rockypath

I believe most of people on LYK  know that China used to be the greatest nation in the world economically, technologically and politically.

Why the western world was able to not just catch up China but surpass China? It is because of its advance in sciences and technologies which drive the improvement of 社會生産力. The consequence of that is the change of social structure and power balance, and that drives political changes and reforms, and as well as the born of Democracy we are talking today. (of course, China's internal problems also had contributed to its fall behind the western world.)

It is just ignorant for people talk about Democracy and do not know how Democracy was born.

Lik

LOL~ Blowing gazillions' worth of dollars only to make several million back from the aerospace program? I'd love to see you going into business, Peter boy~

It is quite true that China used to be the greatest nation in the world in terms of economy (back in Tong, Hon, Qing dynasties for certain periods), in terms of absolute political power / influence (Yuen and arguably the Qing dynasty), and in terms of cultural influence (during Sung dynasty). However, technological leadership have long been surpassed since the Renaissance era, and while the absolute political power has been strong as late as the Qing dynasty, political systems and ideals have pretty much stayed in the stone ages.

It is a blatant lie that China's downfall was due to science, technology, and GDP. Rather, the core of the problem has always been the Chinese' stupid monarchy and absolute power system -- have a good emperor such as Hong Hey and the country flourishes. Once the great leader dies, the country is totally fxxked up. Whereas with Western countries (and Britain/the UK in particular), their parliamentary system guarantees that no leader will ever be that crappy -- if they were utterly incapable, voters wouldn't voted them into Parliament in the first place. Furthermore, the persistent view of the Emperor that the country is under his personal ownership and hence all peasants must be kept obedient is also a major contributing factor to the slave-like thinking that we see even today.

Politics and economy are invariably intertwined, but don't get the cause and effects mixed up. In any case, do you dare to say that today's China lacks the economic power of the 1700-era Britain?

Funny how idiots pretend they know stuff when they don't~

-Lik

rockypath

Funny how idiots pretend they know stuff when they don't~
Lik 發表於 2009-6-9 23:15

First, I didn’t say China’s downfall is due to science and technologies. Please check what I said again.

Second, of course political changes and economic changes would be intertwined and influent each other. If you can do a better job of summarizing such a complex topic in a few sentences, please show us.  

Third, do you mind to tell us how the western political systems today was born and developed, and as well as the Democracy?

chobit

We wouldn't have Bush if what you said is true =(  It's just another game they play....


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their parliamentary system guarantees that no leader will ever be that crappy -- if they were utterly incapable, voters wouldn't voted them into Parliament in the first place.

快樂牛郎

What worked in the past may not work again in the future. What seems to be bad could turn out to be benign. It's very difficult to see beyond a few centimeters.

peter236

LOL~ Blowing gazillions' worth of dollars only to make several million back from the aerospace program? I'd love to see you going into business, Peter boy~

It is quite true that China used to be the  ...
Lik 發表於 2009-6-9 23:15

You moron, aerospace program is profitable and is necessary for a country's scientific research. I gave you some examples of applications e.g GPS, communications, weather, natural resources, military etc.

You fuking retard, why do you still pretend not to understand that the aerospace program is very important? Who is going to make and launch satellites for China for free?
China is capable of launching satellites for other countries, thereby making a lot of money. China is setting up its own GPS system, there is no need to rely on the US satellites.
Environmental satellites are capable of finding new natural resources, and communications satellites are used in TV broadcasting.

Communications satellite is very important in business and commerce. We are talking about billions of dollars. You can't even watch some TV programs without satellite broadcasting.

How is China going to forecast the weather without weather satellite? Use American satellite?

mcjohnjohn

LOL~ Blowing gazillions' worth of dollars only to make several million back from the aerospace program? I'd love to see you going into business, Peter boy~

It is quite true that China used to be the  ...
Lik 發表於 2009-6-10 14:15

小弟覺得, 中國射d 太空人上太空既主要目的, 係要比班美國佬知道如果要打杖既話, 中國未必會輸比佢.

peter236

小弟覺得, 中國射d 太空人上太空既主要目的, 係要比班美國佬知道如果要打杖既話, 中國未必會輸比佢.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-6-9 23:47

He is not going to understand the importance of launching communication satellites, even though he uses them indirectly everyday.

mcjohnjohn

中國有民選政府既話絕對係一件好事.

不過, 小弟覺得而家既中國真係唔係咁適合有民選政府, 因為而家既中國, 人文水平仲係好低, 低到令好多人都覺得佢地根本唔care 有冇民選政府.

比多廿年中共啦! 比佢地搞好d 中國內政, 令中國人民既人文水平提高d 先啦~
小弟真係唔敢想像, 如果呢一刻中國既政制變成美國(或者其他已發展國家)既樣, 中國內部會有幾咁混亂.

mcjohnjohn

He is not going to understand the importance of launching communication satellites, even though he uses them indirectly everyday.
peter236 發表於 2009-6-10 14:53

講開又講, 如果剩係射通訊衛星, 比人地射好過啦! 駛乜用咁多錢去研究woh.
擺明而家中國係想全世界都知, 我有能力做呢樣野, 我唔駛靠你地都做得到! 呢個絕對係中國既軍事本錢.

而家唔係講值唔值得用咁多錢去證明自己既能力, 而係要話比人地聽, 我地唔比你落後, 爭大佬我都未必會輸. (好似黑社會哂馬咁樣)