中國大陸：20多城市紛興建 全國地鐵多虧損 大城市, 北京, 上海, 香港, 南京

Lik

http://news.mingpao.com/20110105/cab2.htm

20多城市紛興建 全國地鐵多虧損

【明報專訊】除高鐵外，內地城市也出現「地鐵大躍進」。除仍在擴建的北京、上海、天津、廣州、深圳、南京地鐵外，還有20多個城市正在興建地鐵，但調查顯示，全國地鐵幾乎都處於虧損狀態。有學者認為，香港地鐵盈利模式難以在內地複製。

營運不善 納稅人埋單

目前正在興建地鐵的城市還有瀋陽、青島、杭州、無錫、成都、昆明等。中央人民廣播電台稱，除大城市外，一些中型城市也紛紛申建地鐵，但報道引述一項調查顯示，除上海地鐵1號線在開通9年後才實現真正盈利外，其他地鐵都處於虧損狀態。

對於內地的「地鐵大躍進」，中國人民大學教授張鳴認為，如果地鐵建成後客流量不大或營運不善，最終埋單的還是納稅人。但中國工程院院士王夢恕則認為，修建地鐵確能夠緩解日益嚴重的城市交通堵塞問題。

港鐵模式難複製

內地時政評論員江德斌指出，香港地鐵是依靠沿線物業開創出「地鐵+房地產」的模式，而且香港人多地窄、市民收入高、地鐵客量穩定，票價亦是亞洲之最，這些是香港地鐵成功的因素，內地具備的城市非常之少。

peter236

Very good wor, the Chinese cities have 600 million people, hundreds of million of people will be moving into the cities. This is very good public infrastructure to promote economy and trade. This is much better than each person driving a car.

Lik

Yeah, it's all very good ar mah:

但調查顯示，全國地鐵幾乎都處於虧損狀態

Moron...

-Lik

peter236

Yeah, it's all very good ar mah:



Moron...

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2011-1-4 13:43

The intention of investing in the subway is not about making money, but to provide a public service to the general public. Besides, the cost of building the subway system will be amortized over decades. The growth in economic activity along subway lines will reap in great benefits for the society.

peter236

The reduction in pollution and increase in convenience far out strip the initial cost.

Lik

唔搞工程，大陸啲官又點搵油水呢？同你講公眾利益？徙氣啦～

-力

peter236

唔搞工程，大陸啲官又點搵油水呢？同你講公眾利益？徙氣啦～

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-1-4 15:37

The fact is that hundreds of millions of people in China use public transportation every day.

Ovaltine

I agree with peter this time, subway is an important infrastructure to lower the ecological footprint. The use of non-petroleum fueled car stock is benefits to the economy and the environment. We should not worry about the financial losses from the PRC government, as this green investment will turn gold when the world is coming down from peak oil.  Actually I was in Oregon couple days ago, USA Today had an article about the West Kowloon station constructed by the MTR. US government wants to build lots of subway so they don't continually get addicted by oil, but due to financial problems and property right issues, they just can't get their act together.

Lik

我並唔反對基建，更大力贊同環保。由期是係中國大陸裡面嘅地鐵，收費非常低，對低下階層來講絕對係德政。

但不爭嘅事實係：

1）響國內唔搞工程，啲官又點搵油水呢？
2）如果大型基建係長期蝕本，又或者要好世耐先能夠收資平衡，咁係咪即係有問題呢（特別係預算同營運方面）？而有問題嘅話，係咪應該要解決呢？但唔解決呢啲問題不特只，你仲要繼續不斷咁搞大個問題，咁當中嘅道理又何在呢？咁都唔算反智嘅話，我都唔知仲有乜野好講。

還望高人指點。

-力

mcjohnjohn

1）響國內唔搞工程，啲官又點搵油水呢？
2）如果大型基建係長期蝕本，又或者要好世耐先能夠收資平衡，咁係咪即係有問題呢（特別係預算同營運方面）？而有問題嘅話，係咪應該要解決呢？但唔解決呢啲問題不特只，你仲要繼續不斷咁搞大個問題，咁當中嘅道理又何在呢？咁都唔算反智嘅話，我都唔知仲有乜野好講。
Lik 發表於 2011-1-5 08:33

1) 這完全是陰謀論
2) 人地大陸有錢, 大家最多都係羨慕下好喇, 唔好妒忌.

其實大陸咁有錢, 係唔係應該分d 錢比d 窮人, 話哂都係共產主意丫麻~ 呢個咁既唔派錢共產主意算唔算係名存實亡?