.

And why would a federal system destroy China? Both Canada and the US have federal government. Do you see these countries falling apart? To spew nonsense like that is just so typical of the Grandfather supporters.

-Lik

Lik

If one truly loves China, one should always share its past experiences with CCP on how to become a democracy; instead of just plain accusations on everything CCP's way is not complying with western standard. I bet CCP leaders know the problems they are facing too well; however, they don't have experience and don't know how to handle them properly. Consequently, they take conservative steps to move ahead.

Lastly, as I always say, as a Chinese living in foreign countries, we should give the underdog (CCP) more encouragements and applause if they do the right things, no matter how tiny those are, while enjoying  the so-called freedom we have now in Canada.fy789 發表於 2010-10-26 08:41

Sharing their own experience and telling Grandfather what is right has always been done by Chinese in China and abroad. But does the stupid/stubborn Grandfather listen? For those that are in China, they get jailed or what not (again, Liu Xiaobo is the prime example, and his approach is already extremely mild). For those they are abroad, Grandfather doesn't bother to listen. Or they make up excuses saying how the Mainland is different. How they need a whatever it was with 中國特色. Heck, I don't remember which Great Leader it was, but he literally says that China needs to have its own style of democracy, something to the effects of 中國共產黨領導嘅民主體制. What kind of crap is that? Democracy, by definition, is not led by any any party in particular.

This is no different that the CCP's continual insistence on how they will proceed on their Chinese style socialism agenda. Everybody knows what China is practicing right now is the most extreme form of capitalism. And yet they still have the guts to claim it as a "Chinese style socialism".

If there is no criticism, there is no incentive for change. We are not dealing with little kids here. The leaders in government are all fully functional adults.

-Lik

Lik

Last but not least, you forgot we're dealing with Grandfather here. 如果你真係咁天真、咁傻到仲以為當你敬阿爺一尺嘅時候佢會回敬返你一丈，咁你就真係低能到暈。因為老共就算只係見到你敬佢果一吋嘅話，佢都會立即先進咗果一吋，然後再 demand要進多三丈。呢個就係共產黨 negotiate 嘅一貫手段。如果你連呢少少咁簡單嘅現實都睇唔到嘅話，咁你最後只會俾阿爺成個吞落肚，連渣都無淨。

-力

Lik

Just since when did I say I'd use brutality against brutality? And in particular, when did I ever say we need to kill any CCP members? All I said is, you need to know who you are dealing with here, and you need to be firm against them. These can all be done by remaining peaceful, rational, and non-violent.

But then I shouldn't be surprised when you start your usual 扣帽子 tricks again. That's the sure sign when somebody has no rational rebuttal to an argument.

-Lik